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Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
Should individuals that cause intentional self-inflicted harm to themselves get expensive life saving care if needed, talking about people that attempt suicide, drug addict overdoses, etc.?

My thought, if the goal of Obamacare is to "reduce" costs by rationing healthcare to those who benefit the most from the cost of the treatment, no one that intentionally harms them self should get expensive life saving treatment. Remember the measure used in Obamacare is length and quality of life after receiving treatment. Drug Addicted, Suicidal and other high risk behavior individuals are not likely to have predictive indicators that show likely high quality of life. Money saved. 03-2thumbsup
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07-26-2009 07:14 AM
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 07:14 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Should individuals that cause intentional self-inflicted harm to themselves get expensive life saving care if needed, talking about people that attempt suicide, drug addict overdoses, etc.?

My thought, if the goal of Obamacare is to "reduce" costs by rationing healthcare to those who benefit the most from the cost of the treatment, no one that intentionally harms them self should get expensive life saving treatment. Remember the measure used in Obamacare is length and quality of life after receiving treatment. Drug Addicted, Suicidal and other high risk behavior individuals are not likely to have predictive indicators that show likely high quality of life. Money saved. 03-2thumbsup

Yeah, but they tend to vote democrat. Money not saved.
07-26-2009 08:18 AM
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In the nanny state, the young, stupid, suicidal, those with risky sexual behavior, extreme sports participants, reckless drivers or get too many tickets, People driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, if you eat at fast food restaurants, will just be charged more for their insurance, whereas the old and the unborn babies of white people will just be Medically Terminated.
07-26-2009 09:38 AM
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
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SURE !!!!!!

I think that since Robert keeps Dropping Himself On the Head all the time, he should get the very best health care available.

We need his kind of Retard after all.

"RETARDS" like Robs are in the Obama-Care Bill on page 1277 I believe.

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07-26-2009 01:13 PM
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 07:14 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Should individuals that cause intentional self-inflicted harm to themselves get expensive life saving care if needed, talking about people that attempt suicide, drug addict overdoses, etc.?

My thought, if the goal of Obamacare is to "reduce" costs by rationing healthcare to those who benefit the most from the cost of the treatment, no one that intentionally harms them self should get expensive life saving treatment. Remember the measure used in Obamacare is length and quality of life after receiving treatment. Drug Addicted, Suicidal and other high risk behavior individuals are not likely to have predictive indicators that show likely high quality of life. Money saved. 03-2thumbsup
You should have just written "gays" since that is what you meant.
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 09:38 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In the nanny state, the young, stupid, suicidal, those with risky sexual behavior, extreme sports participants, reckless drivers or get too many tickets, People driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, if you eat at fast food restaurants, will just be charged more for their insurance, whereas the old and the unborn babies of white people will just be Medically Terminated.
So you have no problems with your NASCAR heroes paying more for insurance? Too bad you weren't medically terminated. THis world would be a much better place.
07-26-2009 01:36 PM
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 01:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:38 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In the nanny state, the young, stupid, suicidal, those with risky sexual behavior, extreme sports participants, reckless drivers or get too many tickets, People driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, if you eat at fast food restaurants, will just be charged more for their insurance, whereas the old and the unborn babies of white people will just be Medically Terminated.
So you have no problems with your NASCAR heroes paying more for insurance? Too bad you weren't medically terminated. THis world would be a much better place.

You are assuming alot. Hey look what I just found? To which one do you reside?

http://www.mobilehomeparkstore.com/direc...inois1.htm

Geeze, look at all of em' in Carbondale!!!! WooHoo, getchu some Robbie!!!
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 01:33 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 07:14 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Should individuals that cause intentional self-inflicted harm to themselves get expensive life saving care if needed, talking about people that attempt suicide, drug addict overdoses, etc.?

My thought, if the goal of Obamacare is to "reduce" costs by rationing healthcare to those who benefit the most from the cost of the treatment, no one that intentionally harms them self should get expensive life saving treatment. Remember the measure used in Obamacare is length and quality of life after receiving treatment. Drug Addicted, Suicidal and other high risk behavior individuals are not likely to have predictive indicators that show likely high quality of life. Money saved. 03-2thumbsup
You should have just written "gays" since that is what you meant.

We all know that's not in the house version...

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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 01:49 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:38 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In the nanny state, the young, stupid, suicidal, those with risky sexual behavior, extreme sports participants, reckless drivers or get too many tickets, People driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, if you eat at fast food restaurants, will just be charged more for their insurance, whereas the old and the unborn babies of white people will just be Medically Terminated.
So you have no problems with your NASCAR heroes paying more for insurance? Too bad you weren't medically terminated. THis world would be a much better place.

You are assuming alot. Hey look what I just found? To which one do you reside?

http://www.mobilehomeparkstore.com/direc...inois1.htm

Geeze, look at all of em' in Carbondale!!!! WooHoo, getchu some Robbie!!!
Do you have any clue as to where Carbondale is? It is in SOUTHERN Illinois. It has more in common with rednecks of the south than us yankees up north.
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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 03:14 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:49 PM)zeebart21 Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:36 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 09:38 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  In the nanny state, the young, stupid, suicidal, those with risky sexual behavior, extreme sports participants, reckless drivers or get too many tickets, People driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs, if you eat at fast food restaurants, will just be charged more for their insurance, whereas the old and the unborn babies of white people will just be Medically Terminated.
So you have no problems with your NASCAR heroes paying more for insurance? Too bad you weren't medically terminated. THis world would be a much better place.

You are assuming alot. Hey look what I just found? To which one do you reside?

http://www.mobilehomeparkstore.com/direc...inois1.htm

Geeze, look at all of em' in Carbondale!!!! WooHoo, getchu some Robbie!!!
Do you have any clue as to where Carbondale is? It is in SOUTHERN Illinois. It has more in common with rednecks of the south than us yankees up north.

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RE: Obamacare Question of the day 07/26
(07-26-2009 01:33 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 07:14 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Should individuals that cause intentional self-inflicted harm to themselves get expensive life saving care if needed, talking about people that attempt suicide, drug addict overdoses, etc.?

My thought, if the goal of Obamacare is to "reduce" costs by rationing healthcare to those who benefit the most from the cost of the treatment, no one that intentionally harms them self should get expensive life saving treatment. Remember the measure used in Obamacare is length and quality of life after receiving treatment. Drug Addicted, Suicidal and other high risk behavior individuals are not likely to have predictive indicators that show likely high quality of life. Money saved. 03-2thumbsup
You should have just written "gays" since that is what you meant.

OK, I'll say it. If one guy gives another guy a hot beef injection and the result is AIDS, would/should Obama's plan cover medical coverage for what may cost the insurer tens of millions over the course of his life?
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hot beef injection 03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao03-lmfao

Roberta listen up
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(07-26-2009 09:26 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 01:33 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-26-2009 07:14 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Should individuals that cause intentional self-inflicted harm to themselves get expensive life saving care if needed, talking about people that attempt suicide, drug addict overdoses, etc.?

My thought, if the goal of Obamacare is to "reduce" costs by rationing healthcare to those who benefit the most from the cost of the treatment, no one that intentionally harms them self should get expensive life saving treatment. Remember the measure used in Obamacare is length and quality of life after receiving treatment. Drug Addicted, Suicidal and other high risk behavior individuals are not likely to have predictive indicators that show likely high quality of life. Money saved. 03-2thumbsup
You should have just written "gays" since that is what you meant.

OK, I'll say it. If one guy gives another guy a hot beef injection and the result is AIDS, would/should Obama's plan cover medical coverage for what may cost the insurer tens of millions over the course of his life?
Is this a question based on your personal experience? 05-stirthepot
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At least two of President Obama's top health advisers should never be trusted with the power that they will have to make YOUR medical decisions if the Health Care bill is passed. Start with Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Emanuel bluntly admits that the cuts will not be pain-free. "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change," he wrote last year (Health Affairs Feb. 27, 2008). Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients. Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else. Emanuel believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination." Dr. David Blumenthal, another key Obama adviser, agrees. Obama appointed Blumenthal as national coordinator of health-information technology, a job that involves making sure doctors obey electronically delivered guidelines about what care the government deems appropriate and cost effective. In the April 9 New England Journal of Medicine, Blumenthal predicted that many doctors would resist "embedded clinical decision support" -- a euphemism for computers telling doctors what to do. Americans need to know what the president's health advisers have in mind for them. Emanuel sees even basic amenities as luxuries and says Americans expect too much: "Hospital rooms in the United States offer more privacy . . . physicians' offices are typically more conveniently located and have parking nearby and more attractive waiting rooms" (JAMA, June 18, 2008). http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242009/pos...180941.htm

Savings, he writes, will require changing how doctors think about their patients: Doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously, "as an imperative to do everything for the patient regardless of the cost or effects on others" (Journal of the American Medical Association, June 18, 2008).

Yes, that's what patients want their doctors to do. But Emanuel wants doctors to look beyond the needs of their patients and consider social justice, such as whether the money could be better spent on somebody else.

Many doctors are horrified by this notion; they'll tell you that a doctor's job is to achieve social justice one patient at a time.

Emanuel, however, believes that "communitarianism" should guide decisions on who gets care. He says medical care should be reserved for the non-disabled, not given to those "who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens . . . An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia" (Hastings Center Report, Nov.-Dec. '96).

Translation: Don't give much care to a grandmother with Parkinson's or a child with cerebral palsy.

He explicitly defends discrimination against older patients: "Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25-year-olds receive priority over 65-year-olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years" (Lancet, Jan. 31).
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