(07-23-2009 11:39 PM)Flames24Rulz Wrote:  Yeah, the hit in the Wood game should have been called an error. It was a tough play for Gutierrez to make, but he hardly got off the ground at all and the ball just glanced off his glove. The scorekeeper saved an error from Gutierrez but cost Wood a no-no.

They're both equally impressive. What Buehrle has done in his two games against Texas and now today against Tampa is really remarkable. The only pitcher to ever have two 27 up, 27 down no-hitters. Amazing.

Buehrle also has a 1-hitter in which he only faced 27 guys. After the single, somebody later in the inning grounded into a double play.

(07-24-2009 12:48 AM)armour248 Wrote:  i dont remember the game (since i was 13 or 14 years old, and i know a lot of the ppl talking it up on here were younger than that), but why would the home team scorer give the Astro player a hit if it was even marginally close and there was a no-no on the line?

And even if that play was in the first inning, the scorer will almost always give the benefit to the home pitcher unless it is pretty obvious...

If it was a play that occurred after the 3rd inning I'm sure the official scorer would've given Orie an error. It was a two-hopper between 3rd and short. A play that most 3rd baseman would make but also one where you're not going to give an error to in the earlier innings. But if it occurred after the 7th, it definitely would've been considered an error.

(07-23-2009 11:39 PM)Flames24Rulz Wrote:  Yeah, the hit in the Wood game should have been called an error. It was a tough play for Gutierrez to make, but he hardly got off the ground at all and the ball just glanced off his glove. The scorekeeper saved an error from Gutierrez but cost Wood a no-no.

They're both equally impressive. What Buehrle has done in his two games against Texas and now today against Tampa is really remarkable. The only pitcher to ever have two 27 up, 27 down no-hitters. Amazing.

It was Kevin Orie at 3rd, Gutierrez was the hitter.

(07-23-2009 06:35 PM)epasnoopy Wrote:  I was at the game with some friends. None of us even wanted to say that he had a perfect game going because we didn't want to jinx it. It was awesome.

I hate to tell you this, but you don't have this much power. And to believe this would be ridiculous.

I heard yesterday that he had the same ump for both his no-hitters-pretty weird. And he was the only player in history to pitch 2 no-hitters to the minimum 27 batters. He also had a 2-hitter that was the minimum 27 batters. He is good.

(07-24-2009 11:44 AM)NIU17 Wrote:  I heard yesterday that he had the same ump for both his no-hitters-pretty weird. And he was the only player in history to pitch 2 no-hitters to the minimum 27 batters. He also had a 2-hitter that was the minimum 27 batters. He is good.

without a doubt one of the most underrated players in baseball over the past 5+ years

(07-23-2009 10:44 PM)7 Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 08:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 08:38 PM)7 Wrote:  I'd honestly take Wood's game and I am more of a Sox fan than Cubs fan.

Wood's might be more flashy , but Buehrle's is the better pitched game, thus why its called a perfect game :)

The only baserunner Wood gave up was an infield hit that could have easily been an error, Wise robbed the guy of a homer. Just because Buehrle had better defense behind him doesn't mean he pitched the better game.

Wood:
9 IP
1 H
0 R
0 BB
20 K

5 GB/3 FB/0 LD
122 pitches, 84 strikes


Buehrle:
9 IP
0 H
0 R
0 BB
6 K

116 pitches, 74 strikes

It's no slight on Buehrle at all, but it takes a lot of luck to get a perfect game. He got the luck that Wood didn't. But to be honest, to me, there is no question that Wood pitched the better game.

I should ignore those that try to interject cubs propoganda into a thread about Buehrle but...

(1) You forgot about the HBP
(2) "easily been an error" so now you want scorekeeper help - and it still wouldn't have made it a perfect game
(3) "better defense" - so you remember the other outs that wood recorded and know none of them were good plays/hard hit
(4) "better defense" #2 - really...Pods, Dye, Beckham, Ramirez, Niz and Fields...the only above average fielder on the field was Buehrle
(5) Was it luck or bad pitching that caused the HBP?
(6) There's a reason why they call it a Perfect Game

Here in Chicago we've heard about how great Wood is since 1998. Tell me, who has had the better career, the over-hyped Kerry Wood or Mark Buehrle? It's not even close.

(07-24-2009 11:57 AM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 10:44 PM)7 Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 08:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 08:38 PM)7 Wrote:  I'd honestly take Wood's game and I am more of a Sox fan than Cubs fan.

Wood's might be more flashy , but Buehrle's is the better pitched game, thus why its called a perfect game :)

The only baserunner Wood gave up was an infield hit that could have easily been an error, Wise robbed the guy of a homer. Just because Buehrle had better defense behind him doesn't mean he pitched the better game.

Wood:
9 IP
1 H
0 R
0 BB
20 K

5 GB/3 FB/0 LD
122 pitches, 84 strikes


Buehrle:
9 IP
0 H
0 R
0 BB
6 K

116 pitches, 74 strikes

It's no slight on Buehrle at all, but it takes a lot of luck to get a perfect game. He got the luck that Wood didn't. But to be honest, to me, there is no question that Wood pitched the better game.

I should ignore those that try to interject cubs propoganda into a thread about Buehrle but...

(1) You forgot about the HBP
(2) "easily been an error" so now you want scorekeeper help - and it still wouldn't have made it a perfect game
(3) "better defense" - so you remember the other outs that wood recorded and know none of them were good plays/hard hit
(4) "better defense" #2 - really...Pods, Dye, Beckham, Ramirez, Niz and Fields...the only above average fielder on the field was Buehrle
(5) Was it luck or bad pitching that caused the HBP?
(6) There's a reason why they call it a Perfect Game

Here in Chicago we've heard about how great Wood is since 1998. Tell me, who has had the better career, the over-hyped Kerry Wood or Mark Buehrle? It's not even close.

Some good points ...

and here's some other points that make both pitching performances awesome. MD mentioned above about the NL vs. AL. The pitcher is almost a sure out against a good pitcher. The Astros had a good team when Wood struck out 20, but it was also a little cold that day and they didn't look like they wanted to hit the ball. I saw most of the Wood game (from the 4th inning), and I don't remember a hard hit ball. Both parks are hitter friendly parks. When you strike out 20 batters, there were only 9 batters that put a ball into play - that is unbelievable. That is very dominating. The Sox defense isn't very good, especially when you consider who was playing yesterday. Oh, and Biggio was just trying to get something going and used to get hit a lot - so he was taking one for the team cause he couldn't get on-base.

I don't think anyone was comparing the careers of Buehrle or Wood, cause there isn't a comparison. It's just that, anyone who saw Wood pitch that day said it was the most dominating game they ever saw anyone pitch. And now people are saying it about Buehrle, it just makes for interesting discussion.

(07-24-2009 11:44 AM)NIU17 Wrote:  I heard yesterday that he had the same ump for both his no-hitters-pretty weird. And he was the only player in history to pitch 2 no-hitters to the minimum 27 batters. He also had a 2-hitter that was the minimum 27 batters. He is good.

both of his no hitters also took exactly 2 hours, 3 minutes to play. and in both games the sox scored their winning runs via grand slams.

(07-24-2009 11:57 AM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 10:44 PM)7 Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 08:43 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 08:38 PM)7 Wrote:  I'd honestly take Wood's game and I am more of a Sox fan than Cubs fan.

Wood's might be more flashy , but Buehrle's is the better pitched game, thus why its called a perfect game :)

The only baserunner Wood gave up was an infield hit that could have easily been an error, Wise robbed the guy of a homer. Just because Buehrle had better defense behind him doesn't mean he pitched the better game.

Wood:
9 IP
1 H
0 R
0 BB
20 K

5 GB/3 FB/0 LD
122 pitches, 84 strikes


Buehrle:
9 IP
0 H
0 R
0 BB
6 K

116 pitches, 74 strikes

It's no slight on Buehrle at all, but it takes a lot of luck to get a perfect game. He got the luck that Wood didn't. But to be honest, to me, there is no question that Wood pitched the better game.

I should ignore those that try to interject cubs propoganda into a thread about Buehrle but...

(1) You forgot about the HBP
(2) "easily been an error" so now you want scorekeeper help - and it still wouldn't have made it a perfect game
(3) "better defense" - so you remember the other outs that wood recorded and know none of them were good plays/hard hit
(4) "better defense" #2 - really...Pods, Dye, Beckham, Ramirez, Niz and Fields...the only above average fielder on the field was Buehrle
(5) Was it luck or bad pitching that caused the HBP?
(6) There's a reason why they call it a Perfect Game

Here in Chicago we've heard about how great Wood is since 1998. Tell me, who has had the better career, the over-hyped Kerry Wood or Mark Buehrle? It's not even close.

Who the hell is trying to promote Cub propoganda in this thread? I ******* hate the Cubs. To answer your last question Buehrle is a much better pitcher, but that doesn't have anything to do with the question at hand.

1. Yes I did, and I admitted that. Still would take Wood's game though.
2. Yeah, because no scorekeeper has ever made an incorrect call before.
3. Wood had ZERO line drive outs in that game. Zero. So no, none were hard hit.
4. He had better defense played behind him that game.
5. lol if you want to call one HBP "bad pitching" then sure.
6. Yes, I know why the call it a perfect game, but ask anybody to throw a perfect game or a no hitter you have to get a lot of luck.

Both were beautifully pitched games, but if you are going by strictly pitching I am taking the Wood game. It's not some slight toward Buehrle or Cubby propoganda.

And for the record, Buehrle's game yesterday had a game score of 93. Wood's game score was 105.

(07-24-2009 08:21 PM)7 Wrote:  And for the record, Buehrle's game yesterday had a game score of 93. Wood's game score was 105.

7, this is just a ludicrous argument. Boers and Bernstein even argued Buehrle's performance could be the best pitching performance of all time given the circumstances. Wood's performance is not even in the same discussion, and not even close.

(07-24-2009 09:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  7, this is just a ludicrous argument. Boers and Bernstein even argued Buehrle's performance could be the best pitching performance of all time given the circumstances. Wood's performance is not even in the same discussion, and not even close.

I agree that Buehrle's performance was better than Wood's, but Don Larsen is on Line 1 and wants to talk to Boers and Bernstein. From a pitching standpoint, I don't think you can top a perfect game in the World Series, unless somebody does it in Game 7.

(07-24-2009 09:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-24-2009 08:21 PM)7 Wrote:  And for the record, Buehrle's game yesterday had a game score of 93. Wood's game score was 105.

7, this is just a ludicrous argument. Boers and Bernstein even argued Buehrle's performance could be the best pitching performance of all time given the circumstances. Wood's performance is not even in the same discussion, and not even close.

It's not a ludicrous argument at all if you aren't close minded. Is there an argument Buehrle's game was better? Of course, and I'm not going to call it "ludicrous" for somebody to think that. He threw a perfect game, it's an historic and amazing feat.

And lol because B and B says it then it must be true? Those are the same guys who said the Cubs had the NL Central locked up before the season started. How we lookin?

And what circumstances was Buehrle pitching under yesterday? An afternnon game in July against a team that can't hit lefties? Larsen's perfecto is the greatest game of all time, no question.

And again, I was rooting for Buehrle as hard as anybody yesterday so don't take this as me bashing him.

Buehrle just set the ML record for most consecutive batters retired at 43.

You do the math.

(07-28-2009 08:32 PM)nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:  

history

very impressive

(07-28-2009 08:36 PM)huskiealum03 Wrote:  

(07-28-2009 08:32 PM)nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:  

history

haha i was just kidding, i hope he does it, even making it this far is crazy good luck to him!

(07-28-2009 08:42 PM)nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:  

(07-28-2009 08:36 PM)huskiealum03 Wrote:  

(07-28-2009 08:32 PM)nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:  

history

haha i was just kidding, i hope he does it, even making it this far is crazy good luck to him!

oh well...it was thrilling while it lasted.

Damn piranhas...