WEAPONS OF CHOICE
Washington drops hammer on state gun plan
'As you may know, federal law … supersedes the act'


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Posted: July 21, 2009
9:14 pm Eastern


By Bob Unruh
2009 WorldNetDaily


Federal gun regulators have written to gun dealers around Tennessee, dropping the hammer on a new state law that exempts weapons made, sold and used inside the state from interstate regulations.

The letter, dated just days ago, was distributed to holders of Federal Firearms Licenses.

In it, Carson W. Carroll, the assistant director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told dealers the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act, adopted this year, "purports to exempt personal firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition manufactured in the state, and which remain in the state, from most federal firearms laws and regulations."

The exemption is not right, the federal agency letter contends.

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"As you may know, federal law requires a license to engage in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition, or to deal in firearms, even if the firearms or ammunition remain with the same state," the letter said. "All firearms manufactured by a licensee must be properly marked. Additionally, each licensee must record the type, model, caliber or gauge, and serial number of each firearm manufactured or otherwise acquired, and the date such manufacture or other acquisition was made.

"These, as well as other federal requirements and prohibitions, apply whether or not the firearms or ammunition have crossed state lines," the letter said.

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The law was adopted by the state Legislature this year. It provides that "federal laws and regulations do not apply to personal firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition that is manufactured in Tennessee and remains in Tennessee." It also carries exemptions for certain types of weapons and ammunition and the requirement that all firearms made or sold in the state have "Made in Tennessee" on them.

Tennessee is not the first state to move in this direction. WND reported earlier that Utah was considering such a plan, and the state of Montana earlier adopted its own gun exemption procedure.


Montana statehouse

Montana's bill provides that guns, ammo, accessories, silencers and other products made, sold and used in the state would not require any federal documentation, registration, serial numbers, records check or waiting period.

The pushback from the states comes at a time when the federal administration is replete with anti-gun activists in influential positions, including an attorney general, Eric Holder, who supported a complete handgun ban in the District of Columbia before it was tossed by the U.S. Supreme Court.

The Obama administration has even pushed for a treaty that would require sportsmen who reload their ammunition to obtain a federal license.

The Montana plan cites the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that "guarantees to the states and their people all powers not granted to the federal government elsewhere in the Constitution and reserves to the state and people of Montana certain powers as they were understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889."

"The guaranty of those powers is a matter of contract between the state and people of Montana and the United States as of the time that the compact with the United States was agreed upon and adopted by Montana and the United States in 1889," the Montana plan states.

"The regulation of intrastate commerce is vested in the states under the 9th and 10th amendments to the United States Constitution, particularly if not expressly pre-empted by federal law. Congress has not expressly pre-empted state regulation of intrastate commerce pertaining to the manufacture on an intrastate basis of firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition," it says.

Further, state lawmakers cite the Second Amendment right of the people to "keep and bear arms as that right was understood at the time that Montana was admitted to statehood in 1889."

The Tennessee plan includes many of the same arguments.

The Tennessee Gun Owners website includes this comment: "And the battle begins. I don't believe this was unexpected. According to the 10th Amendment, the state has authority. Tennessee is applying its constitutional rights. The feds are saying, no, the Constitution doesn't count. Calling all lawyers!"

In Montana, a Democrat governor signed the gun exemption law; in Tennessee, a Democrat governor allowed the gun exemptions to become law without his signature.

At Resistnet.com, there was a discussion among hundreds of members who have stated their willingness to bring a lawsuit against the federal government over the issue.

"The sovereign state of Tennessee should stand her ground. If people would stand up to the bully (Big Brother) we might take back some of the rights that have been stolen from us. It will not be comfortable. It will not be easy. But, it can be done, if we want it bad enough," said one participant.

One other was a little less eloquent, but his message came through.

"This is a crock! This is a free state and it's time to tell the thieves in Washington to butt out."

The weapons definitions are part of a general move on the part of states – Alaska being the most recent – to simply declare their sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment.

About three dozen states have begun working on such plans.

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin signed House Joint Resolution just days ago. It "claims sovereignty for the state under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States."

The joint resolution does not carry the force of law, but supporters say it is a significant move toward getting their message out to other lawmakers, the media and grassroots movements.

While seven states – Tennessee, Idaho, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Alaska and Louisiana – have had both houses of their legislatures pass similar decrees, Palin signed Alaska's Tenth Amendment declaration and Tennessee's governor signed that state's Tenth Amendment declaration of sovereignty.

I really hope Montana secedes.

They need to take this all the way to the Supreme Court. If they don't get a ruling that follows the US Constitution, f'n secede.

It may come to just that. They are trampling on the US Constitution. This Tenth Amendment declaration of sovereignty is working it's way through the Texas Legislature as well. Washington may not have anyone left to govern. Limited Government is a must.

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OK THEN, BY The God in Heaven, I will file a Lawsuit to Force the Federal Government to start a Massive Cease and Desist of the allowing of All States who Participate in the Allowing of and have even Mandated by Election, the States Enacted Legal Use of Marijuana, a Schedule '1' Drug, either where Legislatively Mandated or Mandated by Election Supported by the States Legislature, Governor, and States Attorney General !!!!!!!

By the same Coin and Token, NO STATE can Supersede Federal Drug Law NO MATTER WHAT THE STATES ELECTORATE SAYS and no matter how many State Elections they have on the Measure.

ALL STATES that now Allow, under a State Legislative Mandate, the Use, Carry, Transfer of Marijuana, a Schedule '1' Drug as Described by the Drug Enforcement Agency and The Justice Department of the Federal Government, shall and will cease immediately.

If one half of the Goose Sh't is good for the Gander, so is the Other Half.

Guns, Marijuana, Whore Houses, it matters NOT, NO STATE LAW MAY SUPERSEDE FEDERAL LAW in such cases where FEDERAL LAW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER STATE LAW or STATES PERCEIVED RIGHTS.

I am sick of this Socialistic CRAP where it is Pick and Choose !!!!

If they are going to Enforce One Law, By God they WILL Enforce them ALL and I will see it go the SCOTUS if I have too.

Obamagog, the Fearful Leader just doesn't want a "Well Armed Militia" to defend against his Communistic Marxist Forced Ideals.

Please SECEDE !!!!! Please !!!!!!!

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The Governor of each state should threaten to order the closure of every Federal Office in the State.

I believe it's well REGULATED militia, not well armed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

(07-22-2009 03:44 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  I believe it's well REGULATED militia, not well armed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The people have the right to bear arms because of the NEED to muster a well regulated militia. Our right to bear arms, in any other time a militia is not needed, has nothing to do with that.

(07-22-2009 03:44 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  I believe it's well REGULATED militia, not well armed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Is that really all you got out of that Post ????

And did it look like I was Directly Quoting any parts of the Constitution regarding Militia's ??????

Your Fearful Leader and Big Eared Wuss DOES NOT WANT A WELL ARMED MILITIA or TRAINED ARMED GROUP of Gun Owners Standing Against Him in Any Way, Form, or Fashion - - when Big Ears Armies Come a Raping, Pillaging, and Usurping, "Regulated" goes out the Window.

It is truly pathetic that all you absorbed out of that post was what you thought was a 'Gotcha' against me regarding the Constitution.

You don't even care about the Honest Legal and Political Contrast my Post draws do you ...

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I'm all with you guys on the principles involved here, but any of you who think your private arms could withstand any modern day armed forces are living in a dreamland. You may as well have pitchforks and axes.

(07-22-2009 04:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm all with you guys on the principles involved here, but any of you who think your private arms could withstand any modern day armed forces are living in a dreamland. You may as well have pitchforks and axes.

You have a point.

(07-22-2009 05:02 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 04:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm all with you guys on the principles involved here, but any of you who think your private arms could withstand any modern day armed forces are living in a dreamland. You may as well have pitchforks and axes.

You have a point.

Initially, the military would probably follow orders and surpress an insurrection. Certainly there is American history behind that assumption, but a mass armed uprising against an unpopular government?

I do not think the American military would fight the American public in drawn out battle.

(don't want to imagine)

The Governor of each state is the only person alive that can legally call out the National Guard. We are talking about the State against the Federal Government here.

(07-22-2009 04:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm all with you guys on the principles involved here, but any of you who think your private arms could withstand any modern day armed forces are living in a dreamland. You may as well have pitchforks and axes.

Surely you jest ????

And I don't think you Understand who you are saying this too and there are THOUSANDS just like me out there that love this Country ... LOL

It is NOT Hard to be a True Patriot if you are willing to give it a little thought and a few dollars to the effort.

I am looking at an M4 (short version of an M16) and a Black Spec Op's Russian AK47 as we speak. Over in the Corner is a Sig 9mm on a Duty/Utility Belt with 6/30 Round Clips of M16 and the 9mm is Holstered to the Duty/Utility Belt as well as a couple of 20 Round Mag Cases - - so there is about 300 Rounds of M16 on the Belt and about 200 Round of 9mm all Clipped up and ready to go. Utility Flashlight, 20'' ASP, Large Canister of 'Freeze Plus P' Pepper Spray, a Knife you can Shave with and that is Literal, it will shave you.

Oh yeah, forgot my Model 1600 Tap-Tap Silent Killer M16A2 Style. Very Effective little Rifle.

And that is only one of my Belts ....

And I have so many outlets to get Grenade Launchers, Laser Sites, Night Vision ,,,, my M4 has an Electronic Graduated Reticle 4-16x40mm Water Proof Non-Reflective Scope, that has both Red and Green Cross Hairs depending on your need and a Front Parallax Adjustable Ring as well as Rear Magnification Ring so as to draw in the most of the Entire Target Area while still keeping a Clear Focus on the Objective. The front of the Scope is about the size of the one in SOAF's Signature, but has the Adjustments to it unlike that scope in his Photo.

I just took the M4 out the other day and shot the entire Center Mass Area out of my Paper Target at about 200 Yards ... now this was with the Wind blowing and my Target sometimes flying up to almost Flat to my view and I still would shoot at it - - If I could see that Red Center Print just even a little, I took the shot ... and out of 45 M16 Rounds, I cleanly shot out the entire Center Point on the Target and never threw a single round out of that Center Mass Point.

ROBERT .... I am not bragging here sonny, I am simply letting the man know that I have the same Weapons and Ability any United States Soldier has and can Sniper with my M4 from at least 200 Yards out .... I know I can Sniper farther out than that, but I haven't gotten to a Range where I have more than 100 to 500 Meters in distance to Zero In and play around with.

I also have a Riot Shotgun as well as several other Weapons.

As I said, I have SEVERAL ways of getting what I need and know at least 30 People right off hand that has pretty much the same Armament that I have in one way or another and I am talking the new version of the M203 Grenade Launcher that will hook right onto the Rail of my M4, all the way up to the Barret M107 .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles . . . they are the Semi Auto kind and some have the M82 Model or M95 Model or that is Bolt Action.

My point here is simple, we are all legal under the "2nd Amendment" and are very able and capable to Defend Our Selves and if you think 35% to 60% out of 100% of Uniformed United States Troops are going to not Cross Over to Us, you are very wrong. And we have Iraq and Afghan War Vets in this group already.

I was talking to one about a week ago that is working Contract Wet Work some where in the world as I write this as does two other friends of ours that will jump the Fence in a Heart Beat.

Yeah, come on MIB's .... let Al Qaeda have their little U.S. Pep Rally's but you come see me ....

We are not radical terrorist and will defend the United States against ALL Enemies Both Foreign and Domestic as we ALL were sworn to do at one time or another.

I don't feel that this is a time in our Nations Wrecking to be lax about any of this .... it is not a joke to me, especially when we have Al Qaeda massing on United States Soil and giving Pep Rallies on how to Destroy the United States and we have to sit back and take it ?????

UH HUH !!!!!!!

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I think Trip just got us all put on a watch list.

(07-22-2009 04:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm all with you guys on the principles involved here, but any of you who think your private arms could withstand any modern day armed forces are living in a dreamland. You may as well have pitchforks and axes.

Our troops will not turn on their fellow citizens. Without troops, those weapons in the military arsenal are useless. You think everyone had cannons sitting around the house in 1861? Warships at the end of the pier in 1775?

(07-22-2009 08:15 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  I think Trip just got us all put on a watch list.

All 100% Legal and Ready to go and also 2nd Amendment Protected.

I should never be on any Watch List, but since that Fine Piece of He-Woman Janet Napolitano said all "White Male Ex-Military Veterans" are "Radical Fundamentalist Terrorist", then that puts a LOT of us on that Ignorant Watch List while Al Qaeda Pep Rallies in OUR STREETS for Walk-On Hadji Wanna-Be's.

It is sickening at it best.

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(07-22-2009 08:19 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 04:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'm all with you guys on the principles involved here, but any of you who think your private arms could withstand any modern day armed forces are living in a dreamland. You may as well have pitchforks and axes.

Our troops will not turn on their fellow citizens. Without troops, those weapons in the military arsenal are useless. You think everyone had cannons sitting around the house in 1861? Warships at the end of the pier in 1775?

Do you know what the number one emphasis in recruiting goals is for our military? Diversity. There is more than one reason for that.

(07-22-2009 08:15 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  I think Trip just got us all put on a watch list.

Do not get paranoid. I'm told that very few thing can get you on a watch list.

But one of them is any mention of owning or making a "Drop In **** S**r", without a permit.

however in case of a national emergency those plans and pieces could come together, if you know what I mean.

(07-22-2009 09:52 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 08:15 PM)GRPunk Wrote:  I think Trip just got us all put on a watch list.

Do not get paranoid. I'm told that very few thing can get you on a watch list.

But one of them is any mention of owning or making a

"Drop In **** S**r",

without a permit.

however in case of a national emergency those plans and pieces could come together, if you know what I mean.

I hear ya code SUM and know exactly what you are talking about, but I am of the old school where it is "One Shot One Kill" and while your enemy is spraying all their Ammo down range at you, you just wait them out and then you POP, POP, POP, POP, POP them Hadji Heads like Ripe Water Melons one at a time.

A few well placed 20mm and 40mm Grenades of all Flavors make a huge dent in Morale as does blown open heads with brains slung all over you and your Buddies ..... it stinks so badly that it is an instant Morale Buster.

SAWS and Old 60's run out of ammo and it takes a minute to reload them, so that is the lull you need to bombard the Hun with Willie Peter and H.E. Hot Frags right on top of them and they can't hide from the Willie Peter. LOTS OF WILLIE PETER.

If war breaks out on our Streets, I don't think the ATF will be too awful concerned about that Item you are talking about or the it's Brother Device.

And by then, we will have certain parts to do things as we please and I have some weird diagrams for these things that just showed here one day by accident ....

And I don't know first hand, but am told you can modify where you have a "Selective Way" of Shooting Those Photos from Single to Auto Shutter.

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