To cover the 10 million uninsured is a relatively small thing. Why does everything have to change for the 200 million who are already covered?

Health ins isn't expensive. The problem is people won't give up their cell phones, cable tv, ipods, xbox, smokes and alchol. Average american spends more on entertainment than heath ins a year.

(07-23-2009 12:24 AM)OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:  Health ins isn't expensive. The problem is people won't give up their cell phones, cable tv, ipods, xbox, smokes and alchol. Average american spends more on entertainment than heath ins a year.

+1

(07-22-2009 07:17 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

RobertN added this little worthless tidbit today Wrote:

(07-21-2009 05:21 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Experts: Obama's 'Public Option' Insurance Will Abandon 100 Million Citizens

Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:22 PM

By: David A. Patten

Up to 100 million people would lose...

You didn't mention what I put in bold-that this was REPUBLICAN SPIN.

(07-22-2009 11:27 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Roberta, moron, check that, homo moron.

These findings fly in the face of President Obama's assurances.

"Under our proposals," Obama told the American people during his July 18 weekly radio address, "if you like your doctor, you keep your doctor. If you like your current insurance, you keep that insurance. Period, end of story."

Not so, according to a report released Monday by the Lewin Group, a nonpartisan Falls Church, Va., firm that provides consulting services to the healthcare industry. The D.C.-based Heritage Foundation sponsored the study.

The study concludes that, although the government won't actually order people to leave their private insurance plans, it will induce their employers to do so. The taxpayer subsidies in the public option will tilt the economic scales so much that employers and individuals will abandon the private insurance market by the millions, the Lewin Group study indicates.

Just like his "create or save jobs" statement. Obama does not know what he is doing, it's inexperience. Could we expect anything different from this OPRAH Endorsed, Community Organizer

You can bold the first part all you want but the part you left unbolded is the important parts... "firm that provides consulting services to the healthcare industry. The D.C.-based Heritage Foundation sponsored the study."

(07-22-2009 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 11:51 AM)At Ease Wrote:  The Lewin Group is owned by UnitedHealth Group, the largest US health insurer, who would seem to have no interest in competing with public options. They may be nonpartisan, but I would hardly entrust them as presenting their data without bias.

Ahh, you trust your government more, eh?

United Healthcare profits up 155%

I bet that wasn't mentioned on Faux News or Faux Business.

CEOs thrived, people died.

(07-23-2009 03:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 11:51 AM)At Ease Wrote:  The Lewin Group is owned by UnitedHealth Group, the largest US health insurer, who would seem to have no interest in competing with public options. They may be nonpartisan, but I would hardly entrust them as presenting their data without bias.

Ahh, you trust your government more, eh?

United Healthcare profits up 155%

I bet that wasn't mentioned on Faux News or Faux Business.

CEOs thrived, people died.

Massive obesity rates are having a far greater impact on people dying and our country's lifespan than insurance companies and the healthcare system.

History has shown time and time again that improvements in public health (clean water, vaccines, etc.) have a far larger impact on lifespan than innovations in medical treatment.

(07-23-2009 03:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 11:51 AM)At Ease Wrote:  The Lewin Group is owned by UnitedHealth Group, the largest US health insurer, who would seem to have no interest in competing with public options. They may be nonpartisan, but I would hardly entrust them as presenting their data without bias.

Ahh, you trust your government more, eh?

United Healthcare profits up 155%

I bet that wasn't mentioned on Faux News or Faux Business.

CEOs thrived, people died.

WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in china? I'm happy for them. I'm happy for their stockholders. People are being treated. How else would their profits be up 155%? Ahh, you think they're throwing people off the roles like Michelle was throwing people out of the hospitals in Chicago, right?

FINE! Address THAT ****. Don't destroy the entire GDamn industry. You libs want fairness and equality alright, you want us all to be equally fuckin' miserable and serving at the feet of your left-wing oligarchy.

(07-22-2009 04:20 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 03:56 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  Even though I am not down with "Obamacare", as you guys put it, something has to change.

You can't tell me the current policy of shifting unpaid medical expenses to the private insurance companies can go on forever either, because eventually private insurance will be too expensive to afford. Then everyone will be looking at the government to bail the private insurance companies out. Then we will be facing the same thing we are looking at now: government run healthcare.......

The expenses need to be controlled, but how?

Thing is, when the USS Cole was bombed, was it scuttled or sold for scrap? No, it was put onto the Blue Marlin, floated to Mississippi, and repaired. Kind of an analogy with the health care system. Obama would sell the Cole for scrap (Health Care Industry), when all that needs to be done is repaired. I assume you have healthcare. I have healthcare. Millions upon millions have healthcare. Millions don't due to their own ability to pay for their own services or young people who think they're invincible. The ones that can't due to pre-existing conditions, well, let's address that. I don't need the government getting involved in my healthcare. Fix the holes, don't scuttle the ship.

I have a Video of that Recovery of the Cole and it is both Awesome and So Very Sad at the same time.

Very very sombering thing to watch knowing Soldiers DIED on this Ship for no other reason than they chose to be in the Military.

I will try to dig it up in some format or another and post it - - I think we could stand to see that moment in time relived.

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I had to chase it down, but I found it.

It is almost the exact same as the original, but the changes aren't enough to make a difference.

I give you the Death and the Resurrection off the "United States Ship Cole".

The music is a haunting reminder that life is only here for a moment, then it is gone ,,,, it is simply just gone ......

>>>>>>>> I Present to You The Recovery of the United States Ship Cole <<<<<<<

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(07-23-2009 07:36 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 03:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 11:51 AM)At Ease Wrote:  The Lewin Group is owned by UnitedHealth Group, the largest US health insurer, who would seem to have no interest in competing with public options. They may be nonpartisan, but I would hardly entrust them as presenting their data without bias.

Ahh, you trust your government more, eh?

United Healthcare profits up 155%

I bet that wasn't mentioned on Faux News or Faux Business.

CEOs thrived, people died.

WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in china? I'm happy for them. I'm happy for their stockholders. People are being treated. How else would their profits be up 155%? Ahh, you think they're throwing people off the roles like Michelle was throwing people out of the hospitals in Chicago, right?

FINE! Address THAT ****. Don't destroy the entire GDamn industry. You libs want fairness and equality alright, you want us all to be equally fuckin' miserable and serving at the feet of your left-wing oligarchy.

I have seen more people personally complain about being denied services(before or after having the insurance) than I have seen complain about Canadas "healthcare problem". Yes, I am talking about throwing people off the roles and denying them the treatment because of cost. I am not sure what you are talking about in the second part but if there is a public option, there is a good chance that whoever was apparently thrown out of a hospital would not have been.

(07-23-2009 11:29 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I have seen more people personally complain about being denied services(before or after having the insurance) than I have seen complain about Canadas "healthcare problem". Yes, I am talking about throwing people off the roles and denying them the treatment because of cost. I am not sure what you are talking about in the second part but if there is a public option, there is a good chance that whoever was apparently thrown out of a hospital would not have been.

Your problem is you don't think the government will do it They will, but a helluva lot more. Sucking chest wound? Go home and take this Motrin.

BTW, there's a reason Motrin is the "medicine of choice" in any US Army TMC. I tried for f'n two years to get a piece of metal out of my finger until I finally banged it hard enough on purpose to bleed on the inside in which they HAD to remove it. Right on the knuckle of my left index finger. Try living for 3 years with something like that in your finger, calcifying. It's uncomfortable as hell, to say the least. They weren't going to take it out then. They were going to drain the blood, give me some Motrin, and send me on my merry way because it had calcified to the bone. Yes, the fuckin' bone.

(07-23-2009 11:29 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 07:36 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-23-2009 03:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 12:16 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(07-22-2009 11:51 AM)At Ease Wrote:  The Lewin Group is owned by UnitedHealth Group, the largest US health insurer, who would seem to have no interest in competing with public options. They may be nonpartisan, but I would hardly entrust them as presenting their data without bias.

Ahh, you trust your government more, eh?

United Healthcare profits up 155%

I bet that wasn't mentioned on Faux News or Faux Business.

CEOs thrived, people died.

WTF does that have to do with the price of tea in china? I'm happy for them. I'm happy for their stockholders. People are being treated. How else would their profits be up 155%? Ahh, you think they're throwing people off the roles like Michelle was throwing people out of the hospitals in Chicago, right?

FINE! Address THAT ****. Don't destroy the entire GDamn industry. You libs want fairness and equality alright, you want us all to be equally fuckin' miserable and serving at the feet of your left-wing oligarchy.

I have seen more people personally complain about being denied services(before or after having the insurance) than I have seen complain about Canadas "healthcare problem". Yes, I am talking about throwing people off the roles and denying them the treatment because of cost. I am not sure what you are talking about in the second part but if there is a public option, there is a good chance that whoever was apparently thrown out of a hospital would not have been.

The current 'public options', medicare and medicaid do this already with numerous restrictions on what can be done and justifications of hospital stays. To think this would miraculously change with this potential new public plan is naïve.

Dear Friend,

Last night, President Obama addressed the nation in a primetime press conference about health insurance reform.

The President made crystal clear what's at stake in this debate: the fiscal well-being of our nation and the health of our families and small businesses.

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Truth be told — with each passing day, more and more Americans are unable to get the health care they need, when they need it. Skyrocketing co-pays and deductibles and soaring insurance premiums are crushing our family budgets and small businesses. Unless we act now, these problems are guaranteed to get worse and worse.

Under reform, American families will get the stability and security they deserve. They'll no longer have to fear losing health care coverage if they lose or switch jobs, going bankrupt if they become seriously ill, or being denied coverage because of a pre-existing medical condition. Reform will ensure all Americans have access to quality, affordable insurance.

We all have a stake in this and for the 14,000 Americans who are losing their health insurance each day — reform can't wait.

Make sure everyone you know understands the importance and urgency of health insurance reform: Watch the President's remarks and forward this email to your friends and family.

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