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(07-13-2009 11:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A few quibbles, but basically I'd go for this

What are your quibbles? Let's hash em out and come to a non-partisan agreement on a Spin Room Presidential Platform.
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1. Support for the military, especially the branch that handles domestic issues off of the coast.
2. A set of balls for once. Don't let these ACLUs and ACORNs run the show. How about putting the Fed. in its place.
3. Encouragement of legal immigration.
4. A centrist.
5. Support of state's rights to handle education, healthcare, commerce, and welfare.
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RE: Your Ideal President
(07-13-2009 03:32 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 11:01 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  A few quibbles, but basically I'd go for this

What are your quibbles? Let's hash em out and come to a non-partisan agreement on a Spin Room Presidential Platform.

I'd favor
1. 15-15-15 approach to taxation (payroll, consumption, business profits)
2. French approach to health care
3. Strong federal protection for 2nd Amendment rights
4. Moving substantial military forces from foreign to domestic bases
5. Instead of statehood for DC/PR/VI/GU/AS, give them one senator and one representative each as territories

We're obviously not too far apart.
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(07-13-2009 07:37 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are the qualities that you would look for in your ideal POTUS?


For me:

High level of national/international experience

High level of intellegence

Tendency towards common sense/prudence

Willingness to put "Country First" over ideological agendas

High level of national/international experience (it deserves to be listed twice, since we seem to have forgotten its importance in the era of Obama vs. Palin)

My ideal President:

GHW Bush was the guy who didn't like to read.

Frankly he never came across as particularly intelligent.

I don't know enough history, but Ike, Adams or Jefferson seemed alright.
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(07-13-2009 10:15 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 07:37 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are the qualities that you would look for in your ideal POTUS?


For me:

High level of national/international experience

High level of intellegence

Tendency towards common sense/prudence

Willingness to put "Country First" over ideological agendas

High level of national/international experience (it deserves to be listed twice, since we seem to have forgotten its importance in the era of Obama vs. Palin)

My ideal President:

GHW Bush was the guy who didn't like to read.

Frankly he never came across as particularly intelligent.

I don't know enough history, but Ike, Adams or Jefferson seemed alright.

I kinda like Ike also. A warrior with the intelligence to know that war is a waste of wealth...not a generator of it. Plus....He was an avid golfer. I'd like to have him in my group on the Sunday tossup.04-cheers
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(07-13-2009 12:39 PM)Tripster Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 12:10 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 11:46 AM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Nothing Else Need Be Said - -> 04-rock 04-rock 04-rock

[Image: ronaldreagan.jpg]

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"I don't recall" who that is.
03-melodramatic03-melodramatic Woosh. Right over your head.

That is why you don't have a good grasp on Present Politics - - you have very little background from the Recent Past to draw from.

And to not know Reagan as an Adult Observer, gives you a Great Handicap when talking about a Barack Hussein Obama and trying to vet or uphold his crazy Financial Policies.

And don't even go there about how Obamagog Inherited a Recession from GW .... Reagan Inherited an Entire Eviscerated Nation all the way down from the least Government Office, to a Totally Decimated Military, from Jim "The Peanut" Carter and by today's Calculations and Standards, Reagan was hit a Hell of a lot harder and with MUCH Greater Deficits and Debt and "non-working Military everything" than Obamagog could ever have nightmares about.

In today's Dollars vs Reagan Day Dollars, Obamagog is getting away lite homez.

I can remember a lot of Scuttlebutt regarding the question of "How the United States could actually and legally file for Bankruptcy" during the Carter Years.

Why could Reagan turn this around with a Completely Reverse Set of Financial Policies and make it happen and Obamagog is trying to Borrow, Spend, and Tax us to Death out of a Similar Financial Situation ????

OH YEAH !!!!! And "Nationalize" ever Nuance of Free Enterprise Obamagog can Overthrow - - or can "Coup d'état" ???

As in the Apologetic Style of our Fearful Leader - -
I "Apologize for you not knowing one of the Greatest President's this Earth has ever been blessed with; Ronald Wilson Reagan, February 6, 1911 – June 5, 2004".

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(07-13-2009 01:25 PM)GGniner Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 12:06 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 10:43 AM)GGniner Wrote:  except uh, Bush 41 supported the Iraq War and like many on the Left and Right realized they screwed up signing the Cease Fire Agreement with Saddam instead of removing him from power the first time around.

like all republicans, the Left only like Dead Republicans and those they removed from office, in a lame effort to influence others in their talking points against current republicans they want to defeat from office. Ignoring the insane hatred for them while they were in office.
You are an idiot if you think he honestly supported the war. He was saying so only to support his sons decision.

since you are so good at reading Bush 41's mind, help me through this one:

What was a sobbing Dan Rather(Liberal Icon and what not) thinking right after 9/11 on David Letterman when he called for War with Saddam Hussein?


"unlike the Gulf War, we will have the staying power"....my how things have changed for the liberal left.

"Focus is on .....Iraq......" "Not a one man enemy, but a hydra-headed enemy in many nations...."(paraphrasing)

"George Bush is the President, he makes the decisions....wherever he wants me to line up he just makes the call"


"We didn't have the staying power to finish and get rid of Saddam Hussein..."
"this will be long, casualties will be greater...."


"It remains to be seen if we have the staying power, the will to stay with it..."

"another few hours and Saddam Hussein may have gone to Sudan..." "but we all know now the decision to stop was too soon"




"...we ended the Gulf War too soon......if Saddam Hussein isn't connected to this he's connected to any number of other things.....he dreams of being a new Saladin....his hate is deep for us...."



and that one is paticularly interesting about Dick Cheney, the CIA and "Getting down and dirty with these people".




again, Politicizing National Security for Tribal Political Gain is shameful, dangerous and dishonorable.
What do those clips have to do with my post?
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(07-13-2009 02:16 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  The only good President is an ex-President. There are no good Presidents in office...

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(07-13-2009 10:08 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Offer Statehood to
o Puerto Rico

I lived in PR for 4 years. Most of them don't want statehood. They either want independence or enhanced common wealth status (read: they get more money from us) The statehood debate has been played out down there and they don't want it. If they ever passed a plebiscite the independence people would freak out and probably get violent. Another thing is that wages in PR are really low. They would generate nothing in income tax but would suck money our of Washington like a vacuum.
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(07-13-2009 10:08 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  My ideal agenda, which could be accomplished by any type POTUS.

Support Strong National Defense.
o Maintain overseas bases as long as there is the consent of the local population.

Too expensive IMO.

Quote:o Encourage new battlefield technologies – the USA should never have second rate tech.

Hard for 300M to keep up w/ 6B in terms of new ideas. We'll always get scooped on something. We shouldn't be weak, but let's not set an unrealistic expectation.

Quote:Support Smaller Government.
o No National Health Care.
o No bailouts.
o Less government management of capitalism.

There are wide swaths of regulation that should be eliminated. In the mean time, you need effective, rapid dispute resolution.

Quote:Stay out of the personal lives of Americans.
o Allow states to manage their population identities and demands.
 Taxes.
 Gay marriage.
 2nd Amendment.
 Abortion.
I have a tough time w/ those last two. I am willing to see 2nd Amendment issues decided at the county level, but state level is too large.
Abortion is death, there is no real debate about that.

Quote:Support Smart Immigration Policies.
o Encourage legal immigration.
 Unskilled (Laborers.)
 Skilled (Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Business Owners etc.)
o Encourage American Citizenship through immigration policies.
 Unskilled (Three 2-year Labor Visa, then no more unless you become a citizen.)
 Skilled (One 6-year Skilled Visa, then no more unless you become a citizen.)
 Immediate American citizenship for solider and immediate blood family (wife, kids) with an Honorable Discharge or from any death while serving in the military.

Gonna have to have quotas in place. Gonna have to have effective deportation policies and penalties.

Quote:Support Trade Schools.
o Labor.
o Nursing.
o Other Vocational.

Support has as much to do w/ "attitude" as it does dollars. Education is a local issue, the Feds should back out to a large degree. Schools that adapt to market needs will survive, those that don't were stealing from the public anyway.
Reduce NSF and other university funding sources.

Quote:Support for Democracies worldwide.
o Including Israel.

There's nothing magical about "Democracy" and many facsist regimes hold the guise of democracy. I would simply encourage freedom in the US and abroad, and that includes freedom from statism.

Quote:Support Term Limits.
o Legislative.
o Judicial.

Our founding fathers had several clever ideas that we've tried to tweak, to our detriment. I say let judicial terms stand...but insist that justices do their job of interpreting the law, not trying to create it.

Quote:Start a new Civilian Conservation Corp as an option to continue to receive unemployment benefits

Agreed. Gov't bureaucracy and waste is what's killing the economy. Get productivity out of people, and things will bounce back.
Quote:o 8 weeks of unemployment benefits with no questions asked.

Most of these are State Level decisions.

Quote:Support allowing cousins to marry and immediately disband Toledo football.

I like seeing BG get a 'W' against Toledo. Plus Toledo Grads are going to be your biggest source for the new CCC.

Quote:Offer Statehood to
o Washington DC

Absolutely NOT! Simply add their votes to Maryland's tally, and give MD proper representation in the Electoral College. Problem solved.

Quote:o Puerto Rico

They need an "opt out" clause. The problem here is that we don't give trial periods. Let them be a state for 10-12 years, and then both sides can re-vote. Hell, every state ought to be allowed to opt out once every 20 years.

Quote:Support new technology and business expansion to emerging democracies.
o Help develop natural resources.
o Help develop people resources.
o Offer American managed nuclear, port, infrastructure and water desalinization technologies. Tax breaks for American companies that invest but use local labor.

Why presume we can do it all? If you support freedom, here and abroad, then industry will take these roles w/o gov't meddling.

Quote:Support domestic nuclear power
o Adapt the French model.

Plausible.

Quote:• Business X-Prize for certain private technology development.
o $10 Billion tax free
o Exclusive patent rights for 10 years.
o Public arena after 10 years.

Unnecessary. This just invites collusion and restricts innovation by having large levels of gov't regulation, and deep-pocketed litigators. Just let industry do what it is supposed to. There will be bumps in the road, it happened w/ plank roads, electricity, etc. But things got better. They're bad in telecon b/c the gov't is too deeply involved.
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RE: Your Ideal President
(07-14-2009 01:05 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 10:08 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Offer Statehood to
o Puerto Rico

I lived in PR for 4 years. Most of them don't want statehood. They either want independence or enhanced common wealth status (read: they get more money from us) The statehood debate has been played out down there and they don't want it. If they ever passed a plebiscite the independence people would freak out and probably get violent. Another thing is that wages in PR are really low. They would generate nothing in income tax but would suck money our of Washington like a vacuum.


They, like D.C. Statehood, would also add 2 Democrat Senators and 1 Democrat Congressman

British Columbia needs to gain indpendence from Canada and join the USA if we are going down this path. Perhaps take out the Castro Regime and let all the Cuban Americans who are wealthy now go back and resettle the place for eventual statehood also. Not to mention they would be re-claiming stolen private property


also, DC statehood is unconstitutional
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(07-13-2009 10:15 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 07:37 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are the qualities that you would look for in your ideal POTUS?


For me:

High level of national/international experience

High level of intellegence

Tendency towards common sense/prudence

Willingness to put "Country First" over ideological agendas

High level of national/international experience (it deserves to be listed twice, since we seem to have forgotten its importance in the era of Obama vs. Palin)

My ideal President:

GHW Bush was the guy who didn't like to read.

Frankly he never came across as particularly intelligent.

I don't know enough history, but Ike, Adams or Jefferson seemed alright.


I would argue that it takes a great deal of intellegence to be Director of the C.I.A.
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(07-13-2009 10:43 AM)GGniner Wrote:  except uh, Bush 41 supported the Iraq War and like many on the Left and Right realized they screwed up signing the Cease Fire Agreement with Saddam instead of removing him from power the first time around.

like all republicans, the Left only like Dead Republicans and those they removed from office, in a lame effort to influence others in their talking points against current republicans they want to defeat from office. Ignoring the insane hatred for them while they were in office.

First of all, I'm not "the left." Although, I find myself playing devil's advocate in many of my posts on this highly partisan board.

In hindsight, its easy to say H. W. Bush screwed up. But had he pursued Saddam into Iraq, he would have lost the coalition, and we would have been forced to handle the occupation and reconstruction on our own. His mandate and goal for the war was to get Saddam out of Kuwait.
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(07-14-2009 02:35 PM)dwr0109 Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 10:15 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  
(07-13-2009 07:37 AM)dwr0109 Wrote:  What are the qualities that you would look for in your ideal POTUS?


For me:

High level of national/international experience

High level of intellegence

Tendency towards common sense/prudence

Willingness to put "Country First" over ideological agendas

High level of national/international experience (it deserves to be listed twice, since we seem to have forgotten its importance in the era of Obama vs. Palin)

My ideal President:

GHW Bush was the guy who didn't like to read.

Frankly he never came across as particularly intelligent.

I don't know enough history, but Ike, Adams or Jefferson seemed alright.


I would argue that it takes a great deal of intellegence to be Director of the C.I.A.

All puns aside, I accept the Multiple Intelligences Theory as a useful model. Bush may have had the right skills for the CIA job, but that doesn't translate to the needs of POTUS.
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RE: Your Ideal President
Based on feedback, the second draft of the Spin Room Presidential Platform

Support Strong National Defense.
Maintain certain overseas bases after a combination security need / cost analysis.
Encourage new battlefield technologies, but understand we can’t cover every base at every time

Support a Flat Tax / Lower Tax / Education debt forgiveness
15% payroll tax, 15% consumption tax, 15% corporate tax
Allow tax deduction for any interest paid on debt.
Encourage small business development with massive tax breaks.
Federal education debt forgiveness after 10 years of work in certain areas (low income, teaching, medicine, vocation etc)

Support Smaller Government.
National Health Care based on the French Model.
No bailouts.
Less government management of capitalism.

Stay out of the personal lives of Americans.
Allow states to manage their population identities and demands.
Taxes.
Gay marriage.
2nd Amendment should be a federally protected, constitutionally mandated right
Abortion.

Support Smart Immigration Policies.
Encourage legal immigration with Quotas and Deportation policies.
Unskilled (Laborers.)
Skilled (Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Business Owners etc.)

Encourage American Citizenship through immigration policies.
Unskilled (Three 2-year Labor Visa, then no more unless you become a citizen.)
Skilled (One 6-year Skilled Visa, then no more unless you become a citizen.)
Immediate American citizenship for solider and immediate blood family (wife, kids) with an Honorable Discharge or from any death while serving in the military.

Support State and private trade schools.
Labor.
Nursing.
Other Vocational.

Start a new Civilian Conservation Corp as an option to continue to receive unemployment benefits
8 weeks of unemployment benefits with no questions asked.
Additional 8 weeks of unemployment benefits after weekly check-in with Unemployment Office to ensure you are looking for jobs.
Additional 16 weeks of unemployment benefits with a required 3 days a week in local CCC.
Have CCC incorporate vocational education.

Decriminalize recreational marijuana use

Support immediately disbanding Toledo football.

Support domestic nuclear power
Adapt the French model.

Business X-Prize for certain private technology development.
Needs more discussion.
$10 Billion tax free
Exclusive patent rights for 10 years.
Public arena after 10 years.

Work to make Mexico a trusted partner and ally on par with Canada.
Business investment.
Infrastructure investment.
Trade incentives.
Military and police training.
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RE: Your Ideal President
(07-14-2009 04:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Based on feedback, the second draft of the Spin Room Presidential Platform

Support Strong National Defense.
Maintain certain overseas bases after a combination security need / cost analysis.
Encourage new battlefield technologies, but understand we can’t cover every base at every time

Support a Flat Tax / Lower Tax / Education debt forgiveness
15% payroll tax, 15% consumption tax, 15% corporate tax
Allow tax deduction for any interest paid on debt.
Encourage small business development with massive tax breaks.
Federal education debt forgiveness after 10 years of work in certain areas (low income, teaching, medicine, vocation etc)

Support Smaller Government.
National Health Care based on the French Model.
No bailouts.
Less government management of capitalism.

Stay out of the personal lives of Americans.
Allow states to manage their population identities and demands.
Taxes.
Gay marriage.
2nd Amendment should be a federally protected, constitutionally mandated right
Abortion.

Support Smart Immigration Policies.
Encourage legal immigration with Quotas and Deportation policies.
Unskilled (Laborers.)
Skilled (Doctors, Engineers, Scientists, Business Owners etc.)

Encourage American Citizenship through immigration policies.
Unskilled (Three 2-year Labor Visa, then no more unless you become a citizen.)
Skilled (One 6-year Skilled Visa, then no more unless you become a citizen.)
Immediate American citizenship for solider and immediate blood family (wife, kids) with an Honorable Discharge or from any death while serving in the military.

Support State and private trade schools.
Labor.
Nursing.
Other Vocational.

Start a new Civilian Conservation Corp as an option to continue to receive unemployment benefits
8 weeks of unemployment benefits with no questions asked.
Additional 8 weeks of unemployment benefits after weekly check-in with Unemployment Office to ensure you are looking for jobs.
Additional 16 weeks of unemployment benefits with a required 3 days a week in local CCC.
Have CCC incorporate vocational education.

Decriminalize recreational marijuana use

Support immediately disbanding Toledo football.

Support domestic nuclear power
Adapt the French model.

Business X-Prize for certain private technology development.
Needs more discussion.
$10 Billion tax free
Exclusive patent rights for 10 years.
Public arena after 10 years.

Work to make Mexico a trusted partner and ally on par with Canada.
Business investment.
Infrastructure investment.
Trade incentives.
Military and police training.

if you did all the smaller government needs, we'd be able to fund the strong national defense. Plus our overseas bases are based on contracts with those governments, most of them the foreign govt. is paying some of the expenses.

We can probably fund more than we do anyway, well absent insane Obama spending
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(07-14-2009 04:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Business X-Prize for certain private technology development.
Needs more discussion.
$10 Billion tax free
Exclusive patent rights for 10 years.
Public arena after 10 years.

I'm sure there are lots of examples of why this is not a great idea, but let's start w/ one flaw: that someone knows what the answer is for a problem. Innovation doesn't always work that way.

In the 1990s the semiconductor industry was in hot competition in trying to determine the next standard for lithography: e beam or Deep UV. Pros and cons to each, and various major manufacturers had their investments, and of course plenty of NSF/university efforts. So who won?

Neither, someone w/ some basic optics experience started using immersion lithography and they stretched the lifetime of much of the current tooling! I think they inserted another design rule to accomodate this, but regardless, you put out that X-prize and you may overlook a much simpler soln.

Perhaps you think that's simply b/c the question was poorly stated. So let's consider another example. It was a hot topic to have window/glass coatings that were photoresponsive, that is darken w/ increased light. You've seen the glasses that do this, well the idea was to let windows to this to save electricity. But it turns out that it's a pretty hard problem to get the right photochemistry, and have it adhere well, and have it be durable, and affordable...the solution? A simple, very cheap photodiode and semiconductor chip that controls an LCD coating on the window.

Or again consider the desire for better film. Kodak spent a bundle on such developments, even into the 1990s. DOD and the Intelligence Community have applications that I'm sure wouldn't surprise you. So where does that prize go? Semiconductors again, Focal Plane Arrays.

It's hard to predict what solution will solve the real challenge. Wal Mart didn't innovate any products to beat the competition...they innovated w/ inventory control. We get lower prices, and in fact manufacturers (including US manufacturers) improved all of their production processes to meet the demands.

Anyway there's plenty available on this subject, but I'd caution against the Gov't deciding on what we need. Do we really need a 100mpg car? Or would safer bike paths solve the problem (and reduce obesity)?
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I certainly am in agreement that private industry inovates without any X-Prize. And I do understand the concern about how do you identify what is an X-Prize, and why should the government be involved.

But do you see no benefit to a government X-Prize for big ticket items like private space exploration, alternative energy development, poverty reduction, and life sciences? Especially when the award amount is enough to probably cover all development costs, and the award allows 10 years of patent rights?

Maybe the need for an X-Prize is not so much for the technology, but for the motivation.........
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RE: Your Ideal President
My ideal candidate would support the following platform:

Military and National Defense
o Supports a structured closing of all foreign soil military installations and the return of all troops stationed overseas. In addition, the candidate would support a reorganization of domestic base operations to provide a more cost efficient and capable defense network.

o Supports a responsible six-month withdrawal of all United States troops from Iraq. In addition, the candidate would support a policy to end the torture of political/foreign detainees and extradition of prisoners to countries without torture laws/regulations.

o Supports legislation to end the government's policy of no-bid contracts for the defense industry. The candidate would also support ratification of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty.


Healthcare
o Understands that the healthcare issue is a complex, multifaceted problem that has been caused by doctors, insurance companies, politicians, the AMA, the medical education system, etc.

o Supports a federal licensing program that would standardize licensing between states. In addition, the candidate would support a federal accreditation program that would allow any university that met the federal requirements to open a medical school. The candidate would also support the removal of the AMA from both of these processes.

o Supports a National Health Insurance System, not a Socialized Medical System. Socialized medicine is a system in which doctors and hospitals work for and draw salaries from the government. Socialized health insurance, on the other hand, is a system in which the government pays for care that is delivered in the private (mostly not-for-profit) sector. The government does not own or manage medical practices or hospitals. In addition, the candidate would support a federal policy to turn hospitals back into non-profit organizations. Hospital, like the police and firefighters, provide a vital public service that should not be commodified.

o Supports a policy ensuring that clinical decisions remain a private matter between doctor and patient. The same policy would ensure that benefit packages, hospital budgets, health planning, the distribution of expensive technology, and the total budget for health care is set through a public, democratic process.

o Supports a policy wherein all publicly funded research is regarded as public property. Open licensing agreements would be applied to all research institutions which receive federal grants and federal research dollars.


Immigration
o Supports a policy of making English the official legal language of the United States.

o Supports a tougher policy to target employers who hire illegal immigrants. In addition to drastically increases the fines associated with hiring illegal workers, I would also like to see the possibility of jail time for flagrant offenders.

o Supports a policy to allow legal, naturalized immigrants to run for president. In addition, the candidate would support a “path to citizenship” only under the following conditions:

(1) when the illegal immigrant has substantial and verifiable proof to claim political asylum, refugee status, etc. Under this scenario, an illegal immigrants would be granted citizenship provided that they:
a) Pay a fine plus any backed taxes, fees, etc for violating immigration laws.
b) Pass a verbal and written English competency test.
c) Pass a citizen exam (covering American government, citizen rights, American history, etc).
d) Maintain a criminal free record (no major misdemeanors or felonies) and obtain steady employment.
e) Successfully serve a 6 year military term or a 10 year public service term.

(2) when illegal immigrants offer to undergo a federal term of service (military, public works, etc). Under this scenario, I believe illegal immigrants should be granted citizenship provided that they:
a) Pay a fine plus any backed taxes, fees, etc for violating immigration laws.
b) Pass a verbal and written English competency test.
c) Pass a citizen exam (covering American government, citizen rights, American history, etc).
d) Maintain a criminal free record (no major misdemeanors or felonies) and obtain steady employment.
e) Successfully serve a 6 year military term or a 10 year public service term.

o Support a policy of revising the United States' immigration quotas to reflect modern demographic shifts.

o Encourage immigration and citizenship through visa program revisions (i.e. place time limits on visas, limit the number of visas an individual can obtain).



Environmental Policy
o Supports a policy prohibiting the Federal government from leasing publicly held land to logging, mining, oil, and natural resource companies for private profit. In addition, the candidate would support a policy to prevent additional road construction on public lands and remove many of the logging/mining roads that exist on them currently.

o Support a policy to end federal subsidities to the timber, oil, coal, and natural resource industries. This would eliminate all subsidies, tax breaks, or government sponsored incentives.

o Support a policy to fund renewable energy research and implement ways to reduce our dependency on oil (raise government mandated fuel efficiency rates, lower speed limits on interstates, etc).

o Support a policy to strengthen the Endangered Species Act, particularly in the area of EPA pesticide usage regulations. The candidate would also support a policy to strengthen the Clean Air Act and Clean Water Act, particularly in the areas of vehicle and power plant emissions, fuel efficiency standards, wetland restoration and protection, watershed conservation, and testing the environmental impact of newly developed chemicals.

o Support a policy to replenish the Superfund Trust Fund via an “environmental degradation fee”. This fee would be assessed to the major polluting and environmentally damaging industries (e.g. chemical manufacturers, coal companies, logging corporations, and oil and gas companies)

o Support tougher revisions for the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFÉ) program. In particular, the new revisions need to address two primary areas:

(1) Create a fuel efficiency mandate of 35 mpg by 2013 for all motor vehicles sold within the United States. Any vehicle which was rated below 35 mpg would be subject to environmental penalties and fees. This would also close loopholes exploited by the trucking industry and auto manufactures.

(2) Create “pollution penalties” for automobile manufactures that choose to produce fuel inefficient vehicles (less than 35 mpg) such as trucks, SUVs, Jeeps, or inefficient cars. An example of a fee would be a $2,000 pollution tax collected on each inefficient vehicle that is produced. In addition, the bill would also feature a scaling pollution tax for citizens that elect to buy fuel inefficient vehicles. Citizens who choose to purchase and/or maintain fuel inefficient vehicle would be required to pay a federal pollution tax when they register their vehicle each year. The amount of this tax would be scaled depending on how inefficient the vehicle was (i.e. how far below the mandate the vehicle actually was).

o Support passage of a “Clean Energy Act”. The CEA would target two primary areas:

(1) Renewable Energy. The CEA would mandate a national renewable electricity standard that would require 20% of our energy to come from renewable sources by 2020.

(2) Energy Efficiency. The CEA would mandate a national energy efficiency standard that would require 50% of appliances sold to be energy star rated by 2015 and 100% of appliances sold to be energy star rated by 2020. This provision would also mandate strict energy efficiency requirements for new homes and commercial developments.

o Support a policy to end commercial whaling both within the United States and internationally. The candidate would also support regulations to prevent the overfishing of North American fisheries.


Education
o Support a policy that would encourage states to adopt a Federal education program. This policy would include:

(1) Redistribution of educational funding. This provision would encourage a state-wide distribution system that provides an equal distribution of money to each school based on student population as opposed to the current district based distribution format.

(2) Bill of parent's rights. This provision would guarantee the right of parents to choose the kind of education that their children receive (i.e. private, home school, etc) so long as the educational requirements of the state are met. This provision would also ensure government support of public schools; but not private nor parochial schools.

o Support a policy to end school voucher programs as they undermine public schools without addressing the problem.

o Support a policy to outlaw predatory student college loan rates over 10%. I also believe that college loan practices are in serious need of government reform and oversight.

o Supports the teaching of actual science in science classroom (i.e supports the court ruling in the case of Kitzmiller v. Dover).

o Supports sexual health education for children once they reach the age of puberty. The candidate would support sexual education programs that discussed the use of contraceptives, the effectiveness of various forms of contraception, sexually transmitted diseases, and abstinence.

o Supports the complete separation of church and public schools. Religious activities and religious ideals would neither be condoned nor condemned by public education.

o Supports a policy to offer incentives for individuals who seek professional (doctor, nurses, research scientists, engineers, teachers, etc) or vocational training. This policy might include loan forgiveness, decreased interest rates, etc.


Social Policy
o Supports a policy that allows adults of full age, without any limitation due to race, color, nationality, sex, gender, sexual preference, political or other opinion, language, or religion, the right to form a civil union. This policy would allow domestic partner benefits to be extend to both heterosexual and homosexual couples that have formed a civil union.

o Support a policy to repeal laws regulating sexual relations between consenting adults. The government has no place in people's bedrooms.

o Support tax breaks on up to two children only to encourage responsible family planning.

o Support a policy that guarantees women of their reproductive rights, which includes access to sexual education; access to safe and legal abortion, contraception, and fertility treatments; and legal protection from forced abortion. I believe the government should guarantee a woman’s right to privacy.

o Support a policy that allows abortion until neurological activity begins (~25 weeks).

o Support a policy prohibiting the death penalty as punishment for crimes.


Government and Business Reform

o Supports policy to limit legislative and judicial terms.

o Supports decriminalization of marijuana.

o Support a federal policy that standardizes ballot access in all of the states. In addition, the policy would also remove information regarding a candidates political affiliation from ballets (i.e. it would simply list the office and the names of the candidates).

o Support campaign finance reform and full disclosure of campaign finances. This policy would also allow some free access to ballot qualified candidates on television and radio

o Support corporate business reform via the following policies:
(1) Ban corporate criminals from government contracts
(2) Crack down on corporate tax avoidance
(3) Allow shareholders a greater say in how a corporation is run (i.e.
the right to democratically nominate and elect the corporate board of directors, the right to vote on approval of all major business decision, the right to vote on pay increases and decreases for corporate executives, etc.)
(4) Expand Corporate Disclosure (i.e. corporate sunshine laws)
(5) Executive reform. Tax deductions for compensation 25 times above the compensation received by the lowest paid worker in a corporation would be eliminated, stock options would be counted on financial statements as an expense, etc.)
(6) Eliminate publicly funded bailouts.
(7) Grant workers the right to control their own 401(k) plans.
(8) Repeal the Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 which blocks defrauded investors from seeking private restitution.
(9) Regulate Derivatives Trading to ensure market transparency
(10) Separate commercial and investment banking services.

o Start a new Civilian Conservation Corp as an option to continue to receive unemployment benefits (an excellent idea IMO)

o Offer some form of representation to the residents of D.C. (either by assign D.C. to Maryland/Virginia for representation or allowing the city its own representatives)

o Offer Peurto Rico and other American territories that meet the minimum criteria the choice between statehood or independence.

o Support passage of an Employee Bill of Rights.

o Support tax reform that simplifies the system (either a straight flat tax or a progressive tax with extremely limited deductibles).
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RE: Your Ideal President
this seems appropriate:

Goldberg: We Need a Hero

Quote:My ideal platform may be right. But it is surely not popular.

By Jonah Goldberg

We conservatives are having one of our grand, knock-down, drag-out fights over the future of conservatism and the GOP. Should conservatives compromise on gay marriage or abortion rights? Should we jump on the environmental bandwagon? Are there ways to reform health care without abandoning our principles? What would Reagan do? What would William F. Buckley think? Would the Founding Fathers cry like that American Indian in the old anti-litter commercial?

Frankly, I love these arguments. I think they are healthy and good for conservatism and the country. One of the things I love about conservatives is that we have these internal debates more often than the Five Families went to war in The Godfather.

The mainstream perception that conservatives are close-minded and dogmatic while liberals are open-minded and free-thinking has it almost exactly backward. Liberal dogma is settled: The government should do good, where it can, whenever it can. That is President Obama’s idea of pragmatism and bipartisanship: He’s open to all ideas, from either side of the aisle, about how best to expand government and get the state more involved in our lives. Meanwhile, conservatism’s dogma remains forever in flux. We constantly debate the trade-offs between freedom and virtue, the conflicts between liberty and order.

See, I can’t stop myself from getting into this stuff.

But here’s the thing. One of the most important, yet most frequently violated, laws of punditry is that your own priorities and preferences aren’t always relevant. I would love it if the GOP dedicated itself to cutting government by two-thirds, leaving only a minimal social safety net, a big honking military, and a few other bells and whistles for promoting the general welfare. My ideal ticket in 2008 would have been Cheney-Gramm. That’s right, Dick Cheney and Phil Gramm: two old white guys who would crush our enemies and liberate our economy while shouting, “You kids get off my lawn!” at the filthy hippies who would inevitably accumulate outside the White House like so much bathroom fungus.

But you know what? It’s not about what I want. Gone are the days when a great but uncharismatic president like Calvin Coolidge could get elected because he promised to do as little as possible. (“Perhaps,” he observed, “one of the most important accomplishments of my administration has been minding my own business.”) My ideal platform may be right. (If I didn’t think it was, it wouldn’t be my ideal platform, now would it?) But it is surely not popular.

And that, I fear, may be the key word: “popular.” In my darker moods, I suspect that American politics, at least at the presidential level, is ultimately just a popularity contest. In the television age, the more personally charming guy wins — or, at minimum, has a monumental advantage.

Partisans on both sides tend to not like this argument for all sorts of reasons. For instance, they tend to like their candidates better than the other team’s. Of course, this is often just a rationalization. If you honestly believed that Michael Dukakis was a more likable guy than George H. W. Bush, or that Nixon would be a more entertaining drinking buddy than JFK, you should seek therapy, or a vigorous regimen of enemas, or both. The simple fact is that if John Kerry and Al Gore weren’t pompous human toothaches, they would have blown George W. Bush out of the water.

Also, partisans like to believe that whenever their guy wins, it’s because their ideas have been ratified by the American people, and whenever the other guy loses, they pronounce that the American people have resoundingly rejected this or that idea. Sometimes this is obviously true, but not nearly as often as we like to think. Obama, after all, promised over and over that his administration would provide a “net spending cut.” How’s that going?

Liberals bristled at — but didn’t really deny — the suggestion that voters preferred Bush because they’d rather “have a beer with him.” What they fail to fully appreciate is that many voters preferred Obama because they’d rather have a chardonnay with him than with that cranky John McCain. Obama’s winning personality and a widespread yearning for ill-defined “change” were probably more essential to Obama’s victory than his campaign proposals.

So what does this mean for conservatives? Well, it doesn’t mean that we should stop debating ideas. But it also probably means that we won’t have a chance to implement those ideas until the GOP finds a winning salesman or vessel for them, and that person doesn’t seem to exist right now. Again, I’m speaking to my fears, not my hopes.

On the bright side, nobody knew who the hell Barack Obama was the day before yesterday either
07-15-2009 12:18 PM
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