The way these trades often work is teams tell each other who they want. If they are able to get those players, then the trade goes forward. Grizz shouldn't trade picks without knowing guaranteed they will either get THE player they want or there are several players they will be satisfied with at that spot and there's a guarantee that at least one of them will be available.

Get Rubio or trade for for a quality, proven player or for a lottery pick next year. This draft isn't looking so good. Sure, someone will be a future star, but our chances of picking that person (past Griffin and Rubio) are very low.

hhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk no.

Trade Pick#2, Warrick, and Darko
for
Amar'e Stoudemire

That way you get rid of Darko, and FINALLY get a PF that's really really good, and you're team will win more games. Plus you get a back-up PG with the two other picks you have in the first round.

The Suns can then draft Rubio who I believe has been compared to Steve Nash (current PG) and Rubio can play as his back-up and learn from him until it's time for the Nash to step down, and Rubio takes over. So both teams win in this situation. Either way that's better than... kevin love...

(06-19-2009 03:48 PM)madtiger Wrote:  I'll also vow here and now to completely disown any knowledge or association or fandom of the Grizz if they do as the mock draft on nbadraft.net has them at right now.

If Thabeet is the pick, I'm done. He is an absolute disaster waiting to happen.

Minnesota won't trade two lottery picks (Love and this year's #6) for the #2.

That being said, I would absolutely trade the #2 for Kevin Love. And I would throw in whatever filler was necessary to make it work. If Love were in the draft this year, he would be the #2 or #3 highest-rated player//

The Grizzlies are committed to Conley (negating the need for Rubio), and Love fills the void at PF.

Trade Conley and the 2 for Love,the 6, and Carney

I'm starting to think Tyreke might be the best long term prospect in the draft, including Griffin. I think he will be a better shooter down the road and a all league defender as well.

Carney is actually an unrestricted free agent so he wouldn't be involved in any trades. I don't think Minnesota would trade Love or their #6 for the Grizz's #2 pick. Just can't see it happening. I'd prefer a trade with Sacramento so the Grizz could pick up a PF like Jason Thompson and draft Tyreke with the #4 pick.

And I would love to see Carney get signed to the roster and back up Rudy. Can Chris Wallace get on that asap?!

if thabeet or love's name are on the back of a grizz jersey next year we will be arguing about who to take with our lottery pick again

(06-20-2009 09:24 AM)MemphisFan95 Wrote:  if thabeet or love's name are on the back of a grizz jersey next year we will be arguing about who to take with our lottery pick again

I agree.

Say we trade away our #2 for Love and #6. Who is the best to pick at that position? Jordan Hill? HASHEEM FREAKING THABEET? In no circumstance would trading away our biggest bargaining chip be a good idea for Kevin Love. The only reason we should trade that away is if it is for Al Jefferson and we get to keep Conley (if we get rid of Conley for a PF, a SF, and a draft pick that we will probably end up with another PF or C then Mayo suddenly becomes a stretched-to-thin guard who is not happy).

I am suddenly alot warmed up to the idea of trading Darko and #2 for Sac-town for #4 ('Reke in essence) and Jason Thompson and then working from there.

I like the quote by Tony Barone about teams getting desperate after the draft is over, maybe we could make the best pick and wait it out for other teams to call on our name and see about trading Rubio.

(06-19-2009 08:36 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  Get Rubio or trade for for a quality, proven player or for a lottery pick next year. This draft isn't looking so good. Sure, someone will be a future star, but our chances of picking that person (past Griffin and Rubio) are very low.

How can you trade for a next year's lottery pick? You don't know who is gong to be bad enough to get the balls and what pick you end up with even if you do get a lottery. Would a 13 be good enough for you trade?

(06-19-2009 10:26 PM)mikeybmemphis Wrote:  hhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk no.

Trade Pick#2, Warrick, and Darko
for
Amar'e Stoudemire

That way you get rid of Darko, and FINALLY get a PF that's really really good, and you're team will win more games. Plus you get a back-up PG with the two other picks you have in the first round.

The Suns can then draft Rubio who I believe has been compared to Steve Nash (current PG) and Rubio can play as his back-up and learn from him until it's time for the Nash to step down, and Rubio takes over. So both teams win in this situation. Either way that's better than... kevin love...

and then after the 09-10 season we'd be left with nothing :-(

In my opinion, we're another year away from making a huge risky move like this. OJ, Gay, Conley, and Gasol need another year to be ready for the addition of adding a huge big time player to make a playoff run.

We could either take the 2nd pick or trade it for someone who will stick with us more than a year to be a vital player on future teams while signing a player like Amare after next season and not have to give up a fourth of our team.

(06-20-2009 01:48 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(06-19-2009 08:36 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  Get Rubio or trade for for a quality, proven player or for a lottery pick next year. This draft isn't looking so good. Sure, someone will be a future star, but our chances of picking that person (past Griffin and Rubio) are very low.

How can you trade for a next year's lottery pick? You don't know who is gong to be bad enough to get the balls and what pick you end up with even if you do get a lottery. Would a 13 be good enough for you trade?

You take a calculated risk and trade with a team with a history of sucking or one that looks as if they will next year. It's a high risk/high reward situation.

(06-20-2009 02:51 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  

(06-20-2009 01:48 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(06-19-2009 08:36 PM)Dak10 Wrote:  Get Rubio or trade for for a quality, proven player or for a lottery pick next year. This draft isn't looking so good. Sure, someone will be a future star, but our chances of picking that person (past Griffin and Rubio) are very low.

How can you trade for a next year's lottery pick? You don't know who is gong to be bad enough to get the balls and what pick you end up with even if you do get a lottery. Would a 13 be good enough for you trade?

You take a calculated risk and trade with a team with a history of sucking or one that looks as if they will next year. It's a high risk/high reward situation.

Sorry, no way. Too many risks. Too many unknowns.

(06-20-2009 01:12 AM)toddbotm Wrote:  Carney is actually an unrestricted free agent so he wouldn't be involved in any trades. I don't think Minnesota would trade Love or their #6 for the Grizz's #2 pick. Just can't see it happening. I'd prefer a trade with Sacramento so the Grizz could pick up a PF like Jason Thompson and draft Tyreke with the #4 pick.

And I would love to see Carney get signed to the roster and back up Rudy. Can Chris Wallace get on that asap?!

It's nice to show Carney some love but he is a throw in as part of any trade or as you said he is a UFA and can be picked up for cheap money. His stats don't hold up a major in any deal.

(06-19-2009 10:26 PM)mikeybmemphis Wrote:  hhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeccccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk no.

Trade Pick#2, Warrick, and Darko
for
Amar'e Stoudemire

That way you get rid of Darko, and FINALLY get a PF that's really really good, and you're team will win more games. Plus you get a back-up PG with the two other picks you have in the first round.

The Suns can then draft Rubio who I believe has been compared to Steve Nash (current PG) and Rubio can play as his back-up and learn from him until it's time for the Nash to step down, and Rubio takes over. So both teams win in this situation. Either way that's better than... kevin love...

Stoudemire has been good when he plays but he also has been injured....a lot! The Grizz have had their share of of players with big salaries that can' play.
Big Country
Dickerson
Cardinal

AS is too big a risk to give away the store. Big money for a short term FA contract maybe.

(06-20-2009 03:25 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(06-20-2009 01:12 AM)toddbotm Wrote:  Carney is actually an unrestricted free agent so he wouldn't be involved in any trades. I don't think Minnesota would trade Love or their #6 for the Grizz's #2 pick. Just can't see it happening. I'd prefer a trade with Sacramento so the Grizz could pick up a PF like Jason Thompson and draft Tyreke with the #4 pick.

And I would love to see Carney get signed to the roster and back up Rudy. Can Chris Wallace get on that asap?!

It's nice to show Carney some love but he is a throw in as part of any trade or as you said he is a UFA and can be picked up for cheap money. His stats don't hold up a major in any deal.

He has proven he can put up solid numbers when given minutes though. He and Rudy are definitely two of the most athletic SF's in the league.

Of Course his stats won't hold up in a trade deal... I'm not saying that Carney would be part of any trade. I think the Grizzlies should bring him in for a workout and go from there. I think that, given the opportunity, he could be a good backup in the league and fit in quite nicely here in Memphis if they sign him as a free agent.

(06-20-2009 03:51 PM)GoTigersJoe87 Wrote:  

(06-20-2009 03:25 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  

(06-20-2009 01:12 AM)toddbotm Wrote:  Carney is actually an unrestricted free agent so he wouldn't be involved in any trades. I don't think Minnesota would trade Love or their #6 for the Grizz's #2 pick. Just can't see it happening. I'd prefer a trade with Sacramento so the Grizz could pick up a PF like Jason Thompson and draft Tyreke with the #4 pick.

And I would love to see Carney get signed to the roster and back up Rudy. Can Chris Wallace get on that asap?!

It's nice to show Carney some love but he is a throw in as part of any trade or as you said he is a UFA and can be picked up for cheap money. His stats don't hold up a major in any deal.

He has proven he can put up solid numbers when given minutes though. He and Rudy are definitely two of the most athletic SF's in the league.

7pts, 2 boards 35% 3 pt % 42% from the floor. Not much difference in his stats this year and overall for his career.

(06-19-2009 02:04 PM)IBleedBlue Wrote:  yep....but the NTR police are about to tackle you

just so you know, the NTR police has a special unit called the NTR AnyWordAboutThe GrizzliesGetsMoved. The unit is a small group.

Tigerx3, let's just wait and see what the draft holds for us. Be sure though to check back on the NTR Sports Forum for further details on what our Grizz are going to do.