Can someone explain how we can try a case against a Somali pirate in the USA? What am I missing?

I really do not know, but as soon as the pirate came aboard the Mersk ship, and then the US Military ship, Bainbridge, was it (?), he was subject to our laws and also international law.

A few weeks ago, I looked at the international laws regarding piracy. Note that I say I looked at them, not that I understood them (I'm not a lawyer). But, I believe under international law, trying them in your home country when you catch a pirate is one of several options. Walking the plank is apparently out of favor.

Lets see... Piracy ...conspiracy to seize a ship by force, use of a firearm in commission of felony, kidnapping, etc., all under Federal law.

Jurisdiction: US Flagged vessel, US Citizen hostage.

They put him in New York City because the FBI runs all their African operations out of New York City.

One bullet, one pistol, one person. That should have been his trial.

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Did any one else here see this Defiant Little Bastard smiling like a Canary Eatin' Cat when they were doing the Perp Walk for the MSM Camera's ???

That smile alone should tell most intelligent people out there, that this is a Dangerous Murderer that will kill you and never give it a 2nd thought.

But I am sure there are 100 Brand Name Lawyers, lined up and fighting like ******* to represent this piece of Somali Sh't for 100% Free.

And it will be another Farce that will cost the Tax Payers Half a Billion Dollars and fill the day with TV Coverage.

I figure Obamagog has the boy's Full Pardon sitting on his desk as we speak and is just freggin dying to sign it so they can move on to the "Soros Trials" of Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld .... screw the Murdering Pirate, lets bag us a Former President, Vice Pres, and SecDef instead !!!!

May Obamagog REAP WHAT HE SOWS BY 1 TRILLION TIMES Infinity .....

O.J. "Somali" Simpson any one ???

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He's gonna get death, no questions about it. That's seems to be the standard punishment for piracy these days. An example will be made though, just like the saddam trial.

(04-23-2009 01:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  He's gonna get death, no questions about it. That's seems to be the standard punishment for piracy these days. An example will be made though, just like the saddam trial.

He won't get death. He didn't kill anyone. I think he will be doing at least 20 in the Supermax though. After a couple of years there, he will wish he was one of his buddies on the lifeboat.

I thought piracy was death regardless.

(04-23-2009 07:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I thought piracy was death regardless.

If he gets his trial moved to California he'll be aquited and will have his own TV reality show....Oh, and millions in lawsuits.

Loonies in New York might have him an acquittal also. Send him to Texas.

(04-23-2009 07:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2009 01:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  He's gonna get death, no questions about it. That's seems to be the standard punishment for piracy these days. An example will be made though, just like the saddam trial.

He won't get death. He didn't kill anyone. I think he will be doing at least 20 in the Supermax though. After a couple of years there, he will wish he was one of his buddies on the lifeboat.

I fear this kid will become a cause celeb........ and this trial will be regular circus.

** He's not a pirate, he's a "fisherman" caught up with the wrong crowd.

** The military went against their word when they arrested him while he was under a flag of truce.

** He had a blindfold put on his head and was handcuffed while in custody = directly analogous to Abu Ghraib,

** His poor parents, he has a little brother who looks up to him,

** This is only making more pirates,

** What are the root causes of piratism,

** The West has abandoned Africa because we are racist,

** The West should get out of Africa because we are nothing but Colonialist,

** Free Mumia

and finally,

this pirates trial is about the oil.....

Shooting African teenager 'pirates' in the Head: Good

Increasing Renditions(which lead to real torture): Good

Sucking a baby being born brains out: Good

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Using SERE Waterboarding against 3 top level Al-Qaeda operatives to get intel on: Bad


Thus the Logic of today's Liberals....no telling what they do with this pirate.

(04-24-2009 08:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(04-23-2009 07:06 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2009 01:07 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  He's gonna get death, no questions about it. That's seems to be the standard punishment for piracy these days. An example will be made though, just like the saddam trial.

He won't get death. He didn't kill anyone. I think he will be doing at least 20 in the Supermax though. After a couple of years there, he will wish he was one of his buddies on the lifeboat.

I fear this kid will become a cause celeb........ and this trial will be regular circus.

** He's not a pirate, he's a "fisherman" caught up with the wrong crowd.

** The military went against their word when they arrested him while he was under a flag of truce.

** He had a blindfold put on his head and was handcuffed while in custody = directly analogous to Abu Ghraib,

** His poor parents, he has a little brother who looks up to him,

** This is only making more pirates,

** What are the root causes of piratism,

** The West has abandoned Africa because we are racist,

** The West should get out of Africa because we are nothing but Colonialist,

** Free Mumia

and finally,

this pirates trial is about the oil.....

Well I for one, think we need to go after all that Somali Oil even if we have to Nuke all of 'em off the Face of the Earth !!!!!

Am I right or wrong Robert ????

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(04-23-2009 07:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I thought piracy was death regardless.

If that is the case, a whole lot of us have to worry. Damn Napster.

(04-24-2009 08:40 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  ** He's not a pirate, he's a "fisherman" caught up with the wrong crowd.

** The military went against their word when they arrested him while he was under a flag of truce.

** He had a blindfold put on his head and was handcuffed while in custody = directly analogous to Abu Ghraib,

** His poor parents, he has a little brother who looks up to him,

** This is only making more pirates,

** What are the root causes of piratism,

** The West has abandoned Africa because we are racist,

** The West should get out of Africa because we are nothing but Colonialist,

** Free Mumia

and finally,

this pirates trial is about the oil.....

(04-24-2009 01:51 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Loonies in New York might have him an acquittal also. Send him to Texas.

I think you hit on something here and that is the potential jury pool. Law abiding Texans would probably sentence him to death during his arraignment and execute him before lunch time. In California and NY a conviction would be a coin toss. You know the pirate is going to be a celebrity in either of those markets.

The headline never should have been "3 pirates killed and one captured." It should have said "Captain saved, 4 pirates dead." This country has a history of making our problems drag on and on when there's a quicker, easier and cheaper solution. The guy is a pirate, what rights does he have?