They were 8% of the elctorate in 2004. They were 17% of the electorate in 2008. I for one am glad they are going Democrat. Every Mexican American that I know works their tail off. They have great family values. Hopefully that can change some of the perception of the Democrats. I can't stand the stereotype of D's as welfare kings and queens. This past week I poured a 16x20 concrete pad.. I'm putting up a two story barn. Mainly for storage when Kyra gets home. I formed it up and I called the local concrete distributor for a guy to help me out. I wanted a quality worker for a good price. The guy gave me a name. Guy was an Mexican American. He brought his boy with him. Every step was with a purpose. The guy only charged me 250 bucks for about 6 hour of hard labor. His tools, his expertise. I took his card. If anybody needs concrete work in the Sandusky, Toledo area let me know. I have the guy for you.

(04-20-2009 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They were 8% of the elctorate in 2004. They were 17% of the electorate in 2008. I for one am glad they are going Democrat. Every Mexican American that I know works their tail off. They have great family values. Hopefully that can change some of the perception of the Democrats. I can't stand the stereotype of D's as welfare kings and queens. This past week I poured a 16x20 concrete pad.. I'm putting up a two story barn. Mainly for storage when Kyra gets home. I formed it up and I called the local concrete distributor for a guy to help me out. I wanted a quality worker for a good price. The guy gave me a name. Guy was an Mexican American. He brought his boy with him. Every step was with a purpose. The guy only charged me 250 bucks for about 6 hour of hard labor. His tools, his expertise. I took his card. If anybody needs concrete work in the Sandusky, Toledo area let me know. I have the guy for you.

I assume he's a US citizen and union member.

add to that, an actual mexican.

immigrants from El Salvador, Guatamela, Panama, etc....get pretty pissed when you call them a 'mexican'

(04-20-2009 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They were 8% of the elctorate in 2004. They were 17% of the electorate in 2008. I for one am glad they are going Democrat. Every Mexican American that I know works their tail off. They have great family values. Hopefully that can change some of the perception of the Democrats. I can't stand the stereotype of D's as welfare kings and queens. This past week I poured a 16x20 concrete pad.. I'm putting up a two story barn. Mainly for storage when Kyra gets home. I formed it up and I called the local concrete distributor for a guy to help me out. I wanted a quality worker for a good price. The guy gave me a name. Guy was an Mexican American. He brought his boy with him. Every step was with a purpose. The guy only charged me 250 bucks for about 6 hour of hard labor. His tools, his expertise. I took his card. If anybody needs concrete work in the Sandusky, Toledo area let me know. I have the guy for you.

I think a lot of it depends on how long they have been in the country and whether they are legal or illegal. The longer they have been here(especially if they are second or 3rd generation) the more they emulate the other workers. Of course, this isn't always true. I know a guy(legal) who works his butt off at work and worked his butt off to get his GED.

Wait, you are from the Toledo area? I am sorry. Btw, I thought Toledo was all concrete already, where could you possibly put more? THe Bowling Green football stadium parking lot could use some(as well as trees).

There just has to be a place in America for someone who works his ass off to make a better life. I really think the GOP is missing the boat here.

(04-20-2009 02:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There just has to be a place in America for someone who works his ass off to make a better life. I really think the GOP is missing the boat here.

No Mach, the GOP just wants the Immigrants to become 'Legal' and not break the law.

Look, my family came from Ireland and they did it right so the rest of us could "Have it Right" .... why do we have such a Problem with Mexicans not wanting to "Do It Right" and the frekkin Lib's wanting to Keep Them Illegal just explodes my brain man ....

If the Dem's so badly want this Huge Immigrant Base infusing into the U.S. Citizen Base, WHY NOT DO ALL YOU CAN TO HELP THEM BECOME LEGAL CITIZENS ???

It is almost as if there is a Conspiracy to keep them Illegal and keep them down for what ever reason.

If they come in and LEGALLY Contribute to the Economy, then they are no burden on Society, it is when they Stay Illegal and get everything for free that they Bankrupt the System and Piss Everyone Off.

I am 5th Generation Irish and I can't just go jump off the boat in Ireland and instantly become an Irish Citizen, so why should we allow ANYONE to stay in the U.S. Illegally when they can Do It Right like my Irish family did ????

Political Power Play by the Dem's to get Legal Hispanic Family Members to Vote Democrat to save their Illegal Cousins is all I can believe this is. That is one Powerful Voting Block and Wealthy Lobby for the Dem's if they stay Illegal, yet Dependent on Freebies.

Now that's a scam and a sham and that is why Conservatives are against it. Not because we don't want more Citizens ....

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(04-20-2009 02:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There just has to be a place in America for someone who works his ass off to make a better life. I really think the GOP is missing the boat here.

The people you just described are conservatives. It's your Doonsebury world where the successful people don't work hard, not ther real one. Why do you think Schadenfreud was so liberal? He never had to do a whole lot of work, and he never realized that other people do actually work.

And that's why most vote GOP.

You're just not used to seeing them b/c there aren't a whole lot who are gov't employees.

The rest of us just want them to be legal. You get rid of welfare, high taxes and complicated/burdensome regulation, and you'd have many more people like this.

But now, if you follow the rules, you get hammered.

I think I get your point Torch. Believe it or not 85% of my co workers are Republicans. They've been shoving Strickland in my face the last week. State Dems are supposedly trying to let the state set the calendar over contracts. They are trying to add 20 days to our work calendar for the same pay. I had 10 righties with a newspaper at my door throughout the day. Obama has been gunning for teachers too in some of his adresses.

Great! Now you are undermining the American worker in a recession!

As a side note, your experience may not be the norm.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?f...geId=95464

(04-20-2009 03:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I think I get your point Torch. Believe it or not 85% of my co workers are Republicans. They've been shoving Strickland in my face the last week. State Dems are supposedly trying to let the state set the calendar over contracts. They are trying to add 20 days to our work calendar for the same pay. I had 10 righties with a newspaper at my door throughout the day. Obama has been gunning for teachers too in some of his adresses.

Strickland's plan fits right in w/ Duncan's. Neither one can fund it, but both can make overtures about how much they want to do. It just adds to the strife throughout the country, b/c public schools are very local, and you start stirring that up, you occupy many people's time and attention...resources that aren't available to keep the gov't reined in in other areas.

My point is more toward the bloated, excessive bureaucracy seen in DC. Why does Fairfax County have the highest household income in the country? (With other local counties in the top 10). Why do these counties operate at a surplus, despite spending to extravagance? (Hint: it's b/c their residents, largely gov't employees and contractors, make a very good living.) Do you think Sandusky, Wood, etc would like to have some of that back?
And what political party now dominates these county positions?

I also call out Schadenfreude b/c it dawned on me at some point why we never communicated. Different experiences. Sure, that's obvious, but what I realized is that most in the media (think Olbermann) did nothing in college except drink, watch basketball, and re-write a few HS caliber essays. What I finally realized is that they never worked, yet they have it comfy and easy, so they think it should be that way for everyone. They just can't believe that other people do actual work.

And yeah, I think labor union members are largely the same way.

http://www.limaohio.com/news/contract_36...husky.html

But, I won't pick on just the worker. Big business LOVES regulation, it's a barrier to competition.
http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/20...iness.html

(04-20-2009 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They were 8% of the elctorate in 2004. They were 17% of the electorate in 2008. I for one am glad they are going Democrat. Every Mexican American that I know works their tail off. They have great family values. Hopefully that can change some of the perception of the Democrats. I can't stand the stereotype of D's as welfare kings and queens. This past week I poured a 16x20 concrete pad.. I'm putting up a two story barn. Mainly for storage when Kyra gets home. I formed it up and I called the local concrete distributor for a guy to help me out. I wanted a quality worker for a good price. The guy gave me a name. Guy was an Mexican American. He brought his boy with him. Every step was with a purpose. The guy only charged me 250 bucks for about 6 hour of hard labor. His tools, his expertise. I took his card. If anybody needs concrete work in the Sandusky, Toledo area let me know. I have the guy for you.

Let the Dems legalize'em and start taxing'em. You'll see how fast it takes to turn hard workers into conservatives.

(04-20-2009 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They were 8% of the elctorate in 2004. They were 17% of the electorate in 2008. I for one am glad they are going Democrat. Every Mexican American that I know works their tail off. They have great family values. Hopefully that can change some of the perception of the Democrats. I can't stand the stereotype of D's as welfare kings and queens. This past week I poured a 16x20 concrete pad.. I'm putting up a two story barn. Mainly for storage when Kyra gets home. I formed it up and I called the local concrete distributor for a guy to help me out. I wanted a quality worker for a good price. The guy gave me a name. Guy was an Mexican American. He brought his boy with him. Every step was with a purpose. The guy only charged me 250 bucks for about 6 hour of hard labor. His tools, his expertise. I took his card. If anybody needs concrete work in the Sandusky, Toledo area let me know. I have the guy for you.

I have nothing against the Latino community. My church even has an extensive outreach program for Latino's. I do have a problem with folks that are not willing to follow LEGAL channels to live the American dream. I will be the first to admit that Latin Americans will work harder, and do jobs no one in the US wanted for less pay than was fair. However, we have laws in place that should not be modified and unfortunately IF they are enforced, I9, many Latino's will be out of work and their best option will be to leave and try to return LEGALLY. Enforcement of these laws is the best way to protect the US from criminals that sneak in with the hard working family oriented individuals. With no background check there is no way to stop convicted felons from coming here to continue their criminal ways.

(04-20-2009 02:14 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  There just has to be a place in America for someone who works his ass off to make a better life. I really think the GOP is missing the boat here.

1. I am all for anyone who wants to be in the U.S. and work for a living.

2. I am all for shipping out anyone who isn't, including those who are citizens.

3. $250 for 6 hours work is a good deal? No wonder Ohio is in bad shape.

4. 6 hours for 320 square feet? Me and 2 (non-hispanic) friends poured 1500 square feet in less than 8.

(04-20-2009 05:13 PM)Rebel Wrote:  

(04-20-2009 09:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  They were 8% of the elctorate in 2004. They were 17% of the electorate in 2008. I for one am glad they are going Democrat. Every Mexican American that I know works their tail off. They have great family values. Hopefully that can change some of the perception of the Democrats. I can't stand the stereotype of D's as welfare kings and queens. This past week I poured a 16x20 concrete pad.. I'm putting up a two story barn. Mainly for storage when Kyra gets home. I formed it up and I called the local concrete distributor for a guy to help me out. I wanted a quality worker for a good price. The guy gave me a name. Guy was an Mexican American. He brought his boy with him. Every step was with a purpose. The guy only charged me 250 bucks for about 6 hour of hard labor. His tools, his expertise. I took his card. If anybody needs concrete work in the Sandusky, Toledo area let me know. I have the guy for you.

Let the Dems legalize'em and start taxing'em. You'll see how fast it takes to turn hard workers into conservatives.

Ditto...The plantation has plenty more room.

Here in So Cal the best worker you can get is a Mexican. You want one that came from Mexico and still has a strong accent. Those folks have family values and accept responsibility and accountibility and understand the importance of having a job. Once they get Americanized they're just as useless as black and white people. Go ahead, hammer me with racist comments.

(04-20-2009 09:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Here in So Cal the best worker you can get is a Mexican. You want one that came from Mexico and still has a strong accent. Those folks have family values and accept responsibility and accountibility and understand the importance of having a job. Once they get Americanized they're just as useless as black and white people. Go ahead, hammer me with racist comments.

Steve, why do you hate your own people? Racist!!!

(04-20-2009 09:13 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(04-20-2009 09:01 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Here in So Cal the best worker you can get is a Mexican. You want one that came from Mexico and still has a strong accent. Those folks have family values and accept responsibility and accountibility and understand the importance of having a job. Once they get Americanized they're just as useless as black and white people. Go ahead, hammer me with racist comments.

Steve, why do you hate your own people? Racist!!!

Hey Paul, didn't you know, there is no racism against white people - or at least that's what Sharpton told Bill O'Rielly.