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The Messiah has no Clothes---Obama drops to 50-50 in the Polls.
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Poll of change: Obama’s job approval slipping to ‘50-50’
Tuesday, March 24, 2009


The honeymoon is over, according to a national poll out today as President Obama’s job approval stumbles to about 50 percent over the lack of improvement with the crippled economy. :ncaabbs:

The sobering numbers come as the president backpedals from two prime-time gaffes - one comparing his bowling score to a Special Olympian and another awkwardly laughing about the economy, which prompted Steve Kroft of “60 Minutes” to ask “are you punch-drunk?”

Pollster John Zogby said his poll will show Americans split on the president’s performance. He said the score factors out to “about 50-50.”

The poll, released this afternoon, shows the president’s “excellent or good” job performance rating hitting 49 percent, down 3 points from a March 5 Zogby poll. Other poll highlights include:

• 50 percent rate Obama’s performance as “fair or good.”

• 1 percent are not sure about the president’s performance.

• 45 percent believe the nation is heading in the right direction, an upward trend.

• 91 percent of Democrats rate the president favorably.

• 14 percent of Republicans support his performance in office.
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Some polls show Obama coasting with a 65 percent job approval, but not in Zogby’s tally.

“The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

Zogby said any stumbling does serve as “red-meat fodder” for administration antagonists.

As for the president’s love of the limelight, it could backfire, according to a media watcher.

“I thought he overexposed himself weeks ago,” said Tobe Berkovitz, associate dean of Boston University’s College of Communication.

“I wonder when the public will say ‘Instead of being in front of the camera, be in front of a spreadsheet.’ ”

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_poli...position=1
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(03-25-2009 08:39 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  “The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

Fisrt Obama says he can fix the economy but when he continues to say he inherited the problem it sounds like he can't. People are finally figuring out that Obama's economic skills are akin to a 1st grader taking a college entrance exam.

(03-25-2009 08:39 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  “I wonder when the public will say ‘Instead of being in front of the camera, be in front of a spreadsheet.’ ”

We've been saying it. This guy needs to become a member of this forum.
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Zogby has the reputation of being somewhat right-leaning, so this will be discredited by many. But regardless of exactly where the numbers are, I think all the polls seem to be showing some consistent trends.

One thing that I find interesting is that Obama's negatives seem to be climbing in almost every poll. Even the ones that show his positives holding steadier than this, the negatives seem to be on a clearly upward trend. Obviously, the negatives can't keep climbing without eventually causing the positives to decline. We are in for interesting times.

What do you think is the over and under for his consensus approval rating at the end of this month? June? September? December? March 2010? Quarterly thereafter?
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(03-25-2009 10:17 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(03-25-2009 08:39 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  “The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

Fisrt Obama says he can fix the economy but when he continues to say he inherited the problem it sounds like he can't. People are finally figuring out that Obama's economic skills are akin to a 1st grader taking a college entrance exam.

(03-25-2009 08:39 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  “I wonder when the public will say ‘Instead of being in front of the camera, be in front of a spreadsheet.’ ”

We've been saying it. This guy needs to become a member of this forum.
Well, he is trying to fix the economy but as he has always said, it will take some time to get it turned around. If people expected a turnaround in a few months to a roaring economy, well, they aren't living in reality(ie. you).

Yeah, going out and listening to the citizens is a horrible thing. He should just sit in the White House(or one of his many vacation spots) and be the "Decider in Chief" like Bush who lost touch with what the country was thinking. I think you will find that as time goes on he will be doing less and less on the road with the citizens but not cut it off completely.
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(03-25-2009 02:04 PM)RobertN Wrote:  Yeah, going out and listening to the citizens is a horrible thing. He should just sit in the White House(or one of his many vacation spots) and be the "Decider in Chief" like Bush who lost touch with what the country was thinking. I think you will find that as time goes on he will be doing less and less on the road with the citizens but not cut it off completely.

Listening? Like the way he listened to Joe the Plumber? He applied for a job and got hired, now it's time to do it. The only good thing about him being on TV so much is it gives him less time to spend money.
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(03-25-2009 02:04 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(03-25-2009 10:17 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(03-25-2009 08:39 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  “The numbers are going down,” Zogby told the Herald. “It’s not because of the gaffes, but a combination of high expectations and that things aren’t moving fast enough with the economy.”

Fisrt Obama says he can fix the economy but when he continues to say he inherited the problem it sounds like he can't. People are finally figuring out that Obama's economic skills are akin to a 1st grader taking a college entrance exam.

(03-25-2009 08:39 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  “I wonder when the public will say ‘Instead of being in front of the camera, be in front of a spreadsheet.’ ”

We've been saying it. This guy needs to become a member of this forum.
Well, he is trying to fix the economy but as he has always said, it will take some time to get it turned around. If people expected a turnaround in a few months to a roaring economy, well, they aren't living in reality(ie. you).

Yeah, going out and listening to the citizens is a horrible thing.

He's not listening to me. Yeah, I think it's horrible to listen to a bunch of people blaming other people for the mess they got themselves into.

At any rate Robert, you bring this up a lot. If you desperate to be heard, buy a dog...but don't vote him as president.
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Zogby is a joke.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/w...again.html

It's an outlier poll. We all know that Zogby was way off on Election Day and other elections.

Zogby/Rasmussen are Fox News polls who worship Bush/Rush, never take them seriously.
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(03-25-2009 02:25 PM)RockyMtnRamfan Wrote:  Zogby is a joke.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/w...again.html

It's an outlier poll. We all know that Zogby was way off on Election Day and other elections.

Zogby/Rasmussen are Fox News polls who worship Bush/Rush, never take them seriously.

Yeah, they're not unbiased like the NY Times....
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imagine how bad Obama's numbers would be if not for the MSM
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The Teleprompter President


The Obama Press Conference... A Cornucopia of !%&&%#*

Posted By Bobby Eberle On March 25, 2009 at 7:03 am

President Obama went before the American people (again) in order to pitch his brand of socialist policies. His budget has come under attack, as I reported yesterday, and on Tuesday night, Obama tried to clarify why massive government spending and saddling America with unprecedented levels of debt are justified.

A number of statements and comments really caught my attention. From Obama saying that his administration needs to make some "tough budgetary choices" to a his comment that there will be "zero growth" if his agenda is not passed, there were plenty of sound bites to make the American people shudder. Please Republicans... step forward and lead... we can't let Obama take us down the path to socialism.


First, a note about the teleprompter... As reported in the Associated Press story on GOPUSA, Obama had a new teleprompter in place to deliver his opening remarks. As the AP notes, "President Barack Obama took no chances in his second prime-time news conference, reading a prepared statement in which he took both sides of the AIG bonus brouhaha and asked an anxious nation for its patience."

Next, how about a quick fact check. As noted in the AP "fact check" story, Obama notes that recovery from the recession "will take time, it will take patience." Yet, his own budget predicts a relatively quick end to the recession with "solid 3.2 percent growth for 2010, followed by three years of more than 4 percent growth each year." He uses these numbers to support his budget that adds trillions to the national debt. As I noted yesterday, the Congressional Budget Office predicts even more debt than Obama does... a debt that would cripple this nation.

The AP next focuses on Obama's statement that in the budget, "we have made the tough choices necessary to cut our deficit in half by the end of my first term even under the most pessimistic estimates." In reality, "Not all credible estimates foresee a deficit halved in that time."

In one exchange, Obama was asked about his budget which breaks new records in deficit spending. The reporter quoted Obama from just last week when he said, "I didn't run for president to pass on our problems to the next generation." Well, that is EXACTLY what he is doing... in addition to raising taxes and imposing more big government on the American people now. The reporter went on:

But under your budget, the debt will increase $7 trillion over the next 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office says $9.3 trillion. And today on Capitol Hill, some Republicans called your budget, with all the spending on health care, education and environment, the most irresponsible budget in American history.

Isn't that kind of debt exactly what you were talking about when you said passing on our problems to the next generation?

Side note: If Obama's budgets are put in place, America will reach the point where it is paying more each year on the interest to the national debt than it is paying for national defense. Talk about throwing money away. We simply can't keep borrowing and borrowing.

Obama began his response to the question by saying, "First of all, I suspect that some of those Republican critics have a short memory, because as I recall, I'm inheriting a $1.3 trillion deficit, annual deficit, from them. That would be point number one."

Excuse me... but the last several budgets that were passed were voted on by a Democrat-led House and a Democrat-led Senate. What you inherited was the result of a Republican president and Democrats in Congress, so at least be honest with the American people.

Obama then goes on to compare his deficit numbers with those of the CBO:

Where the dispute comes in is what happens in a whole bunch of out years. And the main difference between the budget that we presented and the budget that came out of Congressional Budget Office is assumptions about growth.

They're assuming a growth rate of 2.2. We're assuming a growth rate of 2.6. Those small differences end up adding up to a lot of money. Our assumptions are perfectly consistent with what blue chip forecasters out there are saying.

The main point I'd like to make here is, "Who cares if Obama's numbers turn out better than CBO's!!!" Obama's numbers still lead to $7 trillion in additional debt.

I could go on and on regarding what Obama said and what it means for the country, but let me tie two more items together. First, it's this quote from Obama:

Here's what I do know: If we don't tackle energy, if we don't improve our education system, if we don't drive down the costs of health care, if we're not making serious investments in science and technology and our infrastructure, then we won't grow 2.6 percent; we won't grow 2.2 percent. We won't grow.

The next statement is this one:

And there's a interesting reason why some of these critics haven't put out their own budget. I mean, we haven't seen an alternative budget out of them.

The first quote is a shameless attempt by Obama to trick the American people into accepting his socialist agenda. Make no mistake... America will come out of this recession. The question is, "How will it look when it does come out?" We will have growth, and for Obama to say that the only way to grow is to spend, spend, spend, and tax, tax, tax is completely insane.

Here's a proposal. What if we totaled up the price Obama wants to spend on health care, infrastructure, education, science and technology, etc. and didn't spend it but rather gave it back to the people in the form of tax cuts. Does anyone, Republican or Democrat, think that more money in the hands of each and every American citizen would lead to zero growth? I don't think so.

And so, we have the second statement where Obama is actually right. We haven't seen an alternative plan, and we need one. If the American people only hear from Obama, then he is the only one they will listen to.

As I just mentioned, reducing the power and scope of government and returning that money to the people would result in massive growth. People could hire other people. People could save for college. People could purchase goods and services. They could do all of this according to their own personal agenda and philosophy... and not be subject to the social engineering being put forth by the Obama administration.
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