no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

(03-16-2009 10:09 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

AND they had an RPI in the 60's. And as you can see all 8 of those teams were way higher.

(03-16-2009 10:10 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:09 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

AND they had an RPI in the 60's. And as you can see all 8 of those teams were way higher.

That's what really pisses me off about the system. They talk about the RPI being so important, but when it doesn't match who they want in the tournament, they come up with other crap, and say that the RPI is only a guideline or something of that nature. I absolutely hate the system the way it's set up right now. Call it what you want, it's a monopoly. The BCS schools control it, and they are able to continously find ways to funnel the big money to the BCS conferences. Oh they throw a bone to us from time to time, but we're like the weird relatives who you invite to your wedding, but you really hope they can't attend. I can't believe there hasn't been legal action taken by the mid majors.

(03-17-2009 09:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:10 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:09 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

AND they had an RPI in the 60's. And as you can see all 8 of those teams were way higher.

That's what really pisses me off about the system. They talk about the RPI being so important, but when it doesn't match who they want in the tournament, they come up with other crap, and say that the RPI is only a guideline or something of that nature. I absolutely hate the system the way it's set up right now. Call it what you want, it's a monopoly. The BCS schools control it, and they are able to continously find ways to funnel the big money to the BCS conferences. Oh they throw a bone to us from time to time, but we're like the weird relatives who you invite to your wedding, but you really hope they can't attend. I can't believe there hasn't been legal action taken by the mid majors.

OK, Trojan Lawyers: do the mid major schools have a case here?

(03-17-2009 09:52 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:10 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:09 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

AND they had an RPI in the 60's. And as you can see all 8 of those teams were way higher.

That's what really pisses me off about the system. They talk about the RPI being so important, but when it doesn't match who they want in the tournament, they come up with other crap, and say that the RPI is only a guideline or something of that nature. I absolutely hate the system the way it's set up right now. Call it what you want, it's a monopoly. The BCS schools control it, and they are able to continously find ways to funnel the big money to the BCS conferences. Oh they throw a bone to us from time to time, but we're like the weird relatives who you invite to your wedding, but you really hope they can't attend. I can't believe there hasn't been legal action taken by the mid majors.

OK, Trojan Lawyers: do the mid major schools have a case here?

I'm not a lawyer, but my wife ran a court for a lot of years, and I once stayed at a Holiday Inn, so I guess that makes me an expert. Damn right a case could be made. But a majority of the mid major schools would have to have the balls to stand up to the NCAA or BCS or whomever and pool their resources in order to get it done.

I believe the serious threat of a lawsuit would lead to an equitable arrangement without going to court. Wait until President Obama appoints a couple of more moderate to liberal judges, and then if it went before the Supreme Court, you know damn well the mid majors could have a winner.

(03-17-2009 09:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:52 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:10 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:09 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

AND they had an RPI in the 60's. And as you can see all 8 of those teams were way higher.

That's what really pisses me off about the system. They talk about the RPI being so important, but when it doesn't match who they want in the tournament, they come up with other crap, and say that the RPI is only a guideline or something of that nature. I absolutely hate the system the way it's set up right now. Call it what you want, it's a monopoly. The BCS schools control it, and they are able to continously find ways to funnel the big money to the BCS conferences. Oh they throw a bone to us from time to time, but we're like the weird relatives who you invite to your wedding, but you really hope they can't attend. I can't believe there hasn't been legal action taken by the mid majors.

OK, Trojan Lawyers: do the mid major schools have a case here?

I'm not a lawyer, but my wife ran a court for a lot of years, and I once stayed at a Holiday Inn, so I guess that makes me an expert. Damn right a case could be made. But a majority of the mid major schools would have to have the balls to stand up to the NCAA or BCS or whomever and pool their resources in order to get it done.

I believe the serious threat of a lawsuit would lead to an equitable arrangement without going to court. Wait until President Obama appoints a couple of more moderate to liberal judges, and then if it went before the Supreme Court, you know damn well the mid majors could have a winner.

Don't you have to stay in a Holiday Inn Express, to be an expert?
I don't think a regular Holiday Inn would count.

[dickie-v] CLASS ACTION, BAYBEEE!!!! [/dickie-v]

(03-17-2009 10:30 AM)LRTrojan Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:57 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:52 AM)Robert C Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:37 AM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:10 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 10:09 PM)LR Alum Wrote:  

(03-16-2009 09:30 PM)mjs Wrote:  no surprise here, all midmajors:
34 San Diego State
40 Creighton
46 UAB
47 St. Mary's
48 Illinois State
49 Niagara
51 George Mason
52 Tulsa

First BCS school was Florida at 54. Pretty amazing when most would agree that the RPI is, at least, somewhat biased against midmajor programs.

I was surprised Arizona and Wisconsin made it. Especially Arizona, I think they lost 5 of their last 6 games.

AND they had an RPI in the 60's. And as you can see all 8 of those teams were way higher.

That's what really pisses me off about the system. They talk about the RPI being so important, but when it doesn't match who they want in the tournament, they come up with other crap, and say that the RPI is only a guideline or something of that nature. I absolutely hate the system the way it's set up right now. Call it what you want, it's a monopoly. The BCS schools control it, and they are able to continously find ways to funnel the big money to the BCS conferences. Oh they throw a bone to us from time to time, but we're like the weird relatives who you invite to your wedding, but you really hope they can't attend. I can't believe there hasn't been legal action taken by the mid majors.

OK, Trojan Lawyers: do the mid major schools have a case here?

I'm not a lawyer, but my wife ran a court for a lot of years, and I once stayed at a Holiday Inn, so I guess that makes me an expert. Damn right a case could be made. But a majority of the mid major schools would have to have the balls to stand up to the NCAA or BCS or whomever and pool their resources in order to get it done.

I believe the serious threat of a lawsuit would lead to an equitable arrangement without going to court. Wait until President Obama appoints a couple of more moderate to liberal judges, and then if it went before the Supreme Court, you know damn well the mid majors could have a winner.

Don't you have to stay in a Holiday Inn Express, to be an expert?
I don't think a regular Holiday Inn would count.

Yeah. Holiday Inn EXPRESS. That's the ticket.

I'm no lawyer, but I believe there might be some anti-trust, anti-monopoly things that could be pursued. MLB is the only sport I know of with an anti-trust exemption (that's why congress got involved in the steroid thing). Not sure if that could be done in b-ball, since every conference does have a representative, but a lawyer might be able to argue that the BCS system in football breaks anti trust and monopoly laws.

But I'm no lawyer, so who knows?

(03-17-2009 09:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  I'm no lawyer, but I believe there might be some anti-trust, anti-monopoly things that could be pursued. MLB is the only sport I know of with an anti-trust exemption (that's why congress got involved in the steroid thing). Not sure if that could be done in b-ball, since every conference does have a representative, but a lawyer might be able to argue that the BCS system in football breaks anti trust and monopoly laws.

But I'm no lawyer, so who knows?

I saw Joel Anderson at a Rotary luncheon today, and mentioned the fact that the mid majors should bring suit against the NCAA or BCS because they have really set up the system to make sure the big boys get most of the money, and he agreed that the idea had some merit.
I don't know if it will ever happen, but who knows. I planted the idea.
He's a very nice man. Interested in our program. Got in a good plug for the ladies game Friday night to around 300 people.

(03-17-2009 09:52 PM)Dr. J. Wrote:  

(03-17-2009 09:34 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  I'm no lawyer, but I believe there might be some anti-trust, anti-monopoly things that could be pursued. MLB is the only sport I know of with an anti-trust exemption (that's why congress got involved in the steroid thing). Not sure if that could be done in b-ball, since every conference does have a representative, but a lawyer might be able to argue that the BCS system in football breaks anti trust and monopoly laws.

But I'm no lawyer, so who knows?

I saw Joel Anderson at a Rotary luncheon today, and mentioned the fact that the mid majors should bring suit against the NCAA or BCS because they have really set up the system to make sure the big boys get most of the money, and he agreed that the idea had some merit.
I don't know if it will ever happen, but who knows. I planted the idea.
He's a very nice man. Interested in our program. Got in a good plug for the ladies game Friday night to around 300 people.

I try to avoid being a conspiracy theorist, but I just can't come up with a justification for leaving out a San Diego State team with an RPI of 34. They lost their conference tournament final by 2 points to Utah who is #9 in the RPI. How could they take #62 Arizona over them, when Arizona has lost 5 of their last 6 games. Other than that, I don't have too much problem with the committees choices- I also wonder about BC at #60, but the committee will argue they beat Duke and UNC. Of course, the game after they beat UNC, they lost to Harvard at home. Harvard has a lower RPI than Rice, which is the loss that supposed killed our NIT chances.

I agree on SDSU, but I would prefer to have had St. Mary's in, over Wisconsin or Minnesota. And heck, I love Golden Gopher basketball! But St. Mary's was more deserving, it seems.