(02-22-2009 10:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 09:48 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 08:24 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 02:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:50 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  If car company "A" can build cars for X amount of dollars and another company can do it for less then that's proof car company "A" is over paying. Tell me, how much do you pay a guy to tighten lug nuts all day? Building a car is not skilled labor - management has engineered it so even a monkey or a democrat can do it.

Part 1 goes for any job. Part 2 is a bit mean-spirited, but, well, this is the Spin Room.

You know darn well that he would be VERY upset if someone told him he had to take a minimum 50% or more paycut and lose benefits because his company was charging more than the competition and that his job is so simple even a caveman(ie. republican) can do it so he shouldn't be paid as much.

Holy cow you're a freakin moron.

His company has to charge more than the competition cause it costs his company more to make because of his guaranteed salary, guaranteed raise every year and guaranteed benefits til he dies. Then add to that nearly a million people with the same life vest that 80% of other workers don't have in this country (yet somehow they survive) and you get why it's happening.

You've never understood economics, operating costs or supply and demand. You waste perfectly good bandwidth everytime you post and perfectly good oxygen with each breath you take.

Yep...Union benefits and govt. mandated regulations are the reason they are not competitive. Our socialist friend loves both.

So when do I become a communist? Morons.

Become a communist?

I'll admit it - I'm the owner of a PT Cruiser.

Bottom line is, we were in the market for a second car and there were three that made the final cut based on size, cost, etc. They were all pretty even, but the Cruiser came with a $2,000 rebate or something like that, so it's in the driveway.

It's an utter POS, but I'm not sure the other two (God help me, I can't even remember what they were) would have been any better. But the thing runs OK and we haven't had any major issues with it. Would I buy another one? No friggin' way. But it's a serviceable car. We had rented a convertible years ago on a weekend getaway and it was a lot of fun. But the standard issue variety is nothing special.

(02-23-2009 09:54 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  I'll admit it - I'm the owner of a PT Cruiser.

Bottom line is, we were in the market for a second car and there were three that made the final cut based on size, cost, etc. They were all pretty even, but the Cruiser came with a $2,000 rebate or something like that, so it's in the driveway.

It's an utter POS, but I'm not sure the other two (God help me, I can't even remember what they were) would have been any better. But the thing runs OK and we haven't had any major issues with it. Would I buy another one? No friggin' way. But it's a serviceable car. We had rented a convertible years ago on a weekend getaway and it was a lot of fun. But the standard issue variety is nothing special.

Dude, you crack me up!

(02-23-2009 09:54 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  I'll admit it - I'm the owner of a PT Cruiser.

Bottom line is, we were in the market for a second car and there were three that made the final cut based on size, cost, etc. They were all pretty even, but the Cruiser came with a $2,000 rebate or something like that, so it's in the driveway.

It's an utter POS, but I'm not sure the other two (God help me, I can't even remember what they were) would have been any better. But the thing runs OK and we haven't had any major issues with it. Would I buy another one? No friggin' way. But it's a serviceable car. We had rented a convertible years ago on a weekend getaway and it was a lot of fun. But the standard issue variety is nothing special.

Did you get the standard 3 Hamster powertrain or did you go for the 4 Turbo-Gerbil?

I rented one and almost got killed trying to merge from an on ramp onto 635 up in Dallas. No acceleration!

I'm going to get a new car before too much longer. I'm thinking I'll get a used Mazda6 (I prefer the look of the 2008 and prior models) ... or a late 90's boxy BMW sedan ... or a similar Audi.

I've got a mid 90's Galant LS. Getting close to 200K. Basically anything in the engine that's rubber is shot. Electrics are starting to go as well. Respectable handling and acceleration for a 4-cylinder FWD though.

(02-23-2009 01:48 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-23-2009 09:54 AM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  I'll admit it - I'm the owner of a PT Cruiser.

Bottom line is, we were in the market for a second car and there were three that made the final cut based on size, cost, etc. They were all pretty even, but the Cruiser came with a $2,000 rebate or something like that, so it's in the driveway.

It's an utter POS, but I'm not sure the other two (God help me, I can't even remember what they were) would have been any better. But the thing runs OK and we haven't had any major issues with it. Would I buy another one? No friggin' way. But it's a serviceable car. We had rented a convertible years ago on a weekend getaway and it was a lot of fun. But the standard issue variety is nothing special.

Dude, you crack me up!

Bizzle - glad my automotive woes can lighten up someone's day.

:)

Just callin' 'em like I see 'em.

WMD - you tried to accelerate with a PT Cruiser? I don't even think mine has brakes.

Quote:That was a couple of years before Detroit agreed to let autoworkers retire with full pension and benefits after 30 years on the job, regardless of their age. In practice, that meant a worker could start at age 18, retire at 48, and spend more years collecting a pension and free health care than he or she actually spent working..........None of this is ancient history. The 30-and-out retirement program persists -- a sacred part of the inflated cost structure that makes it unprofitable for Detroit to make small cars in America.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Inv...8-too.aspx

(02-22-2009 10:42 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 09:48 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 08:24 AM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  

(02-21-2009 02:00 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:50 PM)BGSUalum1987 Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 12:14 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  If car company "A" can build cars for X amount of dollars and another company can do it for less then that's proof car company "A" is over paying. Tell me, how much do you pay a guy to tighten lug nuts all day? Building a car is not skilled labor - management has engineered it so even a monkey or a democrat can do it.

Part 1 goes for any job. Part 2 is a bit mean-spirited, but, well, this is the Spin Room.

You know darn well that he would be VERY upset if someone told him he had to take a minimum 50% or more paycut and lose benefits because his company was charging more than the competition and that his job is so simple even a caveman(ie. republican) can do it so he shouldn't be paid as much.

Holy cow you're a freakin moron.

His company has to charge more than the competition cause it costs his company more to make because of his guaranteed salary, guaranteed raise every year and guaranteed benefits til he dies. Then add to that nearly a million people with the same life vest that 80% of other workers don't have in this country (yet somehow they survive) and you get why it's happening.

You've never understood economics, operating costs or supply and demand. You waste perfectly good bandwidth everytime you post and perfectly good oxygen with each breath you take.

Yep...Union benefits and govt. mandated regulations are the reason they are not competitive. Our socialist friend loves both.

So when do I become a communist? Morons.

I didn't call you a communist. If you deny the socialist tag...explain why.