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Domestic terrorism on rise
What's the big "O" doing about it?

Or Schwarzenegger for that matter?

http://www.breakpoint.org/listingarticle.asp?ID=11297

Mapping Political Persecution


Dotting the streets on a certain online map are hundreds of red teardrops. Click on a teardrop at a particular address, and come up with the words, “Patricia Greenwood. Insurance agent. $100.”

Miss Greenwood had better watch her back. Angry supporters of same-sex “marriage” are using Google Maps to tell the world exactly where she lives, and that she donated money to support Proposition 8—the California initiative banning same-sex “marriage.” Now, I made up the name Patricia Greenwood, but the names and addresses on this map belong to real people.

The only point of identifying Proposition 8 supporters is to encourage people to harass them. And the tactic is working.

Opponents of traditional marriage have sent threatening emails and vandalized churches. They have forced supporters out of their jobs and boycotted their businesses. They’ve made abusive telephone calls and even threatened their neighbors with death. Hundreds of cases of harassment have been documented.

Ron Prentice, chairman of the pro-Proposition 8 group ProtectMarriage.com, says the message of the maps “is unmistakable: Support traditional marriage, and we will find you.”

This is unbelievable in a democracy. In fact, domestic terrorism is not too strong a word to use for what’s occurring in California—and it’s a reminder of what happened when citizens allowed similar tactics to go unchallenged in another time and place.

Seventy-odd years ago, Adolf Hitler turned loose his brown shirts on Germany. These vicious young thugs went street by street, seeking out Jews and communists and trade union leaders. They beat them up and destroyed their places of business. In this way, Germany, a strong country, was taken over by an evil man and regime.

How much easier the brown shirts’ job would have been with a Google map! If vigilante-type movements are allowed to bully their opponents, we’re not just talking about suppression of religious freedom. We’re talking about the undermining of the very character of democracy. Political zealots of every stripe will learn that if they cannot persuade their fellow citizens by reason, they can “persuade” us another way—with clubs, scorn, and social ostracism.

It could get to the point where people will be afraid to get involved in politics at all—and if that happens, it will sound the death knell of representative liberal democracy. This is precisely why laws were passed giving Americans the right to a secret ballot.

ProtectMarriage.com and the Alliance Defense Fund have gone to court to protect the privacy and free speech of those who contribute to future campaigns—and to protect them from harassment. They are challenging state campaign finance laws that force disclosure of personal information of those who donate even small amounts of money to political campaigns.

Campaign disclosure laws must balance the public’s right, of course, to know who is donating money to political campaigns with an individual’s right to privacy, freedom of expression, and the freedom not to be threatened for their beliefs.

And we need vigorous law enforcement. If we prosecute hate crimes, why shouldn’t federal and state prosecutors go after those thugs who are abusing innocent people for exercising their right to vote?
02-24-2009 08:42 AM
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Maybe millions of us should go online and add our names to this map.
02-24-2009 08:52 AM
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One more step towards all out revolution.
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I like the spin of calling folks who support homosexual marriage as being "opponents of traditional marriage", when in all actuality they could care less about traditional marriage; and "traditional marriages" would not be affected in anyway. And then the comparison to Hitler... classic demagoguery, classic American politics.

As for the harassment, that is very unfortunate. Some people have way too much time on thier hands. Too bad California is broke and probably can't even have a decent investigation on most cases.
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The homos have civil unions in California. They have every benefit that the breeders have. This is ONLY an attempt to try and force their lifestyle onto others. It's an "in your face" combativeness that they, themselves, caused. I have NO problem with civil unions as I'm fairly socially moderate/libertarian, but these f'n idiots are doing as much a disservice to their "cause" as their assless chaps parades through downtown Atlanta. You're gay, you have civil unions, now sit down and STFU because no one really gives a rat's ass. ....but oh no, many of'em are too much of damn drama queens to allow that to happen. It has to be, "Look! Look at me! I'm gay! See? I'm gay!".

.....as if anyone really f'n cares.
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This was a big story out here a few months ago. Businesses were being protested - or worse. People were being harrassed and threatened because they donated to Prop 8 and when they asked that their names not be published the courts shot them down. When a person or group tries to protect marriage they're called homophobes. But when gay supporters threaten them they have no label. I guess "terrorist" would be fitting.

Once again it's the griggin liberals who do this ****.
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Despicable stuff, but I wonder how prevalent it is compared to anti-abortionists picketing doctors homes and workplaces and going so far as to use butyric acid if not actual explosives or firearms. Likewise the Scientologists abuse of the legal system to harass their opponents. And, in the same class is the ALF types. So, whilst publishing google maps info is a tactic made available fairly recently, how prevalent is it?
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The anti-abortion lunatics are just that. They not only abuse free speech but have, in some cases, become criminals and murderers. I know they call themselves conservative but they don't speak for me.
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(02-24-2009 09:02 AM)Rebel Wrote:  The homos have civil unions in California. They have every benefit that the breeders have. This is ONLY an attempt to try and force their lifestyle onto others. It's an "in your face" combativeness that they, themselves, caused. I have NO problem with civil unions as I'm fairly socially moderate/libertarian, but these f'n idiots are doing as much a disservice to their "cause" as their assless chaps parades through downtown Atlanta. You're gay, you have civil unions, now sit down and STFU because no one really gives a rat's ass. ....but oh no, many of'em are too much of damn drama queens to allow that to happen. It has to be, "Look! Look at me! I'm gay! See? I'm gay!".

.....as if anyone really f'n cares.
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Damn Rebel, you made Robert cry. Maybe next time Robert you'll close your door and shed your tears in private.
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(02-24-2009 02:33 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(02-24-2009 09:02 AM)Rebel Wrote:  The homos have civil unions in California. They have every benefit that the breeders have. This is ONLY an attempt to try and force their lifestyle onto others. It's an "in your face" combativeness that they, themselves, caused. I have NO problem with civil unions as I'm fairly socially moderate/libertarian, but these f'n idiots are doing as much a disservice to their "cause" as their assless chaps parades through downtown Atlanta. You're gay, you have civil unions, now sit down and STFU because no one really gives a rat's ass. ....but oh no, many of'em are too much of damn drama queens to allow that to happen. It has to be, "Look! Look at me! I'm gay! See? I'm gay!".

.....as if anyone really f'n cares.
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California must be the hotbed for the flaming gays. I agree this bunch really are doing the rest of the average gay population a disservice. Nationwide the vast majority of these people just want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit. As with almost every collective...the radicals always cause the problems.
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(02-24-2009 08:56 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  California must be the hotbed for the flaming gays. I agree this bunch really are doing the rest of the average gay population a disservice. Nationwide the vast majority of these people just want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit. As with almost every collective...the radicals always cause the problems.

I agree to a point. When I see the flamers, flamers you guys in the more conservative states will never see, I lose all sympathy for their cause. Other areas might have gays but California has the the gay extremists.

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(02-24-2009 01:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  The anti-abortion lunatics are just that. They not only abuse free speech but have, in some cases, become criminals and murderers. I know they call themselves conservative but they don't speak for me.

Collectivism aside, you've set up a big incongruity in your posts on this thread. Given that both sides of any issue are prone to have lunatics, doesn't it stand to reason that the extreme behavior of those lunatics has more to do with how much power and non-violent recourse that they have in a given point in time? That aside, you can make an argument that some ideologies encourage or excuse barbaric behavior as something fundamental to that ideology (as in the culture of death that is Islamicism). I don't see that argument being made here, though. Now, those conservatives that sought to enforce Anglo-saxon dominance over minority races certainly used violence, and I'm not sure they spoke for everyone that wanted to maintain the "separate but equal" policies either. It just seems silly to me to look at a few immature people acting out in this case and then draw broad conclusions.
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(02-25-2009 10:00 AM)I45owl Wrote:  It just seems silly to me to look at a few immature people acting out in this case and then draw broad conclusions.
As unfortunate as it may be most causes are identified by the ones that get the most publicity and then the stereotypes are born. People tend to resist things being crammed down their throat.
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It is interesting that after so many years, we always find out that law enforcement has infiltrated, or has informants, in all sorts of domestic terrorist organizations. Think the National Geographic channel, and all their TV shows about inflitrating Hells Angels etc....

Abortion Rights (both sides) Animal Rights, Radical Environmentalists, Black Panters, KKK, Aryan Nations - I doubt any of the them are not some what compromised and transparent to some arm of law enforcement.

Point being, you never know who / what / why / when / or where law enforcement has stopped some sort of concern. You can't stop them all (Tim McVeigh) but probably have stopped most.

The outlier is the lone terrorist, ala Ted Kaczynski.
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(02-25-2009 03:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  It is interesting that after so many years, we always find out that law enforcement has infiltrated, or has informants, in all sorts of domestic terrorist organizations. Think the National Geographic channel, and all their TV shows about inflitrating Hells Angels etc....

Abortion Rights (both sides) Animal Rights, Radical Environmentalists, Black Panters, KKK, Aryan Nations - I doubt any of the them are not some what compromised and transparent to some arm of law enforcement.

Point being, you never know who / what / why / when / or where law enforcement has stopped some sort of concern. You can't stop them all (Tim McVeigh) but probably have stopped most.

The outlier is the lone terrorist, ala Ted Kaczynski.

And, with don't ask don't tell going away with the new administration, I guess we all know which form of domestic terrorism is next to be penetrated.
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