http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/2009022...tico/19121

It's funny how most Governors and Mayors support it, but only a few dumba$$e$ want to make a political statement. (Trust me, that is all it is.)

Read the fine print and the "strings" that come with the Federal money to the States.

It isn't worth it.

The States take the money, you might as well throw Federalism out the window...

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But of course !!!!!!!!

This is all a Mean and Nasty Old Republican Issue that is happening in Kalee-fhornehaa.

None of Schwarzenegger's problems have one freggin thing to do with funding several million freebie gettin' Illegal Border Jumpers the Liberals have helped to funnel across the Invisible Fence (Invisible Fence ).

I hope he begs for the other money and they take away the share he is supposed to get. But with 9000 Electoral Votes, he will get the "cream off the top".

What a back stabber he has become.

The "Govenator" is nothing more than a Dead Battery Vibrator .....

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(02-22-2009 12:38 PM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Read the fine print and the "strings" that come with the Federal money to the States.

It isn't worth it.

The States take the money, you might as well throw Federalism out the window...

If you don't want it, I'll take it. More stimulus for me!

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19137.html

Only 22 repubs hold governorships across the nation, that has to be about an all time low. Palwenty & Ahnud have to take the $ for their political survival. Yep any of you repubs that don't want the $ just sign it over to me

Obama's a political genius for getting this voted on early. The Repub's that refused the $ are going to look like fools if they end up campaigning in the 2012 Pres election. A southern repub gov has as much chance of winning in 2012 as a Jew does getting elected Pres of the National Association of Evangelicals

(02-22-2009 10:29 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

What the GOP needs.

(02-22-2009 10:29 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  

Historically inaccurate, as Hoover was not as uninvolved as most people think. He implemented policies that had little effect, and thus the appearance of doing nothing. Not really a big deal now, but it did lead to the socialist state implemented under Comrade Roosevelt.

Two words for any greedy basturds with their hands out saying "If you don't want it, I'll take it",... F@ck you.

(02-22-2009 04:38 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Two words for any greedy basturds with their hands out saying "If you don't want it, I'll take it",... F@ck you.

Whatever. Eat spam then, we'll be eating stimulus sirloin.

(02-22-2009 05:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 04:38 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Two words for any greedy basturds with their hands out saying "If you don't want it, I'll take it",... F@ck you.

Whatever. Eat spam then, we'll be eating stimulus sirloin.

Don't concern yourself with what your grandkids will eat. Just get yours.

(02-22-2009 05:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 05:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 04:38 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Two words for any greedy basturds with their hands out saying "If you don't want it, I'll take it",... F@ck you.

Whatever. Eat spam then, we'll be eating stimulus sirloin.

Don't concern yourself with what your grandkids will eat. Just get yours.

That ship sail a long time ago with social security, medicaid, and foreign oil.

(02-22-2009 09:53 AM)cb4029 Wrote:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/2009022...tico/19121

It's funny how most Governors and Mayors support it, but only a few dumba$$e$ want to make a political statement. (Trust me, that is all it is.)

As oppossed to a dumba$$ that believes in Obama and the Lunatics on the left? I'll put my faith with the mayors and governors and not with you.

(02-22-2009 04:38 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Two words for any greedy basturds with their hands out saying "If you don't want it, I'll take it",... F@ck you.

We heard a lot of that sentiment when Bush increased the deficit even more by giving everyone a tax rebate without any cuts in spending. Any questioning of it led to "If you don't want it I'll take it".

(02-22-2009 06:33 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 05:17 PM)Paul M Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 05:08 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(02-22-2009 04:38 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Two words for any greedy basturds with their hands out saying "If you don't want it, I'll take it",... F@ck you.

Whatever. Eat spam then, we'll be eating stimulus sirloin.

Don't concern yourself with what your grandkids will eat. Just get yours.

That ship sail a long time ago with social security, medicaid, and foreign oil.

Which happened LONG before Bush... so we can get off THAT bandwagon now, can't we?

and of course,... the hypocrisy of this entire line of jokes and jabs...

Change we can believe in... because there apparently IS no change... and if you TRY and change, we'll beat you up for it.

Jindahl actually read the bill... and saw that it would cost him more jobs and money than it would gain him...

I thought we wanted smart politicians. Apparently not.

I heard Jindahl on Meet the Press. He definitely sounded like he was playing politics to me.

I won't take this money because of the word "permanent", but I will take this money as the bill will get it to the state faster.

Jindahl is definitely spouting the party line.

If it wasn't for the fact he has to run for Governor of Louisiana in 2011, I am almost certain he would be the Republican nominee in 2012. I see him running for POTUS in 2016.

(02-23-2009 02:43 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  I heard Jindahl on Meet the Press. He definitely sounded like he was playing politics to me.

I won't take this money because of the word "permanent", but I will take this money as the bill will get it to the state faster.

Jindahl is definitely spouting the party line.

If it wasn't for the fact he has to run for Governor of Louisiana in 2011, I am almost certain he would be the Republican nominee in 2012. I see him running for POTUS in 2016.

I don't want to belittle your opinion, but I think you're being a bit unfair in your characterization here.

I'm in the banking sector, and I have clients who took TARP funds, and now desperately wish they could give them back because they didn't read the fine print.

This is the same thing, but Jindal read the fine print. The $100mm is temporary funds... meaning a 1 time stimulus, that would require PERMANENTLY changing the laws of the state to accept... and having the state pick up the tab for the ongoing benefits now required by the changed law. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that the increased obligation of the state would be equal to $100mm every 3 years since this $100mm is expected to be gone in 3 years... and those are PERMANENT expenses of the state. I don't know how you PV a permanent expense, but the PV of 33.3mm/yr hits $100mm pretty quickly. The cost of this $100mm is WAY more than that to Louisiana residents.

He isn't degrading the entire bill, he's degrading portions of it... and being pretty specific... like portions of the bill going into conference and coming out substantially different from what Congress actually voted on... and things like new government cars which I responded to in another thread... while the moderator mentions every Democratic talking point, from not having a problem with Bush's spending, but having a problem with this... and Jindal admits that Republicans are to blame for spending and many other things, but that doesn't excuse making the errors bigger.

Nagin's comments are typical and wrong... we'll take the money... any money we can get... and doesn't care what the fine print says.

We complain about the people who were "tricked" by those evil mortgage companies into signing papers that allowed rates to go up beyond their means to pay... and now we're allowing congress to do the same, and praising people like Nagin who don't care what the fine print is and cursing the guy who actually reads the fine print and sees that it may be beyond our ability to pay.

I wonder how many people posting opposition to guys like Jindal and seeing it only as political think that mortgage companies tricked people into buying more house than they can afford.

Ray Nagin & the Governator=Frito Pendejo.

I do not listen to or care what Nagin has to say.

I heard what he said about the bill. I would assume that the buying of cars for the government is a way to assist the auto industry.

It just seemed to me that he started getting bogged down talking the party lines about tax cuts, cutting spending etc. etc., when he should have expounded on why he thought the permanent changes required for the money was detrimental to his state.

(02-23-2009 04:20 PM)uhmump95 Wrote:  I do not listen to or care what Nagin has to say.

I heard what he said about the bill. I would assume that the buying of cars for the government is a way to assist the auto industry.

You'd have to buy a helluva lot of cars to get a company that needs more than 25 billion to stay afloat to, well, stay afloat. Add to the fact that there are no stipulations about them having to change their business model, the damn thing that GOT them into the mess. It's insanity. It's doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.