(02-18-2009 11:02 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 10:56 PM)Scotto Wrote:  It's just amazing that, knowing what those guys talk about, you guys listen and actually expect something different.

If what is being recounted is true, this would be a first. Silence is a lot different than active disrespect.

I'd have to think about it, but it seems to me that basically ignoring someone's comments (responding with silence) is pretty disrespectful as well.

(02-18-2009 11:13 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 11:02 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 10:56 PM)Scotto Wrote:  It's just amazing that, knowing what those guys talk about, you guys listen and actually expect something different.

If what is being recounted is true, this would be a first. Silence is a lot different than active disrespect.

I'd have to think about it, but it seems to me that basically ignoring someone's comments (responding with silence) is pretty disrespectful as well.

True, true, but then I'd have nothing to come back at Scotto with, and I just can't have that.

(02-18-2009 11:13 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 11:02 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 10:56 PM)Scotto Wrote:  It's just amazing that, knowing what those guys talk about, you guys listen and actually expect something different.

If what is being recounted is true, this would be a first. Silence is a lot different than active disrespect.

I'd have to think about it, but it seems to me that basically ignoring someone's comments (responding with silence) is pretty disrespectful as well.

I'm with Scotto. Why in God's name do you listen to those morons?

I guess they could say "Dude, that ain't Hog related."

Either way, they are not worth listening to.

(02-18-2009 11:16 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 11:13 PM)mjs Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 11:02 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 10:56 PM)Scotto Wrote:  It's just amazing that, knowing what those guys talk about, you guys listen and actually expect something different.

If what is being recounted is true, this would be a first. Silence is a lot different than active disrespect.

I'd have to think about it, but it seems to me that basically ignoring someone's comments (responding with silence) is pretty disrespectful as well.

True, true, but then I'd have nothing to come back at Scotto with, and I just can't have that.

True.

You guys need to listen to Drive Time. They're well-rounded and very curtious.

Your volley...

(02-18-2009 11:19 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I guess they could say "Dude, that ain't Hog related."

Either way, they are not worth listening to.

To tell the truth I hear their show for about 15 minutes during the day (on my lunch break) basically because it's on. I have it tuned to that station because I love their morning show (they give TONS of love to UALR), the FOX sports shows, Rome (when it was on), and of course the Trojan games and it just kinda stays there all day. I don't change it because most of it is funny. Yokels always "hanging up and listening", Randy "Foghorn Leghorn" Rainwater messing up more than anyone in radio should EVER be allowed to and keep their job, and the occasional comment from the good part of the show, Ray Tucker provides some decent entertainment.

I suppose I'd give the Wally show a try, but have no idea when and what station it's on.

(02-18-2009 11:26 PM)eh9198 Wrote:  

(02-18-2009 11:19 PM)Scotto Wrote:  I guess they could say "Dude, that ain't Hog related."

Either way, they are not worth listening to.

To tell the truth I hear their show for about 15 minutes during the day (on my lunch break) basically because it's on. I have it tuned to that station because I love their morning show (they give TONS of love to UALR), the FOX sports shows, Rome (when it was on), and of course the Trojan games and it just kinda stays there all day. I don't change it because most of it is funny. Yokels always "hanging up and listening", Randy "Foghorn Leghorn" Rainwater messing up more than anyone in radio should EVER be allowed to and keep their job, and the occasional comment from the good part of the show, Ray Tucker provides some decent entertainment.

I suppose I'd give the Wally show a try, but have no idea when and what station it's on.

I guess as a sports fan I like listening to sports radio. I enjoyed listening to Rome when he was on and to Fox Sports on 103.7 on he weekends. So my radio is usually set to that station. But, I have to admit I tend to listen to CD's in my car, much more than I used to. I guess this week I was simply hoping I'd hear some discussion of the UALR/Western game.

The problem is that show is not "sports" related, it's Hog related. Expecting something different is, well, unrealistic.

(02-18-2009 11:36 PM)Scotto Wrote:  The problem is that show is not "sports" related, it's Hog related. Expecting something different is, well, unrealistic.

Like I said, it's usually just on. But it is kind of like a car crash. It's just awful but you can't seem to take your eyes (or ears) off of it...

Like a bug to a light...

(02-18-2009 11:41 PM)Scotto Wrote:  Like a bug to a light...

Or a Hog fan to a "reason why we shouldn't play in-state teams" argument...

:)

Because they don't. Seems pretty simple.

(02-18-2009 11:45 PM)Scotto Wrote:  Because they don't. Seems pretty simple.

They shouldn't because they don't....makes sense to me!

I never said it was rational, just simple.

Okay, I'll bite.

What do the Hogs have to gain..? Yeah, yeah, I've heard it before. It's good for the State, it'll bring money to other schools, the Hogs will get an opportunity to prove that they're the best. Sports fans will love it. Yada, yada, yada.

I see 2 flaws in that thinking.

1. There are very few "sports" fans in the State. LOTS of Hog fans, not many "sports" fans. This is evidenced by a) that radio show you guys are drawn to, and b) our attendance. If there were "sports" fans, folks would be talking up the Trojans and selling out our relatively small arena. They don't and we don't.

2. Haven't the Hogs created separation (or a 2-tier "perceived" system) by not playing us..? It's like we don't exist, and if we don't play, how can we exist..? If you take the emotion out of it, it seems that Coach Broyles really did build a State-wide fire wall by not playing us (or the hooves for that matter). From their perspective, what do they have to gain..? Why acknowledge something that is below their self-perceived status...?

Blast away. I'm just stating the obvious.

(02-19-2009 07:08 AM)Scotto Wrote:  I never said it was rational, just simple.

Okay, I'll bite.

What do the Hogs have to gain..? Yeah, yeah, I've heard it before. It's good for the State, it'll bring money to other schools, the Hogs will get an opportunity to prove that they're the best. Sports fans will love it. Yada, yada, yada.

I see 2 flaws in that thinking.

1. There are very few "sports" fans in the State. LOTS of Hog fans, not many "sports" fans. This is evidenced by a) that radio show you guys are drawn to, and b) our attendance. If there were "sports" fans, folks would be talking up the Trojans and selling out our relatively small arena. They don't and we don't.

2. Haven't the Hogs created separation (or a 2-tier "perceived" system) by not playing us..? It's like we don't exist, and if we don't play, how can we exist..? If you take the emotion out of it, it seems that Coach Broyles really did build a State-wide fire wall by not playing us (or the hooves for that matter). From their perspective, what do they have to gain..? Why acknowledge something that is below their self-perceived status...?

Blast away. I'm just stating the obvious.

you just said what I've been saying all along. Just without the religious metaphors and psychobabble.

(02-19-2009 07:08 AM)Scotto Wrote:  Haven't the Hogs created separation (or a 2-tier "perceived" system) by not playing us..? It's like we don't exist, and if we don't play, how can we exist..? If you take the emotion out of it, it seems that Coach Broyles really did build a State-wide fire wall by not playing us (or the hooves for that matter). From their perspective, what do they have to gain..? Why acknowledge something that is below their self-perceived status...?

I agree. From their standpoint it is advantageous, but only from a purely selfish standpoint. But, why complain? Just force the issue. Win, and it becomes a dead issue. Beat teams better than they are, and it is a dead issue.

(02-19-2009 08:02 AM)MICHAELSPAPPY Wrote:  I agree. From their standpoint it is advantageous, but only from a purely selfish standpoint. But, why complain? Just force the issue. Win, and it becomes a dead issue. Beat teams better than they are, and it is a dead issue.

+1

(02-19-2009 07:08 AM)Scotto Wrote:  I never said it was rational, just simple.

Okay, I'll bite.

What do the Hogs have to gain..? Yeah, yeah, I've heard it before. It's good for the State, it'll bring money to other schools, the Hogs will get an opportunity to prove that they're the best. Sports fans will love it. Yada, yada, yada.

I see 2 flaws in that thinking.

1. There are very few "sports" fans in the State. LOTS of Hog fans, not many "sports" fans. This is evidenced by a) that radio show you guys are drawn to, and b) our attendance. If there were "sports" fans, folks would be talking up the Trojans and selling out our relatively small arena. They don't and we don't.

2. Haven't the Hogs created separation (or a 2-tier "perceived" system) by not playing us..? It's like we don't exist, and if we don't play, how can we exist..? If you take the emotion out of it, it seems that Coach Broyles really did build a State-wide fire wall by not playing us (or the hooves for that matter). From their perspective, what do they have to gain..? Why acknowledge something that is below their self-perceived status...?

Blast away. I'm just stating the obvious.

Ok, here we go:

1) I agree with what you say about there being few "sports" fans...you're right. If there were we WOULD have more "casual interest" fans wandering into The Jack on any random night. Can't argue with that.

2) I thinkg the Hogs DO have something to gain, beyond that stuff listed above. Aside from the money for the state and schools arguments I don't think the other one listed really has any teeth. No one is under any illusions that Arkansas 90-95% of the time is the better team.

Here is what the Hogs have to gain, aside from those "classic" arguments:

1) money. they make money now, but they could even make MORE playing us.
2) a few more fans. yes, they have plenty, but then there's that small enclave of fans that are holding out because of "The Policy". More fans mean more money.
3) a better RPI come tournament time. Play UALR or ASU instead of Prarie View A&M or Montevallo and voila! You just got a better RPI and SOS to show off come tournament selection time. This will increase the odds of getting into the tournament and it will lead to more money.
4) recruiting. No doubt a Hogs home game is some crazy environment and great to take a recruit to. But I bet it wouldn't even approach the environment an Arkansas/UALR game would generate! That means a better bargaining chip for recruits, which means better recruits, which means better chances of making the NCAA Tournament, which means more money.
5) competition is good for business. Arkansas competes with the SEC, sure, but if they had to comete even a little in their own state, LIKE EVERY OTHER STATE IN THIS COUNTRY, they would be better prepared for the SEC, which means they would win more, which means more NCAA Tournaments, which means more MONEY.
6) I've got to believe that since every other big state school in the country has no problems playing in state teams, that they must have found a good business reason to do so, whatever that reason might be. Why shouldn't it apply to UAF?


Does UAF dominate the sports scene in this state? Absolutely. Has The Policy directly contributed to that? Definitely.

Does popular opinion state that UAF doesn't quite have enough in the tank to be a consistent, top-level SEC team along the likes of Florida or LSU or Tennessee? Yes. Would playing in-state teams increase revenue and quality to push them closer to that level? I think it would.

That's why I think UAF stands to gain a great deal by playing us, beyond just the usual arguments.

But one thing I've been meaning to ask, Scotto: are you just playing devil's advocate and really wish they would play us, or do you really believe in and support The Policy?

(02-19-2009 10:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  But one thing I've been meaning to ask, Scotto: are you just playing devil's advocate and really wish they would play us, or do you really believe in and support The Policy?

Good question. Quite frankly, most Hog fans could care less about playing the Trojans, hooves, Bears, or anyone else in the State. Ironically, I think I fall into the category.

Hogs have a good thing going. Why change..?

Blast away.

(02-19-2009 10:53 AM)Scotto Wrote:  

(02-19-2009 10:47 AM)eh9198 Wrote:  But one thing I've been meaning to ask, Scotto: are you just playing devil's advocate and really wish they would play us, or do you really believe in and support The Policy?

Good question. Quite frankly, most Hog fans could care less about playing the Trojans, hooves, Bears, or anyone else in the State. Ironically, I think I fall into the category.

Hogs have a good thing going. Why change..?

Blast away.

See the 6 reasons listed in my comment above.