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(02-07-2009 03:32 PM)wmuvet Wrote:  I don't blame Hawk. I blame everyone who thought this year's recruiting class was going to come in and lead us to the MAC West title. WMU should never have been picked to win the MAC West. That wasn't realistic but as a result Hawk has had to try to live up to unrealistic expectations all season. You want the truth WMU69. Ah, you can't handle the truth, but here goes anyway. Last year we graduated 5 seniors who accounted for 2000 minutes, 430 rebounds, 80 assists, 25 blocks, 50 steals, and 750 points. The 5 freshman are on pace to put up these numbers: 1400 minutes, 300 rebounds, 50 assists, 60 blocks, 30 steals, and 310 points. Translation: A 7-14 record instead of 12-9 record over the first 21 games. So how is that Hawk's fault? WMU69 and the other nuckleheads need to lighten up on Hawk and let him do his job. Eventually this freshman class will shine but until then accept the fact that we are in the middle of a "transition" season.

It isn't even about the freshman. Its about the 4 seniors and 3 juniors. We have plenty of experience, and talent, to win the MAC west. Yes Lawson is out right now and Ricks has been hurt, but you can't say Hawk has done a good job this year. Im sorry. And who is to say these talented freshmen will shine?? Didn't we all think that about Drews, Gary, Mclemore, and Lawson when they were freshman?? Just sayin, look at this objectively, since he has been playing with his own players, and instituted his new offensive system, things haven't been all that great the last 3 and a half years. Not horrible either, but I think it is fair to question what is going on right now and want it improved.

The MAC is so awful they should be winning the west with ease.
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Quote:WMU should never have been picked to win the MAC West.

You're totally wrong on that Vet. They should have been picked to win the MAC West.................running away with it in fact. Western returned 4 starters, no one else returned more than two who were of any consequence.

They may still win the west..............by default. 03-puke
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Quote:Here's the truth. Last year we graduated 5 seniors who accounted for 2000 minutes
One of whom did 99% of the contributing.

You trying to tell me Silver Laku, Dan Hess, Andrew Herberger, and Fracalossi were the difference?

I'm guessing BSU thinks losing Skip Mills, Newell, and Stovall is a bigger loss (by a MILE) than us losing those 4.

But let's say those 4 were the key. Should not the natural maturation of Redell, Kool, Gary, and Drews, EASILY offset the loss of those 4?
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Hawk just signed a new 5 year contract. He's not going anywhere.
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Quote:Hawk just signed a new 5 year contract. He's not going anywhere.


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Quote:I don't blame Hawk. I blame everyone who thought this year's recruiting class was going to come in and lead us to the MAC West title. WMU should never have been picked to win the MAC West. That wasn't realistic but as a result Hawk has had to try to live up to unrealistic expectations all season. You want the truth WMU69. Ah, you can't handle the truth, but here goes anyway. Last year we graduated 5 seniors who accounted for 2000 minutes, 430 rebounds, 80 assists, 25 blocks, 50 steals, and 750 points. The 5 freshman are on pace to put up these numbers: 1400 minutes, 300 rebounds, 50 assists, 60 blocks, 30 steals, and 310 points. Translation: A 7-14 record instead of 12-9 record over the first 21 games. So how is that Hawk's fault? WMU69 and the other nuckleheads need to lighten up on Hawk and let him do his job. Eventually this freshman class will shine but until then accept the fact that we are in the middle of a "transition" season.

I think we've just been visited by Hawks himself. :ncaabbs:
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I played in this program and have watched a lot of the practices and most of the games and know several of the current players. First off, let's address basketball. It doesn't matter what offense you try and run, if there is no true post presence, your opponents can smother 3 point shooters. As for those of you who say it's the same boring offense, this offense has been in the top two in 4 of the 6 years Coach has been here. This has been one of the top two scoring offenses in the league. As for player rotations, I have not seen any of you in the practices ever so how would you know who has won playing time and who has been beaten out?

Next, as far as Hawk being a poor game day coach, in the entire history of the MAC, he ranks in the top five of all coaches winning percentage in MAC games. The league began in 1967! Onto good things, the teams GPA has been at a 3.0 for all of his years as head coach. The graduation rate is 100% or the players are playing professionally overseas. 8 of the last 16 players to be named Academic All MAC have been Broncos.

As for you Bronco69, Hawk's overall record is more of a reflection on his desire to play a tough non-conference schedule to prepare his teams for conference. This has worked as evidence by his overall MAC record. In the five years he has been head coach, we are one of only three teams to have a winning record in MAC play every year. Let's compare apples to apples (I wasn't happy with losing to SIU Edwardsville either but I felt great when we been USC, Virginia Tech, Davidson, etc.)

A true look at inside the locker room, those of you criticizing Coach for "making excuses" you are right! He has told every team that I have been on in the first team meeting that he would NEVER publicly criticize or make a player look bad and that is meant to take pressure off of us. He told us players that we were the only ones he would be honest with.

How would you feel if Coach Hawk went into a press conference and said the reason we lost was because ... and placed blame on players poor performance and named them by name? He would never do that and that leads me to my last point. There is not a single player that I know that has gone through the program that wouldn't lay down in front of a bus for Coach Hawk. I would ask all of you to remember what the program looked like before Coach McCullom and Coach Hawk got here. Coach used to tell us and still tells his players that he hopes to coach our kids one day at Western Michigan. He's a true Bronco! This is one mediocre year. Ease up.
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^ get out of here Laku, Hershberger, Hess or whoever you are. Dont even get me started on other problems i have with Hawkins, he isn't the greatest person or public figure. THATS for sure. Im a die HARD bronco fan and even as a student i have season tickets. trust me its killing me.
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Quote:How would you feel if Coach Hawk went into a press conference and said the reason we lost was because ... and placed blame on players poor performance and named them by name?

I don't think anyone says he should point out players. People question his system and his production this year against a less than difficult OOC schedule, and against a horrible MAC conference.
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(02-07-2009 10:32 PM)WMU69 Wrote:  ^ get out of here Laku, Hershberger, Hess or whoever you are. Dont even get me started on other problems i have with Hawkins, he isn't the greatest person or public figure. THATS for sure. Im a die HARD bronco fan and even as a student i have season tickets. trust me its killing me.

I don't think he's trying to be a perfect person or public figure! What I do know is that he cares about his players and runs a clean program. For being a "true fan" you sure don't seem supportive even in a down time.
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Quote:For being a "true fan" you sure don't seem supportive even in a down time.

aw, i have a tear in my eye! not! EVEN bruce sheppard from the spirit shop can coach this team with ease!
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(02-07-2009 11:18 PM)WMU69 Wrote:  
Quote:For being a "true fan" you sure don't seem supportive even in a down time.

aw, i have a tear in my eye! not! EVEN bruce sheppard from the spirit shop can coach this team with ease!



Maybe you should write coach an email or letter telling him what he should be doing or how YOU would do things and actually sign your name to it. He responds to all correspondence from people who actually sign their name.
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Oh trust me, i have sent him an email to his GOWMU email. waiting for his response.
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Quote:I think the fire Hawkins movement is premature.
I came here to say that.

Petit, get off buckinbronco's nuts. He clearly seems to have a better grasp on what this program is. You've been on campus for a year and you think have all the answers about what's keeping us from hardcourt success?

The only thing I can agree with is Hawk's subbing patterns. Pulling line changes is not a beneficial practice in most cases.
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I have been one that has been critical of Hawk, but no so far as to want him fired.....yet. But this is the business and it is bottom line. And bottom line, he is not getting the job done this year. And I am sure he knows it. Im still waiting to hear the players that have greatly improved in Hawks tenure from when they came in as a freshman. McLemore?? Redell?? Gary?? Drews??? Hershberger?? Lawson?? Laku?? Ricks?? Kool?? Heck, even Reitz never really expanded his game, just got stronger, and that is maturity.

Okay, I will quit with this. I am a frustrated alum and fan thats all. Just seems like there is never any accountability with our coaches as far as wins and losses go. They are all great people and do a lot of positive things, but at some point winning matters. I really hope they can get things turned around.
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Quote:Petit, get off buckinbronco's nuts. He clearly seems to have a better grasp on what this program is. You've been on campus for a year and you think have all the answers about what's keeping us from hardcourt success?

Ohhh, I see Elf, so now it's about seniority. While I commend you for wearing a basketball on your head for 4 years at Western, [Image: 70_53330.jpg] I can tell you that this kid has been following the program longer than you have, and has more intimate knowledge of it than you ever will. None the less, I think we're light years from calling for Hawkins head. I think he'll right the ship, but I do think we could have done much better this year.
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Believe me, Hawk knows how bad this season is and is as frusturated as anyone. There is an entire community watching closely and judging. It is frusturating that it's not turning around. He knows the issues with offense, player rotations, etc. It may not turn around this year, but I can assure you that this team is not going to just throw up their hands and give up. It will turn around.
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So if we were to start both Whitfield and Lowe, who would back them up? Do a three man rotation with Conteh?

If Ward and Brown are as good as advertised, there is a good chance next year that we will start a 6-3 Kool, a 6-2 Ward/Brown, & a 6-0 Douglass, which are the same heights that we are starting now. Then Kool leaves, and both Ward & Brown are starting. So we're looking at 3 more years of starting 6-2, 6-2, 6-0.
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Quote:So we're looking at 3 more years of starting 6-2, 6-2, 6-0

I'm convinced that's by design anymore. When is the last time Hawkins recruited a true 3 and had him playing? To me Drews is a true 3, but when was the last time you saw him there? McLemore is a true three, but has not developed one bit----the chicken and egg theory comes into play with McLemore. Has he not developed because he doesn't play, or he doesn't play because he hasn't developed. Gary certainly does play like a 3, but his size is a problem in the paint, where in spite of having great lift, he simply can't overcome the length of many of the people defending him.
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Isnt next years frosh 6'6" Nate Hutcheson supposed to be a three in college.
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