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EVANS BASHING???
Glad to see Dave C. address the Evans issue on the BGSU thread but I believe it needs some separate discussion here.
First of all, let's set aside the "value" of some reflections others have using Trevor Huffman as a "comparison" to show that Evans is either a shot hog, not that talented, bad shot selection, etc.
2001-02 numbers for Huffman...
36 games, 33.6 minutes per, 42.6% shooting, 39.3% 3pt shooting, 44.4% of shots were 3s, 12.26 shots per game, 16 pts per game
2008-09 numbers for Evans...
7 games, 29.7 minutes per, 44.3% shooting, 45.1% 3pt shooting, 58% of shots were 3s, 12.57 shots per game, 16.3 pts per game
I only bring this up for the folks who I have heard invoke the Huffman comparison.
I believe that, as this team finally learns to play together -- and it starts on D and we saw it demonstrated on both ends last night -- they will be able to develop specific offense that will take advantage of this kids top-level skills. and off-the-ball play. And that team work, and Evans production, will only open the floor for Fisher and Singletary and even Simpson and Parks.
As Dave pointed out from the BGSU thread, Evans did not take a lot of bad shots last nite [a missed shot is not usually a bad shot!], but he did miss a lot. Of course, when you shoot 44% percent, if you miss 10, statistically, you should hit 8 of your next 10 [not statistically accurate, I realize, but it does have some merit, especially from a shooters mentality!].
I believe this team needs to get Evans off to be successful because Chris can't carry it alone and Fisher is a complimentary player who needs better floor spacing to get his offense and passing game going.
01-15-2009 01:38 PM
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RE: EVANS BASHING???
Amazing what people expect. Let's put more perspective on this.

Evans first game in D1 basketball was Dec 18. Less than a month ago. A career totalling seven whole games. I can't believe individual plays are criticized that much. Look at the player's entire game and give him some time before we start breaking down his performance like it's the Zapruder film.
01-15-2009 02:03 PM
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RE: EVANS BASHING???
Isn't this whole thread over-blown? Seems to me that some of us are being way to sensitive on this. I only saw one person that was very critical of Tyree. I for one, merely stated that I thought he was forcing some three's (a little too eager to help the team...). I certainly never implied ot meant to say that he wasn't a good player, a nice young man or anything else. I LIKE TYREE!

Now, as to the compairison to Huffman...Way too soon tell but if you asked me to make one based on what I've seen so far, Tyree isn't close to being the all around player that Huffman was in his final 2 years. I don't care what the shooting %'s are or where the shots came from. Aagain, on the limited time watching Tyree, IMO he doesn't impact the game nearly as much as Trevor did. Part of that is that due to them not playing the same postion (PG vs SG). Huffman, while not as quick as Tyree was much stronger physically and was an all conference defender (remember when he guarded the 6'8" Tamar Slay of Marshall in the MACC and held him to 5 pts?...Slay went on to the NBA. Trevor wouldn't even let Slay touch the ball!). After the 2001 season, Tevor was pissed that Shaw got the MAC defensive POY award over him. He was that serious about the "D"...

Mark me down as a Tyree FAN, but he's not a perfect player so that means like everyone else, he has things to work on. I don't think its "bashing" to merely point out a few things. If you disagree with me, that's fine!
01-15-2009 02:42 PM
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RE: EVANS BASHING???
I agree. Comparing Huffman and Evans isn't fair to either. Huffman came in as a true freshman, and at a time when Kent State was as deep as it will probably ever be. Waters had the luxury of playing him major minutes his freshman year, whe he was hot, and the luxury of sitting him as long as he wanted, when he wasn't. Evans didn't get to play his first D-I game until a few weeks ago, and is already depended upon to be one of the top three scorers, even though he is new to Kent State and to D I basketball. It is possible that Kent State may never be fortunate enough to get a freshman like Huffman again ( I surely hope they do, though). Jerry Lucas was graduated from OSU almost 47 years ago, and many of his records still stand, and look at the advantages OSU has over KSU in recruiting. I say let's just appreciate Evans, and Fisher, for what they can do.
01-15-2009 03:09 PM
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RE: EVANS BASHING???
This thread is baffling me. I may be missing some other threads on my computer, but I have not seen anyone really bashing Evans since the preseason when some thought we had sold our soul for giving him a chance. I also, have not seen too much of directly comparing Evans to Huffman. If this happens, I think that we should all remember that Huffman and Mitchell paired in a way to make them better as a team. They played off each other in ways we have not seen since. Evans has not touched his D1 potential yet.
01-15-2009 04:05 PM
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RE: EVANS BASHING???
While I'm not comparing Evans to any of the players on these teams and I understand the competition level is different but Louisville, UCONN and Georgetown, just to name 3 quick schools, have no one averaging what Tyree is averaging per game. However, DI basketball is DI basketball and its hard to score points no matter where you play. Just look at all the talented players through the years that haven't been able to score 16 ppg. He has done it in 7 games. It can only get better as he learns the ropes.

That being said, does Tyree take an occasional bad shot? Yes. He is a scorer/shooter and you are going to get that with scorers. If he were not taking the shots, he would not be making the shots which could hurt the team. You could say that maybe one of the better shooters %wise would get a look if he wasn't shooting as much, but maybe the shot ends up with a lesser shooter like McKee, Henry-Ala or Simpson from the outside.

If he were scoring 8 points per game and shooting 50 % from the field because he was only taking what people consider to be "good" shots people would claim he was overrated. Everyone would want him to shoot more.

Hey, he is 6 foot 3, lightning quick and can knock down crazy threes. That's his game. He isn't going to grab 10 boards a game, he's 6-3. He isn't a PG so its unreasonable to think he is going to drop 8 dimes a game. He isn't a post player so expecting him to score more around the basket isn't going to happen. He is a shooting guard. And a very good one.

With a scorer you take the occasional bad for all the good. I'm not trying to bash Huffman or start a Huffman war but he had issues too with turnovers and taking the occasional bad shot. But look what he ended up doing and being to the university. I'm sure no one cares now about his minor flaws or wishes he never suited up for the Flashes.

Very few players if any are ever perfect and do everything great on the court. No one on Kent's team or in the MAC does, has or ever will be perfect. I for one am glad he is himself more than Jordan Mincy. And again, I'm not attacking Mincy too much, lol. He does some good stuff the team needs but he has been here 4 years, is averaging 1.8 ppg and can't make a free throw. I would take 5 Tyree's over 5 Mincy's any day of the week.
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RE: EVANS BASHING???
Here we go, first i think tyree is a good player, i have said that he is not good enough to dominate the ball like kobe and that the shots that he takes is not good basketball. Some of the shots that he have taken have been equivalent to turnovers. Thats is not the way that we have won around here, and that is not the way we play. some people have said things like "we have never seen or had a player of his caliber'' like he is so good that this is ok, and nothing could be further from the truth that why i said what i said. Also the huffman number comparison at the beginning of this thread was crazy for so many reasons. no disrespect but im sure you know that. first of all during those 7 games we haven't beat a decent team. but the best thng about those numbers are if he is making such a high percentage of those tough shot imagine what percentage he would make of good shots! but if he continue to play the way that he has played with the exception of last game i guess i will be a tyree basher, because i don't believe in that type of basketball!
01-15-2009 04:58 PM
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[/quote]i respect what u said honestly u have valid points but i think the team lat year would not have been better with tyree instead of jordan jordan does so much you have to know the game to understand do u think the spurs would be better if they replaces bruce bowen with allen iverson they would score more points
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