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Robert, the God who will not Name Himself, that's who.

Most all other of these "god's" killed, rampaged, and slaughtered in "Their Own Names" during what ever time in History they walked the Earth.

"God" (who most call Yahweh or Jehovah), is the Father of Jesus Christ who is God Incarnate or God In the Body.

We won't know His name until we walk in Heaven. He didn't want to 'Label' Himself like all the False God's do. And you have to admit, there have been Thousands of False God's through out time and they all Had a Name or maybe Several and they all Died and Stayed Dead and Rotted Away like any other Human Being Does.

God doesn't Die and He doesn't rot.

He is the only one who Rose Up and Walked Out of the Tomb on the 3rd Day after being Beaten and Murdered on a Cross.

And He was seen by Hundreds of Witnesses after the Resurrection .... In fact, He anointed over 400 more Disciples and sent them out into the World with the Same Authority as the Original 12 were given (minus Judas).

If this was some mass delusion, it was one heck of a Good One.

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(12-30-2008 03:38 AM)Tripster Wrote:  .

Robert, the God who will not Name Himself, that's who.

Most all other of these "god's" killed, rampaged, and slaughtered in "Their Own Names" during what ever time in History they walked the Earth.

"God" (who most call Yahweh or Jehovah), is the Father of Jesus Christ who is God Incarnate or God In the Body.

We won't know His name until we walk in Heaven. He didn't want to 'Label' Himself like all the False God's do. And you have to admit, there have been Thousands of False God's through out time and they all Had a Name or maybe Several and they all Died and Stayed Dead and Rotted Away like any other Human Being Does.

God doesn't Die and He doesn't rot.

He is the only one who Rose Up and Walked Out of the Tomb on the 3rd Day after being Beaten and Murdered on a Cross.

And He was seen by Hundreds of Witnesses after the Resurrection .... In fact, He anointed over 400 more Disciples and sent them out into the World with the Same Authority as the Original 12 were given (minus Judas).

If this was some mass delusion, it was one heck of a Good One.

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Oh, the only "real" God is the one you worship. It is amazing how that happns.

(12-30-2008 04:33 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Oh, the only "real" God is the one you worship. It is amazing how that happns.

Whoa there Robert .....

I have studied Martial Arts since I was 12 Years Old and have been influenced by Zin, Taoism, Buddhism, and scores of other Mythical Religions.

I made an 'Informed Choice' - - my choice - - and I didn't need a Sharia Sword to my Throat to help me make that Choice.

And since I chose God and Jesus Christ, SURE they are who I Believe In ....

What is your Point Here ?????

Mohammad and Allah are the Sharia's Reason for Mass Murdering thousands of People and basically Enslaving Them to a Single Fanatical Religion ???

I can choose right now to build me an Idol and go Whorship it if I want too - - that is called "Freedom of Religion" or "Freedom to Practice Your Faith".

I choose to be a "Non-Fundamentalist Bible Believing Christian" ....

"Choose" being the Opportune Word.

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(12-30-2008 03:18 AM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 01:15 AM)Rebel Wrote:  People, don't you realize? RobertN is a leftist. He hates Jews. Always has. Every leftist hates Jews. I didn't think this was a secret.

Now, why Jews still vote Dem? I have no f'n clue. They are but beggars to their own demise.

As for the question, would Israel attack the West Bank, Golan, and Gaza if they weren't attacked? Not no, but hell no. There would be no point to it. The Israelis WANT to live in peace. ....with ANYONE. It's the GDamn Muzzies that hate Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Wiccans, Agnostics, Easter-bunnians, 5 Y/O's, women, Bambi, 'Ole Yeller, and everyone else.

You say I hate Jewish people and Israel(which isn't true) but then you go and say "GDamn Muzzies"? It seems like you probably should just be quiet about who people hate when you spout off about hating a group yourself.

This is a secret? No, I don't trust Muslims AT.ALL. Given how they've acted over the past millennium, I leave it up to them to prove they're "peaceful". ....like Christians had to evolve and become peaceful. However, "Muslim" isn't a race. It's pretty much consensus that "Jew" is a race, as well as a religion.

(12-29-2008 12:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I still think we should make Jurasalem the capital of the world. Put the UN there. No one owns it..... everyone owns it. Think how many people have died for or about a religion. This madness needs to stop. I don't blame Isreal for defending against daily rocket attacks either.

Um, where do you get this confidence that the UN will do anything other than turn a messed up situation into a complete and total clusterf*ck?

(12-30-2008 03:30 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 11:16 PM)jh Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 10:12 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  They don't really care for the Palestinians, whom they regard as second-class citizens similar to the way western Europeans have historically regarded Jews.

What is it about the Palestinians that makes them so different from the other Arabs?

True Palestinians are not ethnically pure. They are lineal descendants of the Philistines of Biblical times. The derivation of the name is obvious. Look at a map of OT Israel and you will see Philistia in the area now called the Gaza strip. The Philistines were of European (many think Greek) stock. There has been a lot of intermarriage over the last three thousand years, so Palestinians of today are pretty much of mixed European/semitic blood. Like almost any mixed race, there are strong prejudices against.

Many Arab countries do not permit Palestinians to immigrate, and some do not allow them to enter. The Palestinians, in many ways the outcasts of the Arab world, now share Israel with the Jews, in many ways the outcasts of the western world. How ironic.

Of course, if you rely for your information on current news media, many of whom persist in calling Arabs "anti-semitic," you're not going to become aware of the subtle implications that drive much that goes on there.

Excellent summary.

Also bare in mind that when Egypt, Syria, etc. decided to attack Israel in the last war they told the Palestinians to leave during the attack and that they could come back once it was won. Problem was they got their arses handed to them, Israel took more land and they turned around and told the Palestinians "oops, our bad, tough crap."

For all the big talk in the Arab community about rights for Palestinians they only want it as long as they don't have to do anything to help them gain them.

(12-30-2008 04:33 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Oh, the only "real" God is the one you worship. It is amazing how that happns.

That sound you heard was your point rocketing over Tripster's head.

(12-30-2008 09:58 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 04:33 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Oh, the only "real" God is the one you worship. It is amazing how that happns.

That sound you heard was your point rocketing over Tripster's head.

Ahh Mr. Artificial ... how ya been ???

I guess you didn't read my Reply to Robert's "Semi-Question" regarding 'My Choice' to be a Christian and not Forced into an Enslaving Belief System like the Sharia Muslims are.

I "CHOSE GOD thru Christianity", no one forced me too ....

I will ask you the same thing I asked Robert ..... WHAT IS YOUR POINT ????

That I am a Christian who Believes in God & Christ, but I am supposed to Believe in Mohammad and Allah with the Same Gusto ????

Why not Worship Mickey Mouse or Superman or MYSELF since this is a "Feel Good World" .... what are your points here ????

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Only Cynthia McKinney would use this as a PR stunt. They are lucky the Israelis didn't sink the boat.

A boat carrying international peace activists, including former Georgia congresswoman Cynthia McKinney, and medical supplies to the embattled Gaza Strip sailed back into a Lebanese port on Tuesday after being turned back and damaged by the Israeli navy, organizers of the trip said.

The crowds on the docks in the Lebanese port city of Tyre were jubilant and cheering as they welcomed the vessel.

The boat, which set off from Cyprus Monday wanted to make a statement and deliver medical supplies to embattled Gaza. The trip’s organizers said the boat was clearly in international waters, 90 miles off the coast of Gaza, at the time of its close encounter with the Israeli navy.

“Our boat was rammed three times, twice in the front and one on the side,” McKinney told CNN Tuesday morning. “Our mission was a peaceful mission. Our mission was thwarted by the aggressiveness of the Israeli military.”

Yigal Palmor, a spokesman for Israel’s Foreign Ministry, denied there had been any shooting although the two ships had made “physical contact.”

Palmor said there was no response to a radio warning to the Dignity, and the vessel then tried to out-maneuver the Israeli patrol boat, leading to the collision.

Cyprus state radio said the Cypriot government would seek explanations from Israel over the incident.

McKinney called on President-elect Obama to address the Gaza crisis, saying the weapons being used by Israel were supplied by the United States.

McKinney denied that the incident was an accident. “What the Israelis are saying is outright disinformation,” she said. “What happened to us last night was a direct threat to our mission, but not our cause.”

Palmor called those allegations “absurd.”

“There is no intention on the part of the Israeli navy to ram anybody,” Palmor said.

In a press release, the Free Gaza movement stated, “Contrary to international maritime law, the Israelis are actively preventing the Dignity from approaching Gaza or finding safe haven in either Egypt or Lebanon. Instead, the Israeli navy is demanding that the Dignity return to Cyprus — despite the fact that the ship does not carry enough fuel to do so.”

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/d...stab&imw=Y

(12-30-2008 10:19 AM)Tripster Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 09:58 AM)Artifice Wrote:  

(12-30-2008 04:33 AM)RobertN Wrote:  Oh, the only "real" God is the one you worship. It is amazing how that happns.

That sound you heard was your point rocketing over Tripster's head.

Ahh Mr. Artificial ... how ya been ???

I guess you didn't read my Reply to Robert's "Semi-Question" regarding 'My Choice' to be a Christian and not Forced into an Enslaving Belief System like the Sharia Muslims are.

I "CHOSE GOD thru Christianity", no one forced me too ....

I will ask you the same thing I asked Robert ..... WHAT IS YOUR POINT ????

That I am a Christian who Believes in God & Christ, but I am supposed to Believe in Mohammad and Allah with the Same Gusto ????

Why not Worship Mickey Mouse or Superman or MYSELF since this is a "Feel Good World" .... what are your points here ????

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I have no reply that can top this perfect example of Robert's point. You sir, are amazing. Were you an ostrich in a previous life?

(12-30-2008 08:37 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(12-29-2008 12:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I still think we should make Jurasalem the capital of the world. Put the UN there. No one owns it..... everyone owns it. Think how many people have died for or about a religion. This madness needs to stop. I don't blame Isreal for defending against daily rocket attacks either.

Um, where do you get this confidence that the UN will do anything other than turn a messed up situation into a complete and total clusterf*ck?

Well, it is better than having one of the two sides fighting over it now run it(the fighting will just continue and really f*uck everything up). We could run itt but we all know how well we ran Iraq. We all know we would f*ck it up real good too. What would your suggestion be?

No benevolent God would justify killing over land. It frightens me how easily religion on all sides can be twisted to the wills of man. Hell let's give the Palestinians or the Jews twice the land in Canada. I'm sure the Canadians would prefer the Jews because they are a gosh darn productive bunch. Shoot let's give them Broward and Dade counties here in America. Give them a 99.5 year lease to assimilate into our society somewhere out West. I don't care. (What is it we give Isreal a month. 3 billion. I hope that's a year but I think it's a month.) Set up Shop. Rejoice ye Merry Men. Cut out this killing that has went on for centuries over a piece of land.

(12-30-2008 11:44 AM)Artifice Wrote:  I have no reply that can top this perfect example of Robert's point. You sir, are amazing. Were you an ostrich in a previous life?

As OPPOSED to you being an Ostrich NOW, Mr. Artificial ????

And We All believe and Know that "You can't Top Robert's Replies", but thank you for admitting your Severe Retardation - - it is refreshing from a Legally Recognized Buffoon such as Your Self. :clap2:

.......................... :patriot: :dance: :moon2:

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(12-30-2008 11:26 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  Only Cynthia McKinney would use this as a PR stunt.

You're not giving our pal Jesse enough credit.

(12-30-2008 11:26 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  They are lucky the Israelis didn't sink the boat.

If they knew she was on it they may have.

Tripster Wrote:the God who will not Name Himself, that's who.

"God" (who most call Yahweh or Jehovah), is the Father of Jesus Christ who is God Incarnate or God In the Body.

The same one who gave the land of Israel to the Jews. Goyim / Anti-Semites be gone.

GO IAF!! Looks like they did their homework this time...What kind of "brave person" hides in hospitals and schools??

January 3, 2009: The Israeli attack on Hamas forces in Gaza on December 27th, hit fifty targets within 220 seconds.

The fifty Israeli aircraft assembled off the coast, and delivered a well rehearsed attack designed to take out Hamas targets before key commanders could get away.

Israeli intelligence had discovered Hamas plans for such an Israeli attack, which involved key Hamas personnel immediately dispersing to hiding places. These included hospitals, where the Hamas men would dress in staff uniforms and blend in.

Other safe havens included nursery schools, and other places where the Hamas officials would be surrounded by lots of civilians at all times.

Thus the tight timing for the Israeli attack, intended to catch the key Hamas personnel before they could disperse.

Hamas knew that the Israelis have an informant network in Gaza. The key to Israeli success in dealing with Palestinian terrorists has always been an informant network within the Palestinian community.

Many of these Palestinian informants are doing it for the money. Israelis pay for information. They also use other inducements (help with the bureaucracy, medical care, etc). If that fails, they use blackmail and threats.

Palestinian terrorist organizations have been unsuccessful in their attempts to shut down the informant networks, and many innocent Palestinians have died simply because they were falsely accused of being informants.

In addition, the Israelis gain a lot of information via electronic intelligence work and UAVs that are constantly in the air over Gaza. Israel seeks to make the terrorists think that it's the gadgets, not informants, gathering the information. To the Israelis, inducing paranoia among the Palestinians is seen as a successful weapon. All this has helped keep the terrorists out of Israel for nearly five years now, something no one thought was possible.

The Israelis also have hundreds of police and military operatives who can pass as Arabs (their families came from Arab countries shortly after Israel was founded in 1947). These Israelis speak fluent Arabic (with a Palestinian accent), in addition to their Arab appearance.

These agents dress as Palestinians and enter Palestinian areas to recruit and run Palestinian informants. At least in the West Bank. In Gaza, the Israelis use pro-Fatah Palestinians. At least a third of the Gaza population is still pro-Fatah, and continued Hamas pressure has not changed that.

The Israelis also make use of the phone system to avoid civilian casualties. For example, the bombing campaign after the initial attack was directed mostly at the thousands of rockets Hamas had stockpiled. Most of these were stored in civilian housing. This was a technique pioneered by Hezbollah in Lebanon. There, some homes would have a basement excavated, to provide more space for rockets. Israeli intelligence is still identifying these storage locations. When one is found, the Israelis will phone the home just before the attack and tell the civilians they have a few minutes to get out before the place blows up.

In at least one case, the civilians were defiant, and went to the roof, believing that the Israelis would not bomb with women and children in plain sight. In response, the Israeli fighter came in low and fired some 20mm cannon shells right next to the building. The panicked civilians fled the building and the place blew up shortly thereafter.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hti.../20090103.aspx

If the IAF is really achieving the kind of precision and accuracy that the story would suggest, that is impressive indeed.

It's impressive that the Israelis show restraint around civilians whereas Hamas would kill as many as possible yet Israel is being criticized for being overly aggressive.

(01-03-2009 10:48 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  If the IAF is really achieving the kind of precision and accuracy that the story would suggest, that is impressive indeed.

Apparently they are using some of the Small Diameter Bombs we sold them. 250 lb bomb with only 50 lbs of explosive...

(01-03-2009 10:51 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  It's impressive that the Israelis show restraint around civilians whereas Hamas would kill as many as possible yet Israel is being criticized for being overly aggressive.

I think its just a matter of time before Hizbollah (the bad guys in Lebanon) get involved by tossing their rockets into the northern parts of Israel.

Why? To take some pressure off of Gaza and because they know that its just a matter of time that the tactics the IDF used in taking down Gaza is used on them. Better ot "use them" before "losing them"

However, since Hezbollah is Shia, and their internal security is organized and ran with Iranian Revolutionary Guard assistance, the IDF won't be able to run decapitation airstrikes.