Not good if this dirtbag says he was trained by the Pakistani ISI Intelligence Agency. I guess the threats to castrate him didn't work.

Indian police interrogators are preparing to administer a "truth serum" on the sole Islamic militant captured during last week's terror attacks on Mumbai to settle once and for all the question of where he is from.

The mystery of the man dubbed "the baby-faced gunman" has weighed heavily on India's relations with Pakistan as the nuclear-armed neighbours dispute each other's accounts of his origin.

Police interrogators in Mumbai told The Times that they have "verified" that Azam Amir Kasab, who was captured after a shoot-out in a Mumbai railway station on Wednesday night, is from Faridkot, a small village in Pakistan's impoverished south Punjab region. They say that the nine dead gunmen are also Pakistani.

Disputing that account, President Asif Ali Zardari of Pakistan told CNN last night: "We have not been given any tangible proof to say that he is definitely a Pakistani. I very much doubt it … that he is a Pakistani."

He added: "The gunmen plus the planners, whoever they are, [are] stateless actors who have been holding hostage the whole world."

Proof that the militants were Pakistani would rapidly escalate the pressure on Mr Zardari's government to take action or risk a backlash from allies including the United States.

Police interrogators in Mumbai told The Times that they are poised to settle the matter of Kasab's nationality through the use of "narcoanalysis" – a controversial technique, banned in most democracies, where the subject is injected with a truth serum.

The method was widely used by Western intelligence agencies during the Cold War, before it emerged that the drugs used – typically the barbiturate sodium pentothal – may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic manifestations

Mumbai police said that their evidence of a Pakistan link includes hand grenades manufactured in the city of Rawalpindi, in Pakistan, and satellite phone calls traced back to the country.

Deven Bharti, a deputy police commissioner in Mumbai and one of the interrogators, told The Times that Kasab had shown no remorse for his part in a terror attack that had killed nearly 200 people.

"He is a 24-year-old boy with the eyes of a killer," Mr Bharti said.

"Nobody should doubt: he is a highly-trained murderer. He has told us he came to Mumbai from Pakistan to cause maximum casualties."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo...280084.ece

A dull serated blade down there would probably make me "cooperative". Other countries don't mess around. But we can't play loud music or keep them awake for hours because its "torture". A great world, huh?

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MAN KRIPS ......

They are worried about using a Drug that causes and I Quote:

Quote:may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic manifestations

This guy just gunned down 50 People in Cold Cold Blood, including Children and didn't bat an eye, he thinks he is on the way to Paradise, to wake up to 70 Virgins every morning, and he believes there will be a Monument Erected to Martyr him for all the Good He Has Done for Islam ......

And people are worried that this drug may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic manifestations ....

I believe that Train Already Left the Station !!!!!!!

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EastStang Wrote:A dull serated blade down there would probably make me "cooperative". Other countries don't mess around. But we can't play loud music or keep them awake for hours because its "torture". A great world, huh?

The US and W. European countries need to decide what they really are. Outrage at torture, the Geneva Convention, etc. are based greatly, almost exclusively, in the Christianity that largely shaped what we call Western Civilization.

Now (and for several decades) there is a deliberate effort among members of this civilization to shed all association with Christianity, and embrace materialism. But to do so leaves no other choice but to regress back to brutality.

Calls for "peace," "tolerance," "acceptance," are impossible without the philosophical underpinnings of the Judeo-Christian tradition. Indeed, calls for being "humane" are being met, as violence, anger and hatred is at the deepest core of humanity. This is not an assumption, it is an empirically verifiable fact. Asking for people to be peaceful, just because they "ought" to, has never worked, nor will it ever work.

This is the dilemma that people are seeing: those who abhor Christianity, are getting exactly what they asked for...and no it isn't pretty.

since it took nearly 2 millenia for Christianity to stop torture and Islam is roughly 7 centuries younger... that will leave about 500 more years of Islamic use of torture if the two religions follow the same timeline

Just what we want from an interrogation. Hallucinations. Maybe he will get so drugged up he will tell us where the WMD's are at? Do you guys even care what you get is the actual truth? That's the problem with torture people will say ANYTHING to get it to stop. How do you distinguish? Then you get the ancillary benefit of cherry picking what you want. I.E. screwball. Put down the pom poms for torture and think it through a little bit.

Fanatical Wrote:since it took nearly 2 millenia for Christianity to stop torture

"With the coming of Christianity, gladiatorial shows began to fall into disfavour"
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topi.../gladiator

Quote:and Islam is roughly 7 centuries younger... that will leave about 500 more years of Islamic use of torture if the two religions follow the same timeline

Why would anyone expect them to follow a similar timeline?

Gladiator duels are not torture. Barbaric, apalling, disgusting; sure, but not torture. I hope they don't follow the same timeline as Christianity in this regard. If they do then they wouldn't have even hit some of the worst torture committed in "Christian" Europe. The thought of "thumbscrews" still makes me shutter.

Fanatical Wrote:Gladiator duels are not torture. Barbaric, apalling, disgusting; sure, but not torture.

That's fair. However, throwing people to the lions, having people bake in the hot sun while wrapped in animal skins, crucifixion, etc. is torture. Those were all part of Roman entertainment as well. I kind of lumped them together b/c my understanding is they all disappeared around the same time, for the same reasons.

Quote:I hope they don't follow the same timeline as Christianity in this regard. If they do then they wouldn't have even hit some of the worst torture committed in "Christian" Europe. The thought of "thumbscrews" still makes me shutter.

It is unfortunate that people committed such atrocities...but I don't think you get away from them apart from Christianity.

Tripster Wrote:.

MAN KRIPS ......

They are worried about using a Drug that causes and I Quote:

Quote:may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic manifestations

This guy just gunned down 50 People in Cold Cold Blood, including Children and didn't bat an eye, he thinks he is on the way to Paradise, to wake up to 70 Virgins every morning, and he believes there will be a Monument Erected to Martyr him for all the Good He Has Done for Islam ......

And people are worried that this drug may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic manifestations ....

I believe that Train Already Left the Station !!!!!!!

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:face palm:

Strongly suggest you purchase a catcher's mit and strap it to your head. For your own safety, always wear it in when venturing out into the public.

Obama campaigned saying that the standard will be the FM 2-22.3 (FM 34-52) HUMAN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTOR OPERATIONS.

This basically cuts the nuts off the CIA's.

Quote:No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind.

Here is the 384 page manual.

http://www.army.mil/institution/armypubl...2-22-3.pdf

What incentive does this guy have to not say that he was trained by Pakistani ISI? The entire purpose of the attacks, aside from singling out Jews, was to incite conflict (or at least end cooperation) between Pakistan and India. What better way than to claim he was sent by the Pakistani government?

I45owl Wrote:What incentive does this guy have to not say that he was trained by Pakistani ISI? The entire purpose of the attacks, aside from singling out Jews, was to incite conflict (or at least end cooperation) between Pakistan and India. What better way than to claim he was sent by the Pakistani government?

The ISI is unique in the entire world in that it is the only national intelligence agency to FREELY ADMIT that it has "rogue" elements within its ranks.

But it does NOTHING to remove these rogue elements.

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Artifice - - I am going to ask you a Real Deal Question here that is not a Put-Down, but man, I have to ask. I have tried to Ignore You, but one just can not pass your Post by and walk away not shaking their head at how Plainly Doom-Ass they are.

The Question: Are you simply a Simple-Minded-SOB, or an Idiot Non-Savant, or are just Trying to Be the Worlds most Blind Sighted Man ????

And people are worried that this drug may induce hallucinations, delusions and psychotic manifestations .....

1- Induce Hallucinations: The Murdering Scum Bag has Hallucinations Implanted into his Pea Brain when with every AK47 BLAST, he sees Paradise in the Victims Blood and Hallucinates that he is in Paradise, Screwing 70 Virgins.

2- May Cause Delusions: He was and is Delusional thinking any god would uphold his Murdering Actions and Send him to a Paradise with 70 Virgins to Ball every day all day long for Eternity.

3- Cause Psychotic Manifestations: This AZZ HOLE "IS A PSYCHOTIC MANIFESTATION" !!!!!!! Just ask any of his Surviving Victims …..

4- You, sir, are a Blind, Deaf, & Dumb Liberal Slobbering, Drooling Idiot if you can't connect the Dots on this one and any post you participate in from here forward, should be totally ignored.

You are a sad individual that is going to Appease and Apologize Him Self into a Death from Your Beloved Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Maybe YOU need some Truth Serum and a Video Camera to Induce a Wake Up Call within Your Self !!!!

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WMD Owl Wrote:Indian police interrogators are preparing to administer a "truth serum" on the sole Islamic militant captured during last week's terror attacks on Mumbai to settle once and for all the question of where he is from.

Truth serum? We don't need no stinking truth serum. Here's what I'd do:

I wouldn't torture him, in fact I'd make sure he was comfy and well fed. I'd do everything in my power to make him totally coherent and fully aware of his surroundings - I'd even let him buzz around his cell on his flying carpet. Then I'd kidnap his family, bring them to him and then torture and kill them right in front of him all while saying that the very worst is being saved for him and the only thing saving all of them is the TRUTH. If he doesn't care about the safety of his family then why should I? Yes, I'd stoop to that level because it's the only thing these animals understand. When the word gets out it that we can fight on their level it just might deter those who might think of doing something like this again....and f**k the ACLU.

"Revenge. It's what separates us from the animals." Al Bundy

jesus smn...................... but how would you know what is true?????? He is going to say anything to save them from torture. We have ways of making people talk without going Conan on them. I would never want to cross you smn!!!

smn1256 Wrote:

WMD Owl Wrote:Indian police interrogators are preparing to administer a "truth serum" on the sole Islamic militant captured during last week's terror attacks on Mumbai to settle once and for all the question of where he is from.

Truth serum? We don't need no stinking truth serum. Here's what I'd do:

I wouldn't torture him, in fact I'd make sure he was comfy and well fed. I'd do everything in my power to make him totally coherent and fully aware of his surroundings - I'd even let him buzz around his cell on his flying carpet. Then I'd kidnap his family, bring them to him and then torture and kill them right in front of him all while saying that the very worst is being saved for him and the only thing saving all of them is the TRUTH. If he doesn't care about the safety of his family then why should I? Yes, I'd stoop to that level because it's the only thing these animals understand. When the word gets out it that we can fight on their level it just might deter those who might think of doing something like this again....and f**k the ACLU.

"Revenge. It's what separates us from the animals." Al Bundy

Wrong...What separates us from the animals is the ability use reason in our actions... Animals act on instinct.

To suggest that you would "kidnap and torture" innocent persons because of the actions of one of their family members is really disturbing and I have now formed a new opinion of your morality.

smn1256 Wrote:

WMD Owl Wrote:Indian police interrogators are preparing to administer a "truth serum" on the sole Islamic militant captured during last week's terror attacks on Mumbai to settle once and for all the question of where he is from.

Truth serum? We don't need no stinking truth serum. Here's what I'd do:

I wouldn't torture him, in fact I'd make sure he was comfy and well fed. I'd do everything in my power to make him totally coherent and fully aware of his surroundings - I'd even let him buzz around his cell on his flying carpet. Then I'd kidnap his family, bring them to him and then torture and kill them right in front of him all while saying that the very worst is being saved for him and the only thing saving all of them is the TRUTH. If he doesn't care about the safety of his family then why should I? Yes, I'd stoop to that level because it's the only thing these animals understand. When the word gets out it that we can fight on their level it just might deter those who might think of doing something like this again....and f**k the ACLU.

"Revenge. It's what separates us from the animals." Al Bundy

Machiavelli Wrote:jesus smn...................... but how would you know what is true?????? He is going to say anything to save them from torture. We have ways of making people talk without going Conan on them. I would never want to cross you smn!!!

Hey, the SAS used exactly this tactic to deal with suspected IRA Terrorists in Northern Ireland throughout the 70's and 80's.

Tripster Wrote:Artifice - - I am going to ask you a Real Deal Question here that is not a Put-Down, but man, I have to ask.

Has it ever occurred to you that they want accurate information?

As for the rest of your post, you are the typical poster on here - a raving maniac of ideologue partisanship. You also appear to be one of these perpetual religious war idiots. As I said in the other thread, I sincerely hope that this board just operates as a haven for that 1% of absolutely off the reservation fanaticals. It's too depressing to think otherwise.

Quote:You, sir, are a Blind, Deaf, & Dumb Liberal Slobbering, Drooling Idiot

Well so much for the "not a Put-Down" bit.

This was absolutely par for the course. If you're not with us, youre against us, blah blah blah. Grow a brain man. Stop thinking in zeroes and ones.

I'll say the next part once, and once only:

I have no partisan political affiliation. I'm a registered and voting independent, and a pragmatist by nature. To rational people like me, ideological zealots like you are the stain and the plague on the political system. Unlike some of my more patient peers, I've had it with people like you. You serve absolutely no use whatsoever towards advancing the greater good, and the FEAR held by you and your ilk is exactly the type that the career politicians and establishment prey upon to manipulate the system. It is small minded, childish, unrealistic, and counterproductive to bettering this country.

Artifice Wrote:As for the rest of your post, you are the typical poster on here - a raving maniac of ideologue partisanship. You also appear to be one of these perpetual religious war idiots. As I said in the other thread, I sincerely hope that this board just operates as a haven for that 1% of absolutely off the reservation fanaticals. It's too depressing to think otherwise.

You couldn’t be more wrong. We are not “a raving maniac of ideologue partisanship. … also appear to be one of these perpetual religious war idiots”..

By and large many of us are former or reserve members of the Armed Forces of the United States of America, who have exposure, training, or experience dealing with situations such as Iraq, Mumbai, etc.

In contrast to most civilians and members of the mainstream media, we know what is involved to resolve these situations, and what it takes to resolve them. And we are not afraid to get “dirty” in the process.

First in a nutshell, you don’t “talk” or “negotiate” with Mr. Haji Jihadi. He wants to die for his Allah, and to take as many of us as he can with him. The Jihadi culture is one of death, pure and simple. They WANT to die in a manner that they feel guarantees them a “Ticket to Paradise”.

While in contrast, we in the West want to live. And while Haji Jihadi may represent only 10-15% of Shia and Sunni Islam, that is a bunch of people out there that want to kill us and destroy the “infidels” of the West.

So its real simple.. it IS “Us verses Them.” We have been screwing with Islamic Fascism for about 30 years now since the fall of the Shah in Iran. Sometimes we have won. Sometimes we have lost.

The bad guys have access to lots of money, organization, and are highly motivated to do what they think it takes. That’s is why I have nightmares of what will happen if the Iranians get close to building a nuclear weapon.. Because I know (1) that Israelis will take out the Iranians before they get close to an “operational” weapon and (2) the backlash from the attack will be very bad and we WILL get hit, regardless of our non-involvement in the Israeli operation. And that hit WILL be very nasty.

You may not agree with us or our methods. That’s fine. But because of us, you can sleep soundly in your bed at night, while we are up dealing with the problems.