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From Espn.com

Sources: Sampson to receive NCAA's harshest penalty

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3725832

"Meanwhile, the NCAA is expected to punish Senderoff with a three-year show cause penalty. Kent State would have to appear in front of the infractions committee to hear the sanctions leveled against him and then decide to either fight to keep Senderoff on staff or reassign him within its athletic department."

7links Wrote:From Espn.com

Sources: Sampson to receive NCAA's harshest penalty

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3725832

"Meanwhile, the NCAA is expected to punish Senderoff with a three-year show cause penalty. Kent State would have to appear in front of the infractions committee to hear the sanctions leveled against him and then decide to either fight to keep Senderoff on staff or reassign him within its athletic department."

NOT GOOD.

"Meanwhile, the NCAA is expected to punish Senderoff with a three-year show cause penalty. Kent State would have to appear in front of the infractions committee to hear the sanctions leveled against him and then decide to either fight to keep Senderoff on staff or reassign him within its athletic department."

What does that mean ?? If we keep him on the staff, the program
receives sanctions, but if we "reassign" him, we don't ??
Dave- can you fill us in ?

Earlier Senderoff Thread

David Carducci Reply

Quote:Just to clarify the "show cause," (and so you wouldn't have to wait a few days for me to get back from my vacation)...

I talked to a few of my trusted sources who understand the situation with Rob, know the NCAA rules, and have confirmed for me that the AP has the story wrong re the "show cause" penalty.

The key is that Rob already has a job. If Rob did not have a job, a "show cause" would have made it difficult for a school to hire him. The NCAA can not, however, force a school to fire Rob.

What they can do is hit Rob with penalties that could make life difficult on the program where he is currently employed. For example, the NCAA could rule that Rob is suspended from going out on the road recruiting for several months. In that case, if KSU and/or Rob did not agree with the ruling, they would have to go before the NCAA to show cause as to why that ruling should be reduced or eliminated.

If KSU does not want to fight a penalty, it would have several choices. It could fire Rob. It could (and this is the likely scenario) simply accept the ruling. Nowhere in any rule book does it say that a school has to fire a coach with a "show cause."

KSU and Rob are already living under self-imposed penalties. Rob paid his own way to go to an NCAA compliance seminar in Boston. He has reduced his recruiting calls to around half what is allowed.

In anticipation of possible penalties, Geno has hired a pretty talented staff. Bobby Steinburg is a very good recruiter, and can pick up the slack if Rob has to come off the road for a period of time. Armon Gates is already doing very well on the road in his first opportunity as a full assistant.

And, if Rob has to come off the road for a while, he is still such an asset in game prep, scouting and coaching post play, that KSU feels it is worth absorbing the penalty to keep him.

wow, this is big news.

did rob know he was breaking the rules by putting sampson on the 3-way calls? huge bummer for everyone involved.

will he be allowed to mentor parks? will he be allowed to interact with the players? allowed to fulfill his coaching duties in any way?

sooooooooo.. are we in the market for a new assistant?

mike
'86

it's really not that big a deal.

It's like I said all along ...

A show cause only means that Kent State would have to show cause if it thought it shouldn't have to live with the restrictions.

Kent State hired Rob Senderoff knowing that the NCAA would hand down penalties and its long been prepared to deal with them.

AND

as I've said all along (and most members of the national media didn't bother to do their homework ... I wonder if ESPN.com's Dana O'Neill still "stands behind" her story) Kent State does not have to let Senderoff go. They are not letting him go.

The whole thing is 100-percent fine from a Kent State standpoint, with the exception of some serious inaccuracies in the NCAA report that Senderoff and his lawyer are asking the NCAA to fix.

The NCAA based its decision on the conclusion that Rob provided false or misleading information to NCAA investigators. He was never charged with that by the NCAA. In fact, the NCAA investigators on the enforcement staff told Senderoff's lawyer today that Senderoff did not make false and misleading statements during the staff's investigations.

There were errors in the NCAA's statement that had to be taken out just yesterday. It's a sloppy report, and it will have to be changed or Senderoff would have the right to bring a libel suit.

Now, while I said above the whole thing is "100-percent fine" and KSU can work within the restrictions on Senderoff, the penalties were a bit over the top, in my opinion. Paul Biancardi paid a recruit something like $6,000 and didn't get hit as hard as Senderoff did for following his boss ... a hall-of-fame coach who should have known better. If he doesn't do what is expected of him, would he keep his job? Now he knows how to handle that situation if it were to ever come up again. I don't know that I would have made the right decision if I were put in his shoes as a young coach getting his first big break at a major university. Based on Senderoff's case that the NCAA has inaccuracies in its written decision, some of those restrictions could (and probably should) end up being reduced down the road. At the very least, the NCAA needs to change the language of its statement because Senderoff never was charged with providing false and inaccurate statements. Under NCAA bylaws, they would have had to inform Senderoff of that charge before ruling on it or using it as a basis of their ruling, as the NCAA did in adding to the charges against Indiana a few days after the hearing in Seattle concluded.

Anyway, I have to start writing.... But this is not a big deal from a kent state perspective.

Senderoff won't recruit next year, but Geno Ford already goes out on the road recruiting more than the typical head coach. THey have two talented recruiters in Bobby Steinburg and Armon Gates ready to take make up for Senderoff's absence on the road. They already have what appears to be a very good class ready to come in next year. THey are fine.... They were prepared for a worst-case scenario, and this is only a worst-case scenario from the perspective of Rob's reputation where he has basically been slandered in the NCAA report.

But still, having one less coach available to evaluate talent will surely impact the quality of Kent State recruits. Could KSU hire another assistant to handle the recruiting duties until Senderoff is off sanctions in 2011?

I'm torn on this whole thing.

The Pro Senderhoff - basically everything Dave C has said, plus i think sampson is a shameless fool with no ethics and everyone deserves a 2nd chance and i have never heard anyone say anything negative about coach senderhoff from a personnel or coaching standpoint.

The other view - this is bad publicity for KSU and lets be honest there is some very recent history of issues with these kids/team. This is just one more thing that adds to it. One less coach on the road will hurt and will the kids that do come "buy" into his coaching when they have had no relationship with him during recruiting? Fair or not the other teams we are recruiting against will use this against us something like this " So Mr and Mrs recruit parents you want you son to go to KSU where they have a know rule breaker as associate head coach? The NCAA wont even let him talk to recruits." Completely unfair but nothing about the recruiting is fair or ehtical.

I guess bottomline is i'll trust the decisions made by Laing and the program as they have a pretty good 10 yr track record going here.

ksugldnflshs Wrote:But still, having one less coach available to evaluate talent will surely impact the quality of Kent State recruits. Could KSU hire another assistant to handle the recruiting duties until Senderoff is off sanctions in 2011?

They are fine. It isn't necessary.
Next year's class is already done. They've already done a lot of the legwork on the class after that. They've been prepared for this. Basically, Geno takes over a lot of the work that Rob would have been doing on the road.

OK, the class after next year's may not have the connection with Rob initially, but they'll have more of a connection with Geno than they would the typical head coach.
And Rob is pretty good at making a connection with players he didn't recruit. Only the older players on the current team were here when Rob was here last, but the younger guys already have built a pretty strong bond with Rob.

It's really not a big deal. As far as perception, Rob may get some kind of a reprieve from the NCAA, at least in the form of a change in the language of the report.
The negative recruiting has been there all along with regard to this scandal... and Rob still landed Justin Greene this year and a couple top recruits for next year.

My advice ... don't worry about it. Nationally, the story is Indiana and Kelvin Sampson more than it is Rob Senderoff. This will all fade into memory in the very near future, and Kent State will roll right along.

Rob's worth on this staff far outweighs any of the NCAA sanctions.

Great job by Jeff Goodman of Fox Sports in explaining Senderoff's situation.

Here's the link:

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/goo...E_FALL_GUY