smn1256 Wrote:

dwr0109 Wrote:Its politics. If you stick your nose in, you're gonna get punched. It'll always be like that.

Joe the Plumber didn't stick his nose into anything - he asked a presidential candidate a question. Other than McC and Hillary, no one has dared to question the Messiah. Since Obama can't kill him the press is trying to.

Hey, if you want to be a celebrity, you gotta get a background check.
I blame McCain for this.

Plumber Joe is just Another Anti-American Who Doesn't want to pay his taxes scumbag. He's a part of that "Let's Bankrupt America Crowd".

See How Easy It Is to label like a Republican.

ETSUfan1 Wrote:LOL!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27207215/?GT1=43001

While the rest of you on this board are worry about how much money this guy makes...I'm more concerned with the fact that this fellow and thousands like him are prohibited by the government to work in the free market because they fail to have a piece of paper. Licenses are simply a way for people currently in a trade to restrict others from entering their field and competing with them. In reward to the government for this granted restriction of commerce, the trades give the government a revenue stream in the form of license fees. Its just another example of why ONLY governments can create monopolies. In totally free market only your reputation in the form of a rating system would be necessary to regulate trades. As it is today...you could be the worst plumber in the world as long as you have a piece of paper showing that you paid your tribute.

The real Joe...............a republican plant
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=321485

smn1256 Wrote:

dwr0109 Wrote:Its politics. If you stick your nose in, you're gonna get punched. It'll always be like that.

Joe the Plumber didn't stick his nose into anything - he asked a presidential candidate a question. Other than McC and Hillary, no one has dared to question the Messiah. Since Obama can't kill him the press is trying to.

I don't see the problem with the exchange between BO and Joe. He asked a question and quite frankly I though BO did a pretty good job in answering it. I may not agree with his answer...but...he spent more time with Joe than any other candidate I've seen when approached with a serious question that he knew was confrontational in nature. I was quite frankly impressed with his skills in fielding the question with cameras rolling. I think its obvious why this guy is going to be the next POTUS...He is a slick operator..maybe even more so than Clinton.

I was just joking about the Republican plat, but now DAAAA YUM! They will stoop to ANYTHING to get elected. Keating 5. If... this does come out... OMG. This will be all over. IF it's true. He's done.............. toast.

cb4029 Wrote:The real Joe...............a republican plant
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=321485

A plant? I thought he was at a stop to meet people. Ohhh, so you admit, Barack doesn't give a **** about the people, only the airtime of him being shown with his own damn supporters, right?

BTW, Keating 5? I don't know if you Einsteins know this or not, but his apartment or home? Doesn't exactly look like a palace so sorry, this:

Quote:But the real kicker about this man in the street, the uncommitted voter, salt of the earth normal guy McCain is all worried about Obama's tax plan hurting? His father is also the son-in-law of Charles Keating... yes, that Charles Keating, of Keating Five fame. Joe the Plumber's dad was Vice President of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan, the company at the heart of the Keating Five scandal.

I don't f'n believe. Is George Burns my grandfather? We have the same last name, ya know.

uhmump95 Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:many small businesses pay taxes based on thoss personal tax rates as a whole and most bring in over 250k, which is paid out to employes. Provides Capital to re-invest into things like Jobs.

Bringing in over 250k in earnings is not the same things as having 250K in income.

If I have 275k in earnings and I pay 175K out to employees as salary expenses, I only have 100K in income. Guess what "based on what Obama said last night" I do not have to pay more taxes. Now if Joe the plumber (and some of the other Repubs) is thinking that earnings is automatically income, he does not need to be owning any business whatsoever.....

If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property on Arizona that I'd like to sell you....

blah Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:many small businesses pay taxes based on thoss personal tax rates as a whole and most bring in over 250k, which is paid out to employes. Provides Capital to re-invest into things like Jobs.

Bringing in over 250k in earnings is not the same things as having 250K in income.

If I have 275k in earnings and I pay 175K out to employees as salary expenses, I only have 100K in income. Guess what "based on what Obama said last night" I do not have to pay more taxes. Now if Joe the plumber (and some of the other Repubs) is thinking that earnings is automatically income, he does not need to be owning any business whatsoever.....

If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property on Arizona that I'd like to sell you....

I'll trade you my oceanfront property on Galveston Island for your property in Arizona.

blah Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:

GGniner Wrote:many small businesses pay taxes based on thoss personal tax rates as a whole and most bring in over 250k, which is paid out to employes. Provides Capital to re-invest into things like Jobs.

Bringing in over 250k in earnings is not the same things as having 250K in income.

If I have 275k in earnings and I pay 175K out to employees as salary expenses, I only have 100K in income. Guess what "based on what Obama said last night" I do not have to pay more taxes. Now if Joe the plumber (and some of the other Repubs) is thinking that earnings is automatically income, he does not need to be owning any business whatsoever.....

If you believe that, I have some oceanfront property on Arizona that I'd like to sell you....

So I should trust "I'm gonna tax your benefits" McCain?

Uh .... .okay.....

cb4029 Wrote:The real Joe...............a republican plant
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=321485

Yep a "REpublican Plant", who Obama just happened to stop by his neighborhood unannounced to speak to the 'folks' while Joe the Plumber was playing catch with his kid, walked over to Obama and then OBAMA voluntarily went to Joe to speak to him.

yep, GOP plant alright


This is what happens when you question The One, you get demonized and the Obama Truth Squad sets out to destroy you. All for asking Obama a question in which he exposed he's a Socialist

GGniner Wrote:

cb4029 Wrote:The real Joe...............a republican plant
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=321485

Yep a "REpublican Plant", who Obama just happened to stop by his neighborhood unannounced to speak to the 'folks' while Joe the Plumber was playing catch with his kid, walked over to Obama and then OBAMA voluntarily went to Joe to speak to him.

yep, GOP plant alright


This is what happens when you question The One, you get demonized and the Obama Truth Squad sets out to destroy you. All for asking Obama a question in which he exposed he's a Socialist

You better be carefull, you and Rebel will be next.

cb4029 Wrote:You better be carefull, you and Rebel will be next.

I'm a little more militant and a HELLUVA lot more irrational than Joe the Plumber. They **** with me, I **** back.

They won't **** with Reb, he is a veteran. That would make them look bad.....

uhmump95 Wrote:They won't **** with Reb, he is a veteran. That would make them look bad.....

Veteran has not a damn thing to do with it. This country is at a tipping point and **** like this is what will push it over. This man did NOTHING but ask a LEGITIMATE f'n question, you know, something the MSM SHOULD have been doing, and they're trying to destroy him for it. You libs did it with Michael Steele, illegally obtaining his credit report, Sarah Palin, and now Joe. When have the Republicans done that to a damn Dem? You guys ARE the new Nazi party. I'd rather take up arms and fight you fascist sumbitches than have to live in a DNC-controlled tyranny where people are investigated and have their lives ruined for nothing other than asking a question or posing a concern.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...89x4250520

Rebel Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:They won't **** with Reb, he is a veteran. That would make them look bad.....

Veteran has not a damn thing to do with it. This country is at a tipping point and **** like this is what will push it over. This man did NOTHING but ask a LEGITIMATE f'n question, you know, something the MSM SHOULD have been doing, and they're trying to destroy him for it. You libs did it with Michael Steele, illegally obtaining his credit report, Sarah Palin, and now Joe. When have the Republicans done that to a damn Dem? You guys ARE the new Nazi party. I'd rather take up arms and fight you fascist sumbitches than have to live in a DNC-controlled tyranny where people are investigated and have their lives ruined for nothing other than asking a question or posing a concern.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...89x4250520

Jonah Goldberg is debating at UNC Charlotte on the 29th. I may go and get my book autographed, talk about a timely piece of political history work.

uhmump95 Wrote:Bringing in over 250k in earnings is not the same things as having 250K in income.
If I have 275k in earnings and I pay 175K out to employees as salary expenses, I only have 100K in income. Guess what "based on what Obama said last night" I do not have to pay more taxes. Now if Joe the plumber (and some of the other Repubs) is thinking that earnings is automatically income, he does not need to be owning any business whatsoever.....

Based on their common uses, you've got "earnings" and "income" backwards, but otherwise you are on point. "Gross income" and "net income" might be better terminology. As far as I have been able to determine, the Obama tax hikes are based solely on net income.

Trying to make the $250K number sound like it will grab more people than it does is a stupid. The problems how this impacts job creation by the people who actually run businesses with over $250K of net income (and there are enough of them for this to be a problem), and what happpens next when people restructure their affairs so that incomes in the target taxation zones (and the resulting taxes) come in lower than projected. The second is the real problem; when the brackets start creeping down, a lot more people will feel the brunt. It's a short trip from "it's only 5%" to "it's only 5% more." Make that trip a couple of times, and now you are talking SERIOUS capital flight. More to the point, you are scaring away foreign capital. With our level of savings we can't sustain the economy, we have to bring money in from overseas, and this will not help.

Owl, you are right that I could have used better terminology. I just wanted to note that saying some "makes over 250k" doesn't necessarily means that it has over 250k in net income which is going to be taxed.

Rebel Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:They won't **** with Reb, he is a veteran. That would make them look bad.....

Veteran has not a damn thing to do with it. This country is at a tipping point and **** like this is what will push it over. This man did NOTHING but ask a LEGITIMATE f'n question, you know, something the MSM SHOULD have been doing, and they're trying to destroy him for it. You libs did it with Michael Steele, illegally obtaining his credit report, Sarah Palin, and now Joe. When have the Republicans done that to a damn Dem? You guys ARE the new Nazi party. I'd rather take up arms and fight you fascist sumbitches than have to live in a DNC-controlled tyranny where people are investigated and have their lives ruined for nothing other than asking a question or posing a concern.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...89x4250520

When have the republicans done this? See Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame. Leaking her identity, and ruining her career because her husband asked "a LEGITIMATE f'n question" was different how?

The media should have been asking alot more questions about Obama, and more importantly not orgasaming every time he opened his mouth. The media should also have asked alot more questions about Bush, post 9/11, but they were afraid of appearing un-American like most of congress.

Both parties dig up dirt, and sling-mud. The Republician party has been, in my opinion, superior in this area. They have also been superior in cohesion, and putting aside their differences for a common goal. Which has made me believe that they are a much more disciplined, tougher-minded party. The Obama campaign is looking more and more like a Karl Rove-driven, smash-mouth machine.

The Republicans haven't forgotten how to dig up dirt either.

"The National Republican Congressional Committee, which this year dispatched a half-dozen operatives to comb through tax, court and other records looking for damaging information on Democratic candidates, plans to spend more than 90 percent of its $50 million-plus advertising budget on what officials described as negative ads."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...01079.html

GGniner Wrote:

Rebel Wrote:

uhmump95 Wrote:They won't **** with Reb, he is a veteran. That would make them look bad.....

Veteran has not a damn thing to do with it. This country is at a tipping point and **** like this is what will push it over. This man did NOTHING but ask a LEGITIMATE f'n question, you know, something the MSM SHOULD have been doing, and they're trying to destroy him for it. You libs did it with Michael Steele, illegally obtaining his credit report, Sarah Palin, and now Joe. When have the Republicans done that to a damn Dem? You guys ARE the new Nazi party. I'd rather take up arms and fight you fascist sumbitches than have to live in a DNC-controlled tyranny where people are investigated and have their lives ruined for nothing other than asking a question or posing a concern.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/dis...89x4250520

Jonah Goldberg is debating at UNC Charlotte on the 29th. I may go and get my book autographed, talk about a timely piece of political history work.

enjoy, he's a stammering idiot, even Jon Stewart embarrased him in a 1-on-1 exchange. Republicans love to throw sh#$ then try to censor people by putting lame labels on them.

MSNBC is no worse than Fox News it's just on the other side; Republicans can't seem to stand people with free will though.