Quote:"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

Nice.

Obama is nuts. His way of spreading the wealth is by taxing businesses. This means there will be LESS money for:

Raises
Dividends
401k accounts
New positions
Benefits

Friggen' socialist.

It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

blah Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

That'd be my guess.

smn1256 Wrote:Obama is nuts. His way of spreading the wealth is by taxing businesses. This means there will be LESS money for:

Raises
Dividends
401k accounts
New positions
Benefits

Friggen' socialist.

Spreading the football around is good, spreading the wealth around is bad.

blah Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

Um, yep.

My wife owns a business that's related to the construction industry. A year ago she had 65 employees. Today she has 6 - she even laid off her sister. In order to survive she had to severely cut costs. She doesn't pay for sick days, vacations or health benefits to anyone in her company, including herself. She cut her own salary by 75% but for her remaining employees all she did was freeze their wages. We pay the entire cost of our health insurance or $987.00 per month.

Obama wants to tax businesses and provide entitlements to employees. If that happens my wife will have to shut her doors because she just can't afford it. My wife has taken all the risks associated with running a business, she even used our home to take out a loan so she could pay her bills which makes my entire family exposed. Her employees do not take financial risks yet Obama wants them to get the rewards. Will Obama provide a bail out for my wife when his tax policies close her business? Or will he blame my wife for being a CEO whose greed has led to the loss of blue collar jobs?

Communism
1. A form of socialism that abolishes private ownership
2. A political theory favoring collectivism in a classless society

firmbizzle Wrote:Spreading the football around is good, spreading the wealth around is bad.

Forcing me to spreading MY wealth around without my consent is bad. Feel free to spread yours.

blah Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

Naturally. Why else would anyone disagree with us.

cb4029 Wrote:

We're worried about you. The only time you have expressed yourself on this forum, without the use of animation, is when you said you wanted to have sex with a gay guy dressed as a woman.

blah Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

duh

blah Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

I was going to say that it was because they want a tax break, especially in light of recent financial events and no sympathy for those with lots of money; but you can go with that as well.

Fanatical Wrote:

blah Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:It is easy to see why he can appeal to 90% of the country.

Because they are gullible and stupid?

I was going to say that it was because they want a tax break, especially in light of recent financial events and no sympathy for those with lots of money; but you can go with that as well.

No Sympathy for those with lots of money?

What the hell does that mean? That because someone worked hard to get ahead, he/she should have to give back to make it even? What is the incentive for working hard? Do they not teach about communism in schools anymore?

smn1256 Wrote:Obama is nuts. His way of spreading the wealth is by taxing businesses. This means there will be LESS money for:

Raises
Dividends
401k accounts
New positions
Benefits

Friggen' socialist.

I hate to beat a dead horse...but...businesses DONT pay taxes...Taxes are part of their overhead....only individuals pay taxes. What part of that does this guy not understand. When you raise taxes on businesses, they have only 2 options...absorb them or pass them on in the price of their goods and services. I business may be able to reduce its margin once...but...eventually the consumer will pay this increase.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

Quote:"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."

"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

The economy was good w/ low taxes. Lots of people had great opportunities for success.

Percolate up economics doesn't work...well it works at putting the dollars in the hands of the few.

DrTorch Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

Quote:"Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?" the plumber asked, complaining that he was being taxed "more and more for fulfilling the American dream."
"It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they've got a chance for success too," Obama responded. "My attitude is that if the economy's good for folks from the bottom up, it's gonna be good for everybody ... I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."

The economy was good w/ low taxes. Lots of people had great opportunities for success.
Percolate up economics doesn't work...well it works at putting the dollars in the hands of the few.

Actually, its primary function is to put votes in the column of the demagogues.

blah Wrote:No Sympathy for those with lots of money?

What the hell does that mean? That because someone worked hard to get ahead, he/she should have to give back to make it even? What is the incentive for working hard? Do they not teach about communism in schools anymore?

Of course not. And please don't throw around "communism" as if any of this uses the ideas of communism. Reworking a progressive income tax structure does not nationalise wages, rework the way the government is set up and representatives being elected.

There is currently little sympathy because in the past month some of the richest folks have lost alot of people money and are still getting paid lots of money. Most people do not make over $200,000 in salary. There is a large income disparity in this nation, and Obama is playing to it. As I said earlier, it is easy to see why he can be appealing to so many people.

Fanatical Wrote:There is a large income disparity in this nation, and Obama is playing to it.

That's not only ethically wrong...it's a good way to undermine a society.

And don't bash people for bringing up communism...this is one of Marx's foundational principles. It is probably closer to pure communism than the institution you reference.