So let's get this straight... the Great Prophet Obama saw this problem in 2005 and wrote a letter to the Treasury Secretary.


Obama knew there was a problem in 2005 and he wrote a letter to Treasury Secretary?!?

No speech on the Senate floor offering solutions. No legislation sponsored to stop the total meltdown, just a letter to the Treasury Secretary.

So this is what we can expect with him as POTUS? Will he write letters to the Treasury Secretary then?

For a leader he doesn't show leadership.

sniff...... sniff...............

I love the smell of desperation..................

Machiavelli Wrote:sniff...... sniff...............

I love the smell of desperation..................

If you call trying to stop an Economic Depression Desperation. I talked to a Economist friend of mine who said one of the worst things you can do in a recession is RAISE taxes. Which candidate wants to RAISE taxes???





That one....


What do "bitter" Americans think....

let's see 14 of the last 16 years the house under R control. The presidency the last 8 years. We are damn near in a depression now. Time for CHANGE.

Machiavelli Wrote:let's see 14 of the last 16 years the house under R control. The presidency the last 8 years. We are damn near in a depression now. Time for CHANGE.

Yeah, time for the Dems to be sent home packing and the Repubs to start growing a f'n backbone and stop giving in the the damn Dems.

This problem today didn't start 14 years ago. It was brought about in the last two years by policies that WERE caused by Dems.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:No speech on the Senate floor offering solutions.

Hi solution to everything is to raise taxes. Maybe we should be glad he kept his mouth shut.

REB,

These problems have been brewing for a hell of alot longer than two years. We have lost our way as a country. Both sides. It just amazes me you can't see that through your red tinted goggles. We WILL turn this economy around when the Big Three start mass producing electric cars. Democrats have the ideas. Republicans have DRILL DRILL DRILL. Oil is the energy of the past not our future. Repubs are stuck in the past. The only damn thing they offer is tax cuts. Hell if tax cuts were the pancea you Repubs think they are we wouldn't be in this mess. That's something we have had plenty of these last 8 years. Your hatred of Democrats blinds you.

Machiavelli Wrote:REB,

These problems have been brewing for a hell of alot longer than two years. We have lost our way as a country. Both sides. It just amazes me you can't see that through your red tinted goggles. We WILL turn this economy around when the Big Three start mass producing electric cars. Democrats have the ideas. Republicans have DRILL DRILL DRILL. Oil is the energy of the past not our future. Repubs are stuck in the past. The only damn thing they offer is tax cuts. Hell if tax cuts were the pancea you Repubs think they are we wouldn't be in this mess. That's something we have had plenty of these last 8 years. Your hatred of Democrats blinds you.

I find it hard to disagree with most of this.+1.. What you touch on and yet fail to acknowledge is that your solutions have nothing to do with the government that both parties worship. It has everything with the free market responding to signals from consumers. If both sides would just get the HELL out of the way of the market and STAY THE HELL OUT..We would NOT be in the damn mess we are NOW!! Both sides are to blame for this crap by the constant meddling with both the money supply and the free market.

Machiavelli Wrote:Democrats have the ideas. Republicans have DRILL DRILL DRILL. Oil is the energy of the past not our future. Repubs are stuck in the past.

Nuclear power is the energy of the future and the democrats killed it two decades ago, back when they were scaring the crap out of us with their message of global cooling.

Machiavelli Wrote:REB,

These problems have been brewing for a hell of alot longer than two years. We have lost our way as a country. Both sides. It just amazes me you can't see that through your red tinted goggles. We WILL turn this economy around when the Big Three start mass producing electric cars. Democrats have the ideas. Republicans have DRILL DRILL DRILL. Oil is the energy of the past not our future. Repubs are stuck in the past. The only damn thing they offer is tax cuts. Hell if tax cuts were the pancea you Repubs think they are we wouldn't be in this mess. That's something we have had plenty of these last 8 years. Your hatred of Democrats blinds you.

First off, I'm NOT a Republican. I'm a former Libertarian and current Independent. Secondly, I'm a STAUNCH Capitalist. The PROBLEM we're having is due to government intervention and Republican ineptitude. When Republicans were in charge, they did NOTHING. That is NOT the same as Democrat intervention. This problem was teetering. This housing BS was on the brink. Has been for quite some time. THAT was brought about by Democrat policies and Republican ineptness. THEN we had our gas prices rise almost 4-fold. THAT was ALSO caused by Dems because they won't let us drill, won't let us build new nuclear plants, won't let us build new refineries, and don't want us to explore and extract more coal. WTF are we supposed to run our country on, promises? We are in this position we're in today due to our dependency on foreign oil and our restricted ability to find our own sources of energy.

Nuclear is a part of the solution. No doubt about it.

Machiavelli Wrote:Nuclear is a part of the solution. No doubt about it.

Machiavelli Wrote:Nuclear is a part of the solution. No doubt about it.

And the DNC candidate opposes it.

8 years w/ the great sage Gore as VP and what did the country get? NOTHING. Except rolling blackouts in CA and a massive power outage in 2001.

8 years of a >$15B budget to the DOE and what do we have. NOTHING.

Oh, we did see a reduction in R&D spending under Clinton. So thanks for that. I guess that was his tip of the hat to the free market.

Look at the states in the most trouble

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/1...Themselves

Then compare w/ the highest tax burdens
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/336.html
NJ=#1, NY=#2, MD=#4, CA= #6, RI=#10,

I know, I know: FL, NV, AL and AZ have low tax burdens...but their budgets were built disproportionally on home sales.

Fact is, you raise taxes, you kill your tax revenues.

Growth vs We feel your pain. Republicans try to grow the country out of debt, while Democrats spend the country into debt. That is the real difference. The problem is the Republicans become a lot like Democrats after Newt left as speaker. I think the worse thing for this country was Newt getting ousted from being speaker. The republicans lost their conservative ways on spending. And that let the democrats get back into power as democrats are far better at being democrats.

Rebel Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:let's see 14 of the last 16 years the house under R control. The presidency the last 8 years. We are damn near in a depression now. Time for CHANGE.

Yeah, time for the Dems to be sent home packing and the Repubs to start growing a f'n backbone and stop giving in the the damn Dems.

This problem today didn't start 14 years ago. It was brought about in the last two years by policies that WERE caused by Dems.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:REB,

These problems have been brewing for a hell of alot longer than two years. We have lost our way as a country. Both sides. It just amazes me you can't see that through your red tinted goggles. We WILL turn this economy around when the Big Three start mass producing electric cars. Democrats have the ideas. Republicans have DRILL DRILL DRILL. Oil is the energy of the past not our future. Repubs are stuck in the past. The only damn thing they offer is tax cuts. Hell if tax cuts were the pancea you Repubs think they are we wouldn't be in this mess. That's something we have had plenty of these last 8 years. Your hatred of Democrats blinds you.

I find it hard to disagree with most of this.+1.. What you touch on and yet fail to acknowledge is that your solutions have nothing to do with the government that both parties worship. It has everything with the free market responding to signals from consumers. If both sides would just get the HELL out of the way of the market and STAY THE HELL OUT..We would NOT be in the damn mess we are NOW!! Both sides are to blame for this crap by the constant meddling with both the money supply and the free market.

That is what got us in this mess-no regulations. There have to be some or things will get way out of hand. Having saod that, the regulations should beeffective but limited.

smn1256 Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:Democrats have the ideas. Republicans have DRILL DRILL DRILL. Oil is the energy of the past not our future. Repubs are stuck in the past.

Nuclear power is the energy of the future and the democrats killed it two decades ago, back when they were scaring the crap out of us with their message of global cooling.

Good. We can store the waste in your house then?

DrTorch Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:Nuclear is a part of the solution. No doubt about it.

Machiavelli Wrote:Nuclear is a part of the solution. No doubt about it.

And the DNC candidate opposes it.

8 years w/ the great sage Gore as VP and what did the country get? NOTHING. Except rolling blackouts in CA and a massive power outage in 2001.

8 years of a >$15B budget to the DOE and what do we have. NOTHING.

Oh, we did see a reduction in R&D spending under Clinton. So thanks for that. I guess that was his tip of the hat to the free market.

Look at the states in the most trouble

http://finance.yahoo.com/loans/article/1...Themselves

Then compare w/ the highest tax burdens
http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/336.html
NJ=#1, NY=#2, MD=#4, CA= #6, RI=#10,

I know, I know: FL, NV, AL and AZ have low tax burdens...but their budgets were built disproportionally on home sales.

Fact is, you raise taxes, you kill your tax revenues.

I love all this revisionist history.

desperation

Machiavelli Wrote:We WILL turn this economy around when the Big Three start mass producing electric cars.

From where do you plan to get the electricity to run them?

Democrats have ideas, true. They just don't think them through to their logical conclusions. Republicans would rather pretend the problems don't exist.

So we end up debating how much money to spend on poorly thought-out solutions. No matter how much we spend, it's not enough, because you can't make a bad idea work by spending more on it.

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:We WILL turn this economy around when the Big Three start mass producing electric cars.

From where do you plan to get the electricity to run them?

Democrats have ideas, true. They just don't think them through to their logical conclusions. Republicans would rather pretend the problems don't exist.

So we end up debating how much money to spend on poorly thought-out solutions. No matter how much we spend, it's not enough, because you can't make a bad idea work by spending more on it.

Coal, wind, solar