smn1256 Wrote:Shouldn't the Dems be proud of a working women who's also capable of raising a child or would they prefer that she be an unwed welfare mom? You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

No. Dems prefer welfare moms. It's more votes for them.

I feel sorry for Obama's girls just like I feel sorry for Palin's family. Both families probably had no idea what they're getting into initially. But Obama's family probably already has a sense of what they're facing now and that's why he was so adamant about leaving Palin's family out of it. He doesn't face sexist charges like Palin will (from both men and women) - he faces racist charges. What's the difference really?

Fort Bend Owl Wrote:I feel sorry for Obama's girls just like I feel sorry for Palin's family. Both families probably had no idea what they're getting into initially. But Obama's family probably already has a sense of what they're facing now and that's why he was so adamant about leaving Palin's family out of it. He doesn't face sexist charges like Palin will (from both men and women) - he faces racist charges. What's the difference really?

Not a lot, and that highlights what is really sad about US politics. One thing that I'm very thankful for is that in Obama, Biden, and McCain we have some candidates who know each other and respect each other and whatever the outcome they are going to have to deal with each other in the foreseeable future, so they are trying to set the proper tone. I can only hope the "Obama is a moslem" loonies and the "Palin is the grandmother" loonies stay on the sidelines; I wouldn't bet on it though.

Sarkozy divorces his wife for a bimbo half his age that he's been carrying on an affair with during the election campaign, and the French thought he was the best guy to lead the country so they elected him.

We beat the crap out of every candidate for national office to the extent that our brightest and best don't want to put their families through it (as I would not), and then we don't understand why we don't get much leadership.

This election is getting more bizzare by the second....Whats next?

Just heard a McCain PR guy on CNN doing an absolutely horrible job of defending the Palin pick.

I think they need to get the handlers out of the way and cut the Barracuda loose. I think she'll do a much better job of defending herself that that bozo just did.

Fo Shizzle Wrote:This election is getting more bizzare by the second....Whats next?

Obama raising McCain from the dead.

BTW, Sally Quinn's column in the Washington Post today sums up exactly what I was trying to say (and I hadn't read it beforehand). I guess Quinn is a little controversial so maybe that's why my statement generated some response. But if you're going to criticize me, you should at least read her column to see where I'm coming from in my thoughts.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai...polin.html

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Just heard a McCain PR guy on CNN doing an absolutely horrible job of defending the Palin pick.

I think they need to get the handlers out of the way and cut the Barracuda loose. I think she'll do a much better job of defending herself that that bozo just did.

From reading about her rise to the governorship in Alaska, she seems more than capable of taking care of herself. If you were in Alaska you did not want to get on her bad side lest you find yourself unemployed. The Barracuda nickname seems highly appropriate.

There was some talk about Biden not being able to attack her during the VP debates without appearing to be picking on a girl, so to speak. I just can't see her playing the part of a demure damsil in distress. To her credit, she seems much more comfortable going toe to toe.

This whole line of attack against Palin as being somehow unready seems to me to rest on two pretty bad assumptions:

Assumption 1: That John McCain will croak in the middle of his inauguration speech.
Assumption 2: That foreign policy is more important than anything else.

Palin may well become president some day. Unless McCain dies on or before inauguration day, she won't have to be president from day one. Unless Obama dies on or before inauguration day, he would have to be president from day one. Obama and Palin both have experience issues. One would be "a heartbeat away"; the other would be the heartbeat. Obama recognized his shortcomings and picked Joe Biden to cover his weaknesses. Looking at both tickets in their entirety, they are both balanced between an experienced person with foreign policy credentials and a less experienced one without such experience. One has the experience at the top, the other has it at the bottom. Apply the same experience standards to both, and you come up with pretty much the same results.

Ask most Americans what is their biggest issue, and they'll say energy prices. Palin has more experience with energy than Obama or Biden or McCain, or for that matter all three of them added together. She has won more battles with big oil companies than any American politician since the Standard Oil breakup in 1911. Big oil doesn't lose often.

We have spent the last year talking about how Washington is broken and we need to change it. Bring in someone from the outside and the first thing you hear about is how she doesn't have experience in Washington. You can't have it both ways. You have to pick one or the other. As for me, the "Washington is broken" argument wins going away.

jh Wrote:From reading about her rise to the governorship in Alaska, she seems more than capable of taking care of herself. If you were in Alaska you did not want to get on her bad side lest you find yourself unemployed. The Barracuda nickname seems highly appropriate.

You have one trooper, who threatened her sister, her nephew, and her father. A person also abusive, I.e., domestic assault. This would prevent him from serving his duties per the Laughtenberg Amendment.

Anymore brainbusters there, Cheech?

Fort Bend Owl Wrote:BTW, Sally Quinn's column in the Washington Post today sums up exactly what I was trying to say (and I hadn't read it beforehand). I guess Quinn is a little controversial so maybe that's why my statement generated some response. But if you're going to criticize me, you should at least read her column to see where I'm coming from in my thoughts.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai...polin.html

From the article:

Quote:Maybe this will work. Maybe McCain will win with Sarah Palin as his running mate. But if he does, it will be for all the wrong reasons.

If McC wins, what other reason can it be than it was the will of the people?

Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:Just heard a McCain PR guy on CNN doing an absolutely horrible job of defending the Palin pick.

I think they need to get the handlers out of the way and cut the Barracuda loose. I think she'll do a much better job of defending herself that that bozo just did.

Yeah, I saw that. Pretty embarrassing.

Later, they had Carville come on Larry King and show a picture of her city hall as mayor, which he compared to a bakery shop.

At Ease Wrote:Later, they had Carville come on Larry King and show a picture of her city hall as mayor, which he compared to a bakery shop.

Yeah, I'm sure that'll go over well with middle America.

Who the hell watches Larry King any more?

Fort Bend Owl Wrote:BTW, Sally Quinn's column in the Washington Post today sums up exactly what I was trying to say (and I hadn't read it beforehand). I guess Quinn is a little controversial so maybe that's why my statement generated some response. But if you're going to criticize me, you should at least read her column to see where I'm coming from in my thoughts.

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfai...polin.html

Quinn is a card carrying liberal who doesn't support women's rights, only liberal women's rights. Had your post been written about a liberal woman (that's of course a hypothetical as you'd never had said it about a liberal woman on the dem ticket) Quinn would be first in line to call you a sexist.

Using her column to illustrate your point does nothing to help you.

smn1256 Wrote:Who the hell watches Larry King any more?

I watched it the night T Booone Pickens was on.

Boone pointed out that his plan required "drill here, drill now."

King immediately went to a station break.

no idea if this got posted already, sorry if so: interesting article on how well Palin was vetted/timeframe for her selection by McCain, from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/02/us/pol...ng.html?hp

Ninerfan1 Wrote:The sexism that flows through this remark is astounding. Obama has two very young daughters. Where's your concern about that? Oh that's right, it doesn't matter because his wife will be home with them. However Palin having a husband who's a stay at home dad is somehow different.

Quote:Her willingness to take on the nomination in face of all these incredible challenges leaves a lot to be desired in both her value system,

Why does this apply to her and not Obama?

I am in awe. Special needs children, especially newborns, need exorbitant amounts of attention. I don't know how you can even begin to try and equate that with Obama's school-age kids. They aren't comparable, if you think they you're either an idiot or being disingenuous. If Trig was older, I would agree that the father could take care of him while Sarah does her job, but Trig will be less than a year old when Sarah takes office (assuming the Republicans win). I think it's very important for Sarah to be there for Trig for numerous reasons, none of which are "a woman's place is in the home".

perunapower Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:The sexism that flows through this remark is astounding. Obama has two very young daughters. Where's your concern about that? Oh that's right, it doesn't matter because his wife will be home with them. However Palin having a husband who's a stay at home dad is somehow different.

Quote:Her willingness to take on the nomination in face of all these incredible challenges leaves a lot to be desired in both her value system,

Why does this apply to her and not Obama?

I am in awe. Special needs children, especially newborns, need exorbitant amounts of attention. I don't know how you can even begin to try and equate that with Obama's school-age kids. They aren't comparable, if you think they you're either an idiot or being disingenuous. If Trig was older, I would agree that the father could take care of him while Sarah does her job, but Trig will be less than a year old when Sarah takes office (assuming the Republicans win). I think it's very important for Sarah to be there for Trig for numerous reasons, none of which are "a woman's place is in the home".

Don't bother. I pointed out the stark differences in circumstances and was told I was condemning women everywhere to kitchens and a life without shoes.

At Ease Wrote:

perunapower Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:The sexism that flows through this remark is astounding. Obama has two very young daughters. Where's your concern about that? Oh that's right, it doesn't matter because his wife will be home with them. However Palin having a husband who's a stay at home dad is somehow different.

Quote:Her willingness to take on the nomination in face of all these incredible challenges leaves a lot to be desired in both her value system,

Why does this apply to her and not Obama?

I am in awe. Special needs children, especially newborns, need exorbitant amounts of attention. I don't know how you can even begin to try and equate that with Obama's school-age kids. They aren't comparable, if you think they you're either an idiot or being disingenuous. If Trig was older, I would agree that the father could take care of him while Sarah does her job, but Trig will be less than a year old when Sarah takes office (assuming the Republicans win). I think it's very important for Sarah to be there for Trig for numerous reasons, none of which are "a woman's place is in the home".

Don't bother. I pointed out the stark differences in circumstances and was told I was condemning women everywhere to kitchens and a life without shoes.

Please inform us of what the standard should be. Women with Infants? Dad's with Infants? Special needs children? To what age? Please please give us what the qualifications should be!