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RE: AP: Paul supporters poised to hurt McCain in West
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georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:F*** the system and people like you who refuse to listen to the advice Washington gave in his farewall address.
OOOOooooooooo, touchy aren't we ! ! I can understand your frustration, but understanding what can be accomplished, within reason, and what cannot should direct your attention/efforts for success.

There has been an awful lot of introspection on the part of the GOP, since several areas of concern have arisen. It has not gone un-noticed and a change of direction is on the horizon. Either be patient or just run around in a concentric circle for a while. You'll get "there".

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I think people are tired of that bit...

I watched the republican primaries from beginning to end, and watched as Fox News laughed at Ron Paul while every other candidate tried to make himself out to be Reagan part II...

I voted for Bush in 2000, and after 6 years of a Republican administration and Republican Congress, I've had enough...

I will vote AGAINST every republican running for any position for the rest of my life

the GOP should be torn apart

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You have seen the light. 05-stirthepot
08-04-2008 06:52 PM
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Lord Stanley Wrote:Yes, a magic fairy recession with, shock, 1.9% growth last quarter. Buying power is less, but a full economic collapse? Not ONE indicator points in that direction – that is nothing but hyperbole on this matter……
Inflationary growth due Bernanke printing green as fast as he can does not equate to a healthy economy. You have to start looking at real numbers.

Look at the dollar index.
Look at the foreign currency exchange rates.
Look at unemployment.
Look at people pushed to part-time, which is now the highest it has ever been since the stat has been recorded.
Look at commodity market pricing (gold, oil, platinum, wheat, etc)
Look at the Fannie, and Freddie, and Indy, and Bear Stearns.
Look out the damn window at the gas station.

You don't want to get me started on this one. This economy is not healthy, and if you think it is, please bah like a sheep for me, or go ask the Germans familiar with Post-WWII inflation.

Quote:Or maybe the law of supply and demand comes into place here, but heck, I am no U Chicago economist.

One barrel of oil in 1999 purchased with gold cost the same as it would today purchased with gold.


Quote:As of June 30, 2008, there are about 1,427,546 people are on active duty in the military with an additional 1,458,400 people in the seven reserve components. Troop counts in Iraq and Afghanistan number 225,000. Sounds like plenty of manpower to me – and considering that no one except the lunatic fringe of the Democratic party are calling for a draft, you and others who trot this out are guilty of hyperbole. End of a superpower? Economically, the US GDP is 3 times its closest competitor, we have stockpiles of the best scientists, educators, military minds, corporate leaders, and yes, many in the government are at the top of the game. How does this all fall to the wayside so quickly? Suddenly we are Malaysia if your candidate isn’t on the ballot?
If there are troops everywhere, you want to explain why tours have been lengthened time and time again? I have family out in that sandbox who have been extended and had leave time shortened. Seems to me reality doesn't jive with your claim.


Quote:Once again, for the umpteenth time asking those who trot out this tripe, I ask for examples. I want ******* examples of jack booted brown shirts hauling old ladies off to re-education kkkamps, I want examples of how your website is being monitored by the government, I want to see pictures of book burnings, I want to see large scale camps with immigrants, I want to see the Berlin Walls equivalent along the Mexican boarder, show me the infringement of habeas corpus on the guy down the block with the Obama 08 sticker, show me soldiers forced into my living room, show my how the local mosque was searched and burned down by the FBI. YOU claimed it, now I want to see all this imaginary crap that so many of your ilk want to see.

http://www.eff.org/nsa

Unless you think Congress granted Retroactive Immunity to the Telcos because they loved them so vury vury much. Wake the f*** up would ya please?

How about the strip club owner in Las Vegas who, without warrant, was wiretapped for several months on suspicion of police bribery. Sounds like a real need to use "powers we need only to stop terrorists".

How about the owners and operators of archive.org, who got sued with new "terrorism" provisions that gagged them from talking to the media, or anybody about why they were being served papers demanding they turn over traffic log files. Why do we even know about this case if it was gagged? Archive.org joined with the ACLU and EFF and sued the United States FBI and won. Part of the provision of the settlement was to lift the gag order.

LOOK AROUND WOULD YA??

Quote:Except your day isn’t like this, is it? You wake up, drive where you want to drive, say what you want to say, do what you want to do with little or no involvement from your neighbors, your friends, the police, the local county commission, and certainly not the federales……

You want so badly to see this imaginary infringement on your rights so that you can pretend you are some sort of hero, poking back at The Man. That is what most of this capital L libertarian screed posting is on this and other websites – a small cry for attention in a political world that is passing you by without a second glance.

The "doesn't effect me so why should I care" attitude is extremely dangerous and part of the reason the country is being flushed to begin with.

Belittle all you want -- your post was massively horrendously ignorant. Everything in this reply was straight off the top of my head. I could made posts pages and pages long on why your economic and civil liberty views are flat out effing WRONG.

+1....The indoctrinated masses just cant see government for what it really is......."people using force against their neighbors to achieve their agendas" I think we agree that there is very little we can do at this point to restrain this parasite call government.04-cheers
08-04-2008 06:55 PM
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EvilVodka1 Wrote:Seems like you could say this about the current "energy crisis" as well (the one that house-republicans are so desperately trying to fabricate)

I drive around...I see people driving everywhere, people driving in hummers, SUVs, and I've yet to see anyone stranded on the road because they couldn't pay for gas

My wife's coworkers are from a very poor demographic...I've yet to hear that anyone can't make it to work

I've yet to see airlines halt flights, I've yet to see goods and services simply not get delivered

The entire "drill drill drill" mantra is pure BS, and how stupid they think we are (and some of us indeed are) that we're supposed to believe this drama on capital hill and completely forget that 6 years of a rubber-stamp congress where drilling in the U.S. could have easily been initiated

The real problem here is that republicans are not honest, are yes-men for oil companies, and have mastered the tactic "Wag the Dog"

In the last 10 years, I've watched:
- people freak out over Y2K
- people buy gas masks and duct tape to survive a terrorist holocaust
- people get duped by the Bush administration as they took a detour from Afghanistan
- people in Houston retreat in mass from a hurricane that never hit

And now, we must drill now! or else the high gas prices will cripple America!!!

Nah...

High gas prices suck, but thats about it

Quit being scared cattle, people!!!

The Drill Now Timeline.
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1980's - Not an Issue

1990's - Not an Issue

2000 - Not an Issue

2008 -Not an Issue
June 2008 - McSame meets with Oil Gods.
Oil Gods give generously to the McSame campaign.(I wonder why)

July 2008 - Drill Now becomes an issue.

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Good Lord, Stanley... hang in there.

All this rancor will pass away, with time. Just let 'em rave !
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tigertom Wrote:Good Lord, Stanley... hang in there.

All this rancor will pass away, with time. Just let 'em rave !
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You are correct...All this will eventually pass away..as has every system of government ever concieved....I hope when that happens that we can evolve to "self government" not revolve...to another monoply system of violent control.03-idea
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Lord Stanley Wrote:You want so badly to see this imaginary infringement on your rights so that you can pretend you are some sort of hero, poking back at The Man. That is what most of this capital L libertarian screed posting is on this and other websites – a small cry for attention in a political world that is passing you by without a second glance.

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Lord Stanley Wrote:You want so badly to see this imaginary infringement on your rights so that you can pretend you are some sort of hero, poking back at The Man. That is what most of this capital L libertarian screed posting is on this and other websites – a small cry for attention in a political world that is passing you by without a second glance.

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Pastor Martin Niemollers words still stand as a warning......Who will be left to protect you?
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:Pastor Martin Niemollers words still stand as a warning......Who will be left to protect you?

It damn sure won't be your type of Libertarians as you think when there's distress in my neighborhood or in my home, it's not your concern.
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:Pastor Martin Niemollers words still stand as a warning......Who will be left to protect you?

It damn sure won't be your type of Libertarians as you think when there's distress in my neighborhood or in my home, it's not your concern.

Id be your best neighbor.. Reb. I fully believe in property rights and their protection. You can join the same deal that my other 4 neighbors have with me. We have a very safe neighborhood...no need for the authorities.04-cheers
08-05-2008 05:49 AM
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:Id be your best neighbor.. Reb. I fully believe in property rights and their protection. You can join the same deal that my other 4 neighbors have with me. We have a very safe neighborhood...no need for the authorities.04-cheers

You mean like a pact? Kinda like NATO? Kinda like you're all allies? With the UN being the nutless authorities? Hey, sign me up. Seems that could work on a larger scale as well. NATO has already been mentioned.
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Lord Stanley Wrote:You want so badly to see this imaginary infringement on your rights so that you can pretend you are some sort of hero, poking back at The Man. That is what most of this capital L libertarian screed posting is on this and other websites – a small cry for attention in a political world that is passing you by without a second glance.

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Pastor Martin Niemollers words still stand as a warning......Who will be left to protect you?

Small problem, no one as "come for" anyone.

Before descending into hyperbole and paranoia I personally want to see something happening that warrants it. So far, nothing.

But as to who will protect me? Smith and Wesson my friend.
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Ninerfan1 Wrote:
Lord Stanley Wrote:You want so badly to see this imaginary infringement on your rights so that you can pretend you are some sort of hero, poking back at The Man. That is what most of this capital L libertarian screed posting is on this and other websites – a small cry for attention in a political world that is passing you by without a second glance.

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Pastor Martin Niemollers words still stand as a warning......Who will be left to protect you?

Small problem, no one as "come for" anyone.

Before descending into hyperbole and paranoia I personally want to see something happening that warrants it. So far, nothing.

But as to who will protect me? Smith and Wesson my friend.

You like the expansion of big government and its use of force....fine...Do you think your pea shooter will be enough to protect you against those in search of power? Nothing pleases a police state as much as armed oppositon...just gives them a reason to do the things that come natural to sadists.
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Fo Shizzle Wrote:You like the expansion of big government and its use of force....fine...

Never said that. I applaud your straw man though. Here's a tip for you bud, just cause I don't agree with your solution to a problem doesn't mean I think there's nothing wrong.

Quote:Do you think your pea shooter will be enough to protect you against those in search of power? Nothing pleases a police state as much as armed oppositon...just gives them a reason to do the things that come natural to sadists.

Yeah...I'm not following you off the deep end there.

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Fo Shizzle Wrote:You like the expansion of big government and its use of force....fine...

Never said that. I applaud your straw man though. Here's a tip for you bud, just cause I don't agree with your solution to a problem doesn't mean I think there's nothing wrong.

Quote:Do you think your pea shooter will be enough to protect you against those in search of power? Nothing pleases a police state as much as armed oppositon...just gives them a reason to do the things that come natural to sadists.

Yeah...I'm not following you off the deep end there.

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Just out of curosity...Do you think government can ever be restrained?...and how?
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