THAT'S THE BEST COMEBACK YOU COULD DO???????

That's almost as bad as you harping on that Lakers in four thing.

A guy who doesn't watch the NBA, and admits as such, parrots a prediction that just about every sportswriter in the country did for effect and you think this damages his credibility?

It makes me well read, and, considering the league is fixed anyway, even an accurate prediction is meaningless.

How many points did you have the Patriots winning by, incidently?

By the way- the point of my prediction was to illustrate how people wouldn't watch the NBA finals.

We heard they'd draw 15 million! We heard this was the series that would revive the league!

Instead, the peak series of the NBA barely beat out the NHL and Tiger v. Rocco. It did far more damage with the allegations of refs fixing games coming out, not to mention the shady endings of the games.

Reruns beat the NBA. The ratings were down from February prime time programing. Not exactly a return of the glory days of the Chicago Bulls!

And I love it!

Barely beat the NHL? what planet do you live on. Lol.. Game 1 vs Game 6 was a 10.4 vs 4.4. lets wait an hour or so and compare Game 6 to Game 6.

to compare apples to apples.
Game 1 of NBA Finals 10.4
Game 1 of NHL Finals 1.8

Yeah thats barely winning..

PittsburghBucs Wrote:By the way- the point of my prediction was to illustrate how people wouldn't watch the NBA finals.

We heard they'd draw 15 million! We heard this was the series that would revive the league!

Quote:ABC is reporting 17.3 million watched last night’s game 5 of the NBA Finals. The Los Angeles Lakes won game five over the Boston Celtics forcing a game six tomorrow in Boston. The series, already averaging 14.5 million seems a lock for averaging 15 million after game 6.

Quote:The 2008 NHL Stanley Cup Finals featuring the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Redwings averaged 4.48 million viewers

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH PITT ONLY READS THE HARRIS POLL!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHH HE ONLY READS THE RATINGS THAT HE WANTS TO HEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THE NHL IS SCRIPTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ORGASM!!!!

You're comparing a cable rating to a network!

Who's only reading the ratings you want to hear?

Incidentily, seems Tiger v. Rocco beat the NBA.

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/16/tv-...woods/4133

And while you're quoting The Onion, and not linking to where you are getting these dubious figures, I'm linking right to the first thing that comes up when you Google "Overnight TV Ratings."

Try again, Little Boy.

Its not the NBA's fault that no major Network wanted to be bothered covering all of the Stanley Cup games. Game 1 vs Game 1 if the NHL couldn't find a better network to air on than thats thier problem and is pretty telling actually.

I followed your link.. yeah people watched the very end of the golf match before turning over to catch the basketball game.
The evening’s viewership battle might would have been a lot closer had the golf tournament pushed more into prime-time in most of the country. However, with the 18-49 power of the NBA Finals ABC would likely have won the demo even if Tiger had been playing all night.

Fine I will go back and post every damn link. not a problem nothing dubious about those numbers.

RodShaw2 Wrote:

PittsburghBucs Wrote:By the way- the point of my prediction was to illustrate how people wouldn't watch the NBA finals.

We heard they'd draw 15 million! We heard this was the series that would revive the league!

Quote:ABC is reporting 17.3 million watched last night’s game 5 of the NBA Finals. The Los Angeles Lakes won game five over the Boston Celtics forcing a game six tomorrow in Boston. The series, already averaging 14.5 million seems a lock for averaging 15 million after game 6.

LINK to the above.


http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/16/nba...watch/4137

Quote:The 2008 NHL Stanley Cup Finals featuring the Pittsburgh Penguins and Detroit Redwings averaged 4.48 million viewers

LINK to the above

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/11/200...-2007/4103

Lets see I got my numbers from the same damn place you did, any questions??

Try again little man..

R

Last nights results.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2008/06/18/nie...inals/4173

And before Pitt starts crowing that the NBA lost to America's got talent, read this little section of the article.

Quote: Please note that especially for these NBA games, the time zone differences have made the preliminary reports practically worthless for the NBA finals, plus the last hour of the game isn’t included in these numbers

Final tally 17.3 million viewers.. Case closed Hockey loses by a mile.


R

Well, don't call yourself a Pittsburgh sports fan, Rod.

Us real fans don't take that kind of propaganda lightly.

Especially when you consider I've been tallying average viewers and you're comparing overall.

You know- just like when you compared cable numbers to network, or lying that the Pistons outdrew the Red Wings.

You also stated earlier that when I showed you how there were only 3 mil more viewers for the NBA Finals than the Stanley Cup "Well, let's see what happens when the Finals go further."

Okay, Game 6. Ought to be the most watched.

The drama building, the storyline building, all of that.

It actually went down from the previous game. Evidently, fixes to produce 39-point losses don't intrigue anyone but simpletons like you.

Hey, you want to be a Steelers fan, Rod, and I know you do because I know you want to be like me, you're going to have to learn a few things-

A- Hockey comes before basketball. That's the Pittsburgh mantra.
B- It's "pop," not "soda."
C- It's Yinz, not "y'all."
D- And the Steelers play on WDVE- the classic rock station- not WAMO- the gangsta rap station.

That will be all.

1. I am comparing Game to Game.. I can't help that hockey has to play on some scrub cable channel part of the time

2. Show me where I said Pistons did better then the Red Wings.. in context. This is just another one of your distaction tatics. Just post it stop accusing me of saying something. post the link as you say.

3. Game 6 went down.. in viewship it still drew 10+ million more then the hockey game 6 did.
The NBA finals averaged 15 million+ viewers.. Hockey averaged.. what around 4.5 million??

thats a hell of alot more then the 3 million you are trying to pawn off as the truth.

So let me get it straight. It's okay for you to compare "Game to Game," even when it is not a fair comparison, but if I compare network telecast to network telecast I'm disingenuous?

2. Somebody tried to say the Pistons did better than the Red Wings in the ratings. Are you saying it wasn't you?

That just proves my point then. It's not just contained with you- all basketball fans are idiots.

3. The NBA Finals DID NOT average 15 million! It barely got 10 in Game 1 and I think at it's peak- on a Sunday night- it barely broke 15 ONE TIME!

One thing I noticed is that they say the overnight ratings for live sporting events usually come in small and then are boosted by 3 mil.

Now, if that is the case, it would only stand to reason that the 7-8 mil that would watch the hockey games would be boosted to 10-11, right?

So really, hoops is getting, what, 3-4 mil more?

Is that really enough for basketball to claim significant superiority?

Bottom line is that basketball ratings are a fraction of what they were when Michael Jordan was playing and the NHL ratings DOUBLED!

So hockey is hot, basketball is not, and that's undeniable.

WHICH IS THE POINT I'VE BEEN MAKING ALL ALONG. I have never said hockey would outdraw basketball, nor did I believe it. There are too many Johnson City, Tennessees that have no taste whatsoever for that to happen.

But the times, they are a'changin'. Whether you want to believe it or not.

So who you gonna root for in the NFL from now on?

I never said anything about the Red Wings and Pistons, and I never said that the playoffs averaged 15 million. The site you keep refering to mentioned it. tv by the numbers see quote above for the link but here is is again.

Quote:ABC is reporting 17.3 million watched last night’s game 5 of the NBA Finals. The Los Angeles Lakes won game five over the Boston Celtics forcing a game six tomorrow in Boston. The series, already averaging 14.5 million seems a lock for averaging 15 million after game 6.

BTW if 17.3 watched game 5 and 17.3 watched game 6 how did viewership go down as you said above?
Also the 4.48 was the average number for all 6 games not an overnight rating.

That is some fancy math how are you getting 4.48 million up to 7-8 million so that you can bump it again to 10-11 millions.Then you seem to be taking 2-3 million off the NBA numbers and even with all that adding and subtracting the NBA is still up by 3-4 million viewers over the NHL. Geez talk about fiddling with the numbers to get the results you want. I posted the stats from a source you seem to trust because you have used it yourself many times . Don't blame me that they don't show what you want to be true. But keep on fiddling with them till you get what you want.

Okay folks I think I am done here. Now whats going to happen is Pitts is going to come back with some rebuttal as soon as he figures out what spin he is going to use and find something I said he can twist around a bit, if he can't he will just build his own little strawman, attribute a bunch of stuff I didn't say to me (ala the Red Wings/Piston thing) attack that and tear it down. Standard Ops for him. Now normally this is what prolongs our discussion on the board,he tells some lie and I feel I have to defend myself or he make some statement so outragous I feel compelled to call him on it. But hey I got to thinking everybody knows Pitt and very few if any believe him anyway so I shouldn't really sweat it.

He is of the belief that he posts last and longest win the agrument. If you don't believe me look at this board, 51 messages NOTcounting this one and Pitt has the final post on 25 of them if he responds here that would be 26/52 half of them. However if any of you still care and I really don't anymore and I doubt anyone else does either all the facts and figures have been laid out and linked for your viewing pleasure. I am pretty sure 99% of you can figure it out the truth if you want.


R

RodShaw2 Wrote:The NBA finals averaged 15 million+ viewers..

You most certainly did say they averaged 15 mil!

But I'm the liar. Okay.

God, you are really living out your frustrations as a failed PI on me, aren't you?

Who you gonna root for in the NFL this season?

PittsburghBucs Wrote:

RodShaw2 Wrote:The NBA finals averaged 15 million+ viewers..

You most certainly did say they averaged 15 mil!

But I'm the liar. Okay.

God, you are really living out your frustrations as a failed PI on me, aren't you?

Who you gonna root for in the NFL this season?

See he draws me in a again by taking one little thing me out of context? Just like I said he would. yep same old Pitt.Now this is classic Pitt. take one really small part, remove it from all context. highlight, attack that, ignore rest of post. Pretty standard stuff, can't believe he hasnt' been able to develop anything new after all these years but I actually think he might be delusional to believe it works.


I didn't just make up a number I didn't just say the NBA drew 15+ million fans. . I didn't say the NBA drew 15 million fans. ABC did I used their numbers. If that numbers turns out not to be accurate it will not be a case of me telling a lie, it will be a case of ABC not reporting the correct numbers. I dont' have any reason to believe that is the case but I figured I would go ahead and cover it.

I took the information from an online source, I linked it. A source that you must think is a good one because it is the same one you have used. If you wish to call into question my numbers you are calling in to question your numbers as well. Well keep scrouring my post and see what else you find to try and twist.

Geez I tell people what he is going to do and he can't resist the urge and goes ahead and does it anyway, proving me right.

Thanks for proving my point Pitt, great example, couldn't have thought of a better or more petty one myself.

RZ

Now could you please give us another example? I know you can....

Rod- I know you're a failed PI.

Now you're a failed psychologist too.

And I really feel bad for you because if there is one gift I could give the world it would be for every man to have their own Suzanne Pleschette. Emily Hartley is DEFINITELY in every man's coffee table book!

You are the one who pulled out a throwaway line and tried to use it to take away my credibility from making the point that hockey ratings are up and hoops ratings are down.

Now, you're denying something you said that is open for everyone to read!

In post No. 31, you wrote- "The NBA finals averaged 15 million+ viewers"

WHen I pointed out that was inaccurate, in post No. 33 you wrote-

"I never said that the playoffs averaged 15 million."

YOU DID SO IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST!

Do I have to go on?

Now, every so often you get into this mode. You did back in the day when you tried to start threads that said "NOBODY RESPOND TO PITT!"

And everyone ignored you!

Why?

Because what I have to say comes from knowledge and intelligence. They know that I have a gift for bringing up legitimate criticisms and unique points on the world of sports that are often humorous and original.

And you are jealous of this because I am the New England born offspring of two PhDs (yet couldn't care less about the Celtics!) and you are a Bumfuk from east Tennessee and the product of inbreeding.

This gives you the advantage when playing the banjo, but little else.

So go ahead. Analyze my posts. Say that I pick and choose something insignificant while you call me out on basketball predictions, as if somehow that was significant.

I can play psychologist. You clearly there are transforming your own actions and trying to pin them on me.

Rod, a smarter man would understand that when I tweak your nose, like I did four paragraphs ago, it is akin to going to a Don Rickles show and being called a hockey puck.

You seem to get all offended and go on these pointless agendas! You don't even begin to realize that by defending ETSU administration against my barbs you are in effect supporting every lousy decision they've done.

The only thing I can figure out is that I must have touched a nerve somewhere. I think it's jealousy.

But if you want to be the board leader, you've got to be able to come up with topics better than "Ken Campbell, Proven Winner."

Oh- and hockey is up and basketball is down.

BASKETBALL UP.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketbal...ings_N.htm

Quote:Despite a simmering back-burner scandal that momentarily disrupted the NBA's marquee event, the Boston Celtics-Los Angeles Lakers championship reunion ended with the sound of corks popping — outside the locker room, too.
ABC's ratings for the Finals were the highest in eight years, even with the distraction of former NBA referee Tim Donaghy's allegations of playoff game-fixing in prior postseasons by referees.

Game 6 on Tuesday, in which the Celtics clinched the title, blasting the Lakers 131-92, had a 10.7 rating, the highest since Game 6 of the 2000 Finals between the Lakers and Indiana Pacers drew 14.7.

Overall, the series drew 9.3% of U.S. households. That's up 51% over last year's Cleveland-San Antonio series, which was the lowest-rated Finals ever at 6.2.

The outcome pleased Celtic legend Larry Bird, who, like everyone else, waited 22 years to hoist another banner. "I'm happy for the Celtics and the city of Boston. I know what it means to win a championship as a Celtic and the place championships hold in the history of the franchise," said Bird, the Pacers' president.

FIND MORE STORIES IN: Boston Red Sox | Patriots | Game | NBA Finals | Indiana Pacers | Larry Bird | Tim Donaghy | Mayor Thomas Menino | Copley Square | MVP Kobe Bryant | Boston Celtics-Los Angeles Lakers
Celtics fans will get to continue their celebration today at 11 a.m. ET with a "rolling rally" carrying the players, owners, staffers and former Celtics greats through the streets of Boston, ending at Copley Square.

"We're a city of champions," said Mayor Thomas Menino, referring to the five other championship parades held in Boston since 2002, three by the Patriots and two by the Red Sox. "We are 'Title Town.' "

Even league MVP Kobe Bryant, who left town a loser with the Lakers, had good things to say.

"I think a lot of people enjoyed it," Bryant said. "I got a chance to revisit a lot of classic confrontations. We lived those in the series, (along with) the 'Beat L.A.' chants and all that stuff. It was fun to be part of."

Dang I guess ABC was wrong it looks like the average turned out to be
14.95 million or so when all was said and done. BTW thats not me saying that, that is what is being reported by Tv by the numbers. ABC rounded up and is still reporting 15 milliion.


http://tvbythenumbers.com/

Quote:ABC reports that 16.9 million viewers watched last night’s series-clinching victory where the Boston Celtics won their 17th championship in six games. It was the second most watched game of the series. ABC also reports that for the six games, the series averaged *exactly* 15 million viewers. Bill and I had a little bet around whether the series would generate 15 million average viewers or not. I took the under, Bill took the over.

The real number is more like 14.95 million, which is under 15 million. I won’t be quick to call this a “push” with Mr. Gorman. But I can wait a few days to take all the significant digits into account. From Bill and my point of view, it worked out well, but will ABC be disappointed?

http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/05/2...n-ratings/

I think this summons up the whole NHL hockey ratings hype pretty well.

Quote:The bottom line for them both: When your ratings are more or less completely in the toilet, it makes it that much easier to show a dramatic improvement, especially over the short term. I can't quibble with that conclusion, as I wrote much the same thing a couple of weeks back when the league started to tout its improving numbers on Versus. And as I wrote back on May 14, when Sponge Bob Square Pants is kicking your butt on a regular basis, you still have a long way to go.