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To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
.....this may not necessarily change your mind, but this is a very good thing for ETSU and this region, not to mention helping in a small way to foster increased international understanding and friendship:


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05-22-2008 10:49 PM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
How can anyone be opposed to this

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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
It's that sort of thing that really makes me hold Coach Steve Brooks in the highest regard.
05-23-2008 09:48 AM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
I think most of the people that claim to be opposed to foreign scholarship athletes are actually opposed to the idea of almost the entire team being made up of foreign athletes especially when you claim to be a regional university.

I personally think you find the best athletes that are willing to come to your school even if that means foreign players. There will always be a debate about who the best athletes are. Football and basketball probably has to be a little sensitive to the hometown/region for marketing/donation reasons but nobody watches tennis anyway so you might as well win some games.

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05-23-2008 11:23 AM
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Wow..
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
Quote:....nobody watches tennis anyway.....

The stands (such as they are) were more than full for the ASun championships, with lots and lots more standing around the fence - and that was for both the men's and women's. In fact, I think it is true that there were more people there for the women's tennis championships than for a women's basketball game - perhaps double, even.

Quote:I personally think you find the best athletes that are willing to come to your school even if that means foreign players.

That's right. If you're the coach of whatever team, you are supposed to do your job the best that you can, and at the college level, a lot of that job is to win. If you're competing against other teams that are trying to get the best players, you do what you can, within the rules, to compete and win, while still upholding academic standards. I've been making that point for years, and the ETSU tennis teams have done a fantastic job of that for decades.
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To fill the stands of the tennis facility there would be 100 fans on hand.

That doesn't impress me.
06-05-2008 08:44 AM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
That's a mighty quick reply there.....

Not trying to impress anyone - just reporting, and making the point that if "...nobody watches tennis anyway....", then less than "nobody" watches women's basketball.
To get a bit more specific, since the tennis tournament went on for several hours, I'd venture a guess that probably 200-300 people were there for at least part of the match, with a peak crowd of about 125-150. Remember, there were probably nearly as many standing outside the fences as on the bleachers.
Also, the day before, there were at least as many, probably more, since the women were also playing.

I am in no way suggesting that tennis will ever become as spectator-popular as the "major" sports. [And in case you were wondering, that is a correct use of a hyphen, just for you.]
06-05-2008 09:19 AM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
Now, I have always said that I would hope any college in this country would be receptive to accepting students from wherever.

However, the problem with the heavy influx of foreign athletes are as follows-

A- Other sports have not been able to recruit overseas. Ed DeChellis wanted to get some players from Europe and was turned down.

Football wasn't even able to recruit Florida at the end.

When you can get a team FULLY LOADED with foreign born players, but you can't get your football team to recruit Florida and it eventually has to go, then something is wrong.

B- If you are going to go this route, then you'd better win. And NOT JUST THE A-SUN.

Which golf didn't do.

When Clemson won the NCAA Golf Title four years ago, the Tigers were comprised totally of South Carolinians.

In 2007, ETSU lost the Bank of Tennessee Tournament by a stroke to the Vols when a native Tennesseean, Phil Pettite, hit the final putt in for a birdie.

Less time on England, more time in Tennessee and the Bucs win the tourney.

This season ETSU finished No. 23 in the country. Chattanooga, by comparison, had four native-Tennesseeans on their roster, including their best player, Jefferson City's Jonathan Hodge. The Mocs finished 12th in the nation.

Hodge's season scoring average was the equal of Gareth Shaw.

Tennessee finished 10th in the country. They had five Tennessee natives on their roster.

ETSU did not win a tournament last year.

The fact is ETSU puts all their eggs in the golf basket and they get no return.

I am convinced it is because Fred Warren has manipulated the athletic department to serve himself. Mullins could have done a great thing if he allowed Warren to leave instead of giving him a 10-year contract to continue to underachieve while letting local golfers go off to other state schools and beat the Bucs.
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In the NCAA victory against Notre Dame, the ETSU men had a dual match against a team featuring Nashville's Tyler Davis.

Davis, a freshman, was the only Tennesseean on the two teams.

The Bucs did not beat him. Their team could only play Davis' team to a 7-7 unfinished match.
06-05-2008 09:48 AM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
Looking at National Champion Texas, half of their players come from the Lone Star State. Their No. 2 player is from Colorado. And two of the players are from Mexico, which I think in the case of Texas does qualify for something of a local player.
06-05-2008 10:06 AM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
PittsburghBucs Wrote:In the NCAA victory against Notre Dame, the ETSU men had a dual match against a team featuring Nashville's Tyler Davis.

Davis, a freshman, was the only Tennesseean on the two teams.

The Bucs did not beat him. Their team could only play Davis' team to a 7-7 unfinished match.


So your saying that the fact that a Catholic kid from Nashville with really really good grades decided to go to Notre Dame and play tennis
reflects badly on ETSU's recruiting practices? Your proof being that he plays on Notre Dames #3 doubles team and thats teams match againist ETSU's #3 team was tied when it was called off because ETSU had already clinched the win? Okay..

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06-05-2008 10:54 AM
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RE: To those opposed to having foreign scholarship athletes at ETSU.........
It's great that you're helping this board continue to raise it's tennis IQ. Please continue..........

However.................Georgia beat Texas to win the team title, becoming the first repeat winner since Stanford 10 years ago. (Don't know how you could get that wrong.)
Also, I assume by "dual match", you mean "doubles". And by "featuring", I assume you mean "including". Since Davis didn't even make the singles lineup, I think using "featuring" is a tad, shall we say, overstated?
I know, you always have a bit of trouble with this "facts" stuff - but keep trying, being a reporter is tough, we know..........

By the way, the #1 player for Georgia, Travis Helgeson, has a brother, Brett, who was on the Notre Dame team, and narrowly beat Enrique Olivares at #1 singles in that match.
Also, J.P. Smith of UT (TN, not TX), who beat Olivares in the round of 16 in the singles tournament, made it all the way to the finals before losing to that real hoss Somdev Devvarman of Chennai, India.
06-05-2008 10:55 AM
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The way I got that wrong is that nobody cares about tennis, as your "capacity crowd" of 100 people proves.

Why wouldn't a kid, religion aside, want to go to a school that makes his sport a priority, instead of one where it's going to be way down on the totem pole?

Perhaps because said "tennis priority" school isn't even looking in Tennessee for players?
06-05-2008 11:08 AM
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Quote:The way I got that wrong is that nobody cares about tennis, as your "capacity crowd" of 100 people proves.

Are you serious?? Blaming "nobody cares about tennis" for such an obvious mistake? And you expect us (or at least newbies) to swallow your other "excuses" for misrepresenting (to be nice) the truth. Like I wrote earlier, dude, grow up. Act like a man and take some responsibility when you're wrong about things.
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By the way, I don't know how far Texas went. Misread the bracket, which the NCAA holds in such high regard that they don't print the results themselves, but instead give it to TULSA to post-

http://tulsahurricane.cstv.com/sports/m-...acket.html

So I read Texas first on the line.

Point is, the No. 1, the No. 2 team in the country has an American influence.

However, I'm glad you corrected me.

National Champion Georgia is made up 2/3 of Americans.

ALL THREE of their top players, on the national championship team, are from America.

Thank you, therefore, for proving my point and CONTINUING to put your foot in your mouth.
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Now, to address the tennis aspect of your last post, thank you again for at least attempting to raise the tennis IQ of this board, but you've got a long way to go.....

Don't you think Mullins and/or Zaatini wouldn't have loved to have gotten the Rogers kid from Kingsport to come here? Instead, he decided to go down and walk on at UT. And on the women's side, we *have* gotten Tara Byrne from Johnson City and Tara Sheets from Gate City to join on.
Come on man, Science Hill has won back-to-back state titles in boys tennis. Kingsport won before that. Science Hill won a couple others times not long before that. I think the Big 9 Conference has won like 7 out of the last 10 state titles in boys (just an estimate). And yet......most of their players play for teams like Milligan (nothing wrong with that). (In fact, the top two players from Dobyns-Bennett just signed with Milligan.) You just don't realize how hard it is to get top-ranked juniors to go to a place like ETSU. However, with this success, it could get easier (just like any sport).
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Quote:By the way, I don't know how far Texas went.

Goodness gracious. Did you even read my post?

Quote:However.................Georgia beat Texas to win the team title.......

And you say I put *my* foot in *my* mouth?????
I think you just may have gone over the edge, dude.........
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Addenda: for those who haven't thought this through, Texas and Georgia, who do have many U.S. players, also are what are known as "warm weather" states, compared to East Tennessee. Florida, California, and to a lesser extent, TX, GA, AZ and SC produce more top level tennis players per capita because they have more playable tennis days than other states. Some northern states, knowing there is a dearth of available weather for tennis, build lots more indoor tennis facilities, as they have in OH, MI, NY, etc. TN is sort of an "in between" state in that regard.

Furthermore, if you are a high school senior, where sounds more appealing to go to college, Austin and Athens, or Johnson City?
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PittsburghBucs Wrote:The way I got that wrong is that nobody cares about tennis, as your "capacity crowd" of 100 people proves.

Why wouldn't a kid, religion aside, want to go to a school that makes his sport a priority, instead of one where it's going to be way down on the totem pole?

Perhaps because said "tennis priority" school isn't even looking in Tennessee for players?


Notre Dame was ranked 26th going into that match ETSU 41st so Notre Dame must like tennis a little. Besides yeah the kid is from Tennessee but isn't like he was a local.
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