Why Obama's Speech Was Unconvincing

Quote:Now to Obama's grandmother. There was a time spanning the 70's to the mid-90's when many blacks and whites in large American cities expressed the same feelings on street crime held by Obama's grandmother. Indeed, Reverend Jesse Jackson made similar comments in 1993 at a meeting of his organization, Operation Push, devoted to street crime. According to a November 29, 1993, article in the Chicago Sun-Times, he said, "'We must face the No. 1 critical issue of our day. It is youth crime in general and black-on-black crime in particular.' Then Jackson told the audience, 'There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved....After all we have been through,' he said. 'Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating.'"

Quote:Isn't that exactly what Obama's grandmother was referring to? To equate her fears, similar to Jesse Jackson's, with Wright's anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-Israel rantings is despicable coming from a grandson. In today's vernacular, he threw her under the wheels of the bus to keep his presidential campaign rolling.
For shame

I just heard for the first time quotes from Obama's recorded book, recorded by him. Absolutely shocking, but it does explain how he found it acceptable to listen to Mr. Wright's rantings for 20 years.

"... but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

How come the author of the article left the second part of his statement about his Grandma out (when making his comparison), the one where she made racial & ethnic sterotypes? Those would seem pretty close to anti-white & anti-Jew statements, wouldn't they?

Now whether or not it's ever acceptable to criticize grandma in a political speech is an entirely different ballgame, but the comparison is more apt than the author would suggest.

This is the 5th thread started about Obama and his ex-pastor. 4 of them by NC one by WMD. I didn't realize the other 4 filled up so fast. Hmm.

jh Wrote:"... but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe."

How come the author of the article left the second part of his statement about his Grandma out (when making his comparison), the one where she made racial & ethnic sterotypes? Those would seem pretty close to anti-white & anti-Jew statements, wouldn't they?

Now whether or not it's ever acceptable to criticize grandma in a political speech is an entirely different ballgame, but the comparison is more apt than the author would suggest.

Discussing racial and ethnic stereotypes doesn't make someone anti-black, jew, mexican, etc. I discuss and make fun of stereotypes all the time. There's a reason that stereotypes even come about in the first place.

Machiavelli Wrote:This is the 5th thread started about Obama and his ex-pastor. 4 of them by NC one by WMD. I didn't realize the other 4 filled up so fast. Hmm.

Just try to elighten folks about this Marxist uniter. His views on everything are far left.

His relationship with Mr. Wright and Mr. Wright's views/teachings/beliefs are NOT a minor gaffe, this clearly defines Obama. Obama's beliefs as he clearly stated in his first book were largely ignored but that book and his 20 year relationship with Mr. Wright open a window into Obama's values and beliefs and they aren't what is needed if the nation is looking for a uniter.

Machiavelli Wrote:This is the 5th thread started about Obama and his ex-pastor. 4 of them by NC one by WMD. I didn't realize the other 4 filled up so fast. Hmm.

They are just jealous of Obama.

dfarr Wrote:Discussing racial and ethnic stereotypes doesn't make someone anti-black, jew, mexican, etc. I discuss and make fun of stereotypes all the time. There's a reason that stereotypes even come about in the first place.

Generally ignorance.

Well, "Rev." Wright has cancelled his appearances in Tampa and Houston, and he may soon cancel the one in Dallas Fort Worth, citing "security concerns."

Security concerns have prompted the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to cancel his appearance at Houston's Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church for the first time in two decades.

Wheeler's pastor, the Rev. Marcus Cosby, said Wright cited three reasons for his cancellation — "the safety of the institution to which he has been invited; ... the safety of his family, which has been placed in harm's way; and for his own safety.".

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5648912.html

Actually, I think the only true "concern" is from the Obama campaign who is a afraid that "Rev." Wright will give one of his trademarked "Sermons of Hate" that will be caught on video and cause Obama more problems. They can't seem to put this fire out...

It's out but people are fanning the embers. Hillary is trying to pur gas on them and the right is putting on kindling. Both pathetic and desperate. They can't attack the guy on ideas, what else can you do. I don't blame them, each is trying to win in their small and petty ways.

Machiavelli Wrote:It's out but people are fanning the embers. Hillary is trying to pur gas on them and the right is putting on kindling. Both pathetic and desperate. They can't attack the guy on ideas, what else can you do. I don't blame them, each is trying to win in their small and petty ways.

Well, Hillary's ideas aren't much different than Obama's, so she can't attack him on that. Neither of them have enough real world experience to be president, so they can't really challenge each other on that either.

dfarr Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:It's out but people are fanning the embers. Hillary is trying to pur gas on them and the right is putting on kindling. Both pathetic and desperate. They can't attack the guy on ideas, what else can you do. I don't blame them, each is trying to win in their small and petty ways.

Well, Hillary's ideas aren't much different than Obama's, so she can't attack him on that. Neither of them have enough real world experience to be president, so they can't really challenge each other on that either.

Yeah, but Barack is for hope and change. He's like, magic and stuff.

Quote:Yeah, but Barack is for hope and change. He's like, magic and stuff.

I guess the other 2 major candidates must be a huge improvement over Obama?

WMD Owl Wrote:Well, "Rev." Wright has cancelled his appearances in Tampa and Houston, and he may soon cancel the one in Dallas Fort Worth, citing "security concerns."

Security concerns have prompted the Rev. Jeremiah Wright to cancel his appearance at Houston's Wheeler Avenue Baptist Church for the first time in two decades.

Wheeler's pastor, the Rev. Marcus Cosby, said Wright cited three reasons for his cancellation — "the safety of the institution to which he has been invited; ... the safety of his family, which has been placed in harm's way; and for his own safety.".

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5648912.html

Actually, I think the only true "concern" is from the Obama campaign who is a afraid that "Rev." Wright will give one of his trademarked "Sermons of Hate" that will be caught on video and cause Obama more problems. They can't seem to put this fire out...

Maybe he's afraid of being thrown under a bus.

Quote:Isn't that exactly what Obama's grandmother was referring to? To equate her fears, similar to Jesse Jackson's, with Wright's anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-Israel rantings is despicable coming from a grandson. In today's vernacular, he threw her under the wheels of the bus to keep his presidential campaign rolling.

Machiavelli Wrote:It's out but people are fanning the embers. Hillary is trying to pur gas on them and the right is putting on kindling. Both pathetic and desperate. They can't attack the guy on ideas, what else can you do. I don't blame them, each is trying to win in their small and petty ways.

What do you mean, "can't attack the guy on ideas"? That's exactly what lots of folks are pointing out, his real philosophy on race and "typical white people". Just look at his own statements from his first book. His own ideas he doesn't want to talk about are very important after all he highlights some of his values in his book, and lives his values by the church he attends.

Will he view Al Qaeda and Hamas as terrorist organizations or political visionaries aimed and world unity and peace?

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:It's out but people are fanning the embers. Hillary is trying to pur gas on them and the right is putting on kindling. Both pathetic and desperate. They can't attack the guy on ideas, what else can you do. I don't blame them, each is trying to win in their small and petty ways.

What do you mean, "can't attack the guy on ideas"? That's exactly what lots of folks are pointing out, his real philosophy on race and "typical white people". Just look at his own statements from his first book. His own ideas he doesn't want to talk about are very important after all he highlights some of his values in his book, and lives his values by the church he attends.

Will he view Al Qaeda and Hamas as terrorist organizations or political visionaries aimed and world unity and peace?

I think the real world isn't suiting you very well. Maybe you should think about heading back to WV and back into the coal mines with your peers.

RobertN Wrote:

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:

Machiavelli Wrote:It's out but people are fanning the embers. Hillary is trying to pur gas on them and the right is putting on kindling. Both pathetic and desperate. They can't attack the guy on ideas, what else can you do. I don't blame them, each is trying to win in their small and petty ways.

What do you mean, "can't attack the guy on ideas"? That's exactly what lots of folks are pointing out, his real philosophy on race and "typical white people". Just look at his own statements from his first book. His own ideas he doesn't want to talk about are very important after all he highlights some of his values in his book, and lives his values by the church he attends.

Will he view Al Qaeda and Hamas as terrorist organizations or political visionaries aimed and world unity and peace?

I think the real world isn't suiting you very well. Maybe you should think about heading back to WV and back into the coal mines with your peers.

The real world isn't the problem it's the fairytale world that Obama has sold so many ignorant souls that worries me. I'm just trying to education a few lost souls and break the spell before they drink the koolaid, is it too late for you.

THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Maybe he's afraid of being thrown under a bus.

Quote:Isn't that exactly what Obama's grandmother was referring to? To equate her fears, similar to Jesse Jackson's, with Wright's anti-American, anti-white, anti-Jew, and anti-Israel rantings is despicable coming from a grandson. In today's vernacular, he threw her under the wheels of the bus to keep his presidential campaign rolling.

Well, there is a Metro Light Rail Station not too far from the church. That would shut him up once and for all...