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'Barack Obama Is Not Jesus'
From the Left:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/200...esus/#more
Quote:Excuse me, but this sounds more like a cult than a political campaign. The language used here is the language of evangelical Christianity – the Obama volunteers speak of "coming to Obama" in the same way born-again Christians talk about "coming to Jesus."

But he's not Jesus! He's not going to magically enable us to transcend the bitter partisanship that is tearing this country apart. And even if he is elected, in no way will that show that somehow we have "gotten beyond" race.

The Obama campaign's instruction to their volunteers to steer clear of policy questions. How can we truly bring about real political change if the movement the Obama people are building is devoid of ideological content, content merely to mouth gauzy generalities about "coming together" and "yes we can"? Such a movement becomes a cult or personality rather than engine for social justice and political transformation. And personality cults can be a huge turnoff to those who are not already drinking the Kool-Aid.

but the secular messiah promised to "Build a Kingdom" right here on earth, dang it!

So what if we are channeling Robert Redford from the 1972 movie, "The candidate", with the politics of feelings and emotions over substance and record......we want our messiah and his Kingdom and we want it now! If not our feelings will be hurt.

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GGniner Wrote:From the Left:

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/200...esus/#more
Quote:Excuse me, but this sounds more like a cult than a political campaign. The language used here is the language of evangelical Christianity – the Obama volunteers speak of "coming to Obama" in the same way born-again Christians talk about "coming to Jesus."

But he's not Jesus! He's not going to magically enable us to transcend the bitter partisanship that is tearing this country apart. And even if he is elected, in no way will that show that somehow we have "gotten beyond" race.

The Obama campaign's instruction to their volunteers to steer clear of policy questions. How can we truly bring about real political change if the movement the Obama people are building is devoid of ideological content, content merely to mouth gauzy generalities about "coming together" and "yes we can"? Such a movement becomes a cult or personality rather than engine for social justice and political transformation. And personality cults can be a huge turnoff to those who are not already drinking the Kool-Aid.

but the secular messiah promised to "Build a Kingdom" right here on earth, dang it!

So what if we are channeling Robert Redford from the 1972 movie, "The candidate", with the politics of feelings and emotions over substance and record......we want our messiah and his Kingdom and we want it now! If not our feelings will be hurt.

05-stirthepot

I have been thinking the same thing for a while. Here is someone that is a good speaker and doesn't show when he gets mad. When you listen to the content of his speech its all fluff and no stuff.

Buzz words used

Hope
Change
Politics as ususal

What is not said.
Hope is a happy word, but an abstract, it is different for every person. What does he mean by hope other than the old cliche "A chicken in every pot."

Change not necessarily a bad thing but Change What?

Politics as usual, well if he doesn't start with "politics as ususal" he'll be on constant conflict with his own party in the House and Senate.

I've heard him talk about people wanting better pay and better jobs, but not how he would create them. I've heard him talk about health insurance for everyone but not how he would keep U.S. citizens from paying illegal aliens to participate in this. I've heard him talk about turning tail and running but nothing about what he would do if the Iraqi government collapsed after this further destablizing the region.

People hear Hope, Change, end of Politics as Usual and don't care about how.

My fear they are following a man not a message. I don't think Obama is a bad person, but one day there will be a very bad person that can charm people like this and that person will bring very big trouble.
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THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I have been thinking the same thing for a while. Here is someone that is a good speaker and doesn't show when he gets mad. When you listen to the content of his speech its all fluff and no stuff.

Buzz words used

Hope
Change
Politics as ususal

You are correct. Its all very slick and packaged. Very little substance.

Of course Obama's Media Consultants are the some of the bigwigs of "Harpo Productions" Oprah Winfrey's Production Company.

I heard something that McCain has told his media advisor Mark McKinnion, -"no hard negative ads on Obama".

http://media.nationalreview.com/post/?q=...FjNzAwOGI=

McKinnion is a Democrat and used to be Bush's media advisor.

When it all boils down to it, Obama is a Democrat version of this guy...
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WMD Owl Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:I have been thinking the same thing for a while. Here is someone that is a good speaker and doesn't show when he gets mad. When you listen to the content of his speech its all fluff and no stuff.

Buzz words used

Hope
Change
Politics as ususal

You are correct. Its all very slick and packaged. Very little substance.

Of course Obama's Media Consultants are the some of the bigwigs of "Harpo Productions" Oprah Winfrey's Production Company.

I heard something that McCain has told his media advisor Mark McKinnion, -"no hard negative ads on Obama".

McKinnion is a Democrat and used to be Bush's media advisor.

When it all boils down to it, Obama is a Democrat version of this guy...
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Have you seen any of his speeches besides after winning a state(which nobody would really expect him to state anything but what he has done-thank you and pump up the crowd)? HAve you seen one on C-SPAN? He most definately tells you his positions and at least the ones I have seen, he allows the audience to ask questions and answers them. Of course, you keep on believing that he doesn't tell about his positions because you watch Faux which doesn't show his speeches and tells you what you want to hear. Oh, guess what, he also has a website to get info. Imagine that! Now go stick your head back in the sand like a good conservative.
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RobertN Wrote:Have you seen any of his speeches besides after winning a state(which nobody would really expect him to state anything but what he has done-thank you and pump up the crowd)? HAve you seen one on C-SPAN? He most definately tells you his positions and at least the ones I have seen, he allows the audience to ask questions and answers them. Of course, you keep on believing that he doesn't tell about his positions because you watch Faux which doesn't show his speeches and tells you what you want to hear. Oh, guess what, he also has a website to get info. Imagine that! Now go stick your head back in the sand like a good conservative.

Clearly Obama isn't Jesus or else Robert Al-N would hate him.
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THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:...but one day there will be a very bad person that can charm people like this and that person will bring very big trouble.

At risk of derailing the thread...
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I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, but this is what I thought of.
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on a related note for those interested, NRO has an interview with Shelby Steele who has a book out on Obama. It's pretty interesting, paticularly what he says about Bill Cosby and Oprah. This is the intellectual, who happens to be black, that wrote the book "White Guilt" last year. Now his new book is about Obama. The mainstream media ignored him.

http://tv.nationalreview.com/uncommonknowledge/
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Dude, what the hell is this?

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It is like a car wreck, you don't want to watch, but you have to. The guy in the middle is the creepiest, but the guy in the top left is a very close second.
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I don't see any particular reason to care what this one person says about Obama, simply because he wrote a book on him.
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I like the guy directly behind and to the right of the guy in the middle, WTF is going on there?

I pulled it off another site, and I've gotten a few comments on it. It's from some old silent movie, I think Metropolis.
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He's got Obamaphilia


Quote:You are embarrassing yourselves. With your "Yes We Can" music video, your "Fired Up, Ready to Go" song, your endless chatter about how he's the first one to inspire you, to make you really feel something -- it's as if you're tacking photos of Barack Obama to your locker, secretly slipping him little notes that read, "Do you like me? Check yes or no." Some of you even cry at his speeches. If I were Obama, and you voted for me, I would so never call you again.

And Obama Wept

Quote:Inspiration is nice. But some folks seem to be getting out of hand.

It's as if Tom Daschle descended from on high saying, "Be not afraid; for behold I bring you good tidings of great joy which shall be to all the people: for there is born to you this day in the city of Chicago a Savior, who is Barack the Democrat."

I don't think anyone is trying to knock Obama, but his followers, disciples... 01-wingedeagle
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Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:...but one day there will be a very bad person that can charm people like this and that person will bring very big trouble.

At risk of derailing the thread...
[Image: Adolf%20Hitler_small.jpg]
I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, but this is what I thought of.

I agree 100% with your post, absolutely nothing about Obama, but the way people follow him with an almost blind allegiance. If the wrong person see's this and has the right skills you get just what Germany got.
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THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:
Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:...but one day there will be a very bad person that can charm people like this and that person will bring very big trouble.

At risk of derailing the thread...
[Image: Adolf%20Hitler_small.jpg]
I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, but this is what I thought of.

I agree 100% with your post, absolutely nothing about Obama, but the way people follow him with an almost blind allegiance. If the wrong person see's this and has the right skills you get just what Germany got.
You mean the way you neocon rightwing Christian nutcases followed Bush in blind allegiance? There is nothing wrong with it if Bush does it but it is HORRIBLE if Obama does it? You weren't one of the props with mops or one of the athletes that got the answers to the test are you?
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RobertN Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:
Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:...but one day there will be a very bad person that can charm people like this and that person will bring very big trouble.

At risk of derailing the thread...
[Image: Adolf%20Hitler_small.jpg]
I am not comparing Obama to Hitler, but this is what I thought of.

I agree 100% with your post, absolutely nothing about Obama, but the way people follow him with an almost blind allegiance. If the wrong person see's this and has the right skills you get just what Germany got.
You mean the way you neocon rightwing Christian nutcases followed Bush in blind allegiance? There is nothing wrong with it if Bush does it but it is HORRIBLE if Obama does it? You weren't one of the props with mops or one of the athletes that got the answers to the test are you?

Yep...Socialists on one side....Fascists on the other...both in a pointless and moronic debate about which one will point the golden gun of government at its slaves.07-coffee3
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RobertN Wrote:You mean the way you neocon rightwing Christian nutcases followed Bush in blind allegiance? There is nothing wrong with it if Bush does it but it is HORRIBLE if Obama does it? You weren't one of the props with mops or one of the athletes that got the answers to the test are you?

It was either Bush or the flip-flopping imbecile Senator from Massachusetts.

As for your little swipe at Marshall, what does that have to do with anything?

Don't get mad at me for making some of the same observations made by folks associated with liberal media outlets like the LA Times and ABC News.
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Can we add Reagan to the list of politicians who aren't/weren't Jesus? I wasn't paying much attention during his term & understand that he was pretty popular, but (as was noted in the McCain video thread) damn.
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You know, when the best the democrats could come up with for the past two elections was John Kerry and Al Gore, they sure made Bush look like a Super Hero. Al Gore was and is a joke despite his cult of druids. And John Kerry should have kept on wind surfing. Had the democrats come up with a moderate intelligent candidate for President, they would have beaten Bush badly both times and certainly the second time. The Republicans will long have to live the "W's" legacy. But America elected him twice. And now we have to choose between a candidate, McCain who is a known hot-head and either Billary or Obama. I was hoping to feel good about casting my ballot this November.
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jh Wrote:Can we add Reagan to the list of politicians who aren't/weren't Jesus? I wasn't paying much attention during his term & understand that he was pretty popular, but (as was noted in the McCain video thread) damn.
Actually, that is a VERY stupid question to ask this board. The obvious answer from the majority of the posters he is obviously YES!

BTW, Mr. Herd: It was meant to say that you are a few fries short of a happy meal.
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RobertN Wrote:BTW, Mr. Herd: It was meant to say that you are a few fries short of a happy meal.

:youmoron:

I guess that means; LA Times columnist Joel Stein and ABC News Senior National Correspondent John Tapper are too since they both wrote stories similar to the observations I made. Considering these are typically more liberal media outlets the Cult analogy must have some merit.

From the sound of things you could use this piece of advice, when attending Obama rallies, don't drink the KOOL-AID.
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