So does this mean UCF fans won't be getting on USF for academics any more?

CyberBull Wrote:

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:It's amusing seeing UCF fans obsess over USF so much. They don't realize it, but they're treating USF the same way other Florida schools treat the Big Three. Always looking for a reason to tear down Miami, Florida and Florida State. Now USF is getting the treatment. Digging up anything negative about USF. Throwing a hissy fit because USF won't play them. Notice how Miami, Florida, Florida State and South Florida don't throw a fit about playing UCF?

It isn't like we have to dig. They run a different type of athletic program. We run ours with class and honor. They run with thugs, drug dealers, child predators, felons, criminals, academic fraud, and we probably only know 10% of the stuff.

History of USF

Interesting response considering who your coach is and his sorted past. Nice...

That's "sordid," obviously USF didn't teach you to spell. j/k

In reality, Kruzcek did not run any better of a program than Leavitt back in the day. But when Steve Orsini came on board at UCF, he set to cleaning up the mess. And O'Leary, for whatever his personal fault for which he has paid dearly, has recruited only academically qualified kids. The UCF team GPA is somewhere slightly above 2.8, the highest in the state.

It's also worth noting that unlike USF when they were in CUSA and some other CUSA teams such as Southern Miss, UCF will not admit partial qualifiers. USF would do so now if the Big East did not prohibit that, and you know it CB.

The telling statistic will be when the APR for the 2004 class and since are published in the next few years. That will show how UCF reformed and cleaned up the academic side of the athletics program, while USF is just now taking that action.

And for whatever it's worth, UCF is now tied with FSU for the second highest admission standards for the state public schools (behind UF), while FIU has overtaken USF for 4th.

USF has done a hell of a job building a winning football program, but at the cost of at least some academic integrity simply by failing so many student-athletes by not providing them a real opportunity to succeed.

LOL. Thanks for stopping by.

CyberBull Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:Oh btw...it's funny to see UCF fans take shots at USF's APR considering where they were a couple of years ago, (875) and their current APR is 928, a whole whopping 3 points higher than the minimum.

I am sure some UCiFers have some tired palms tonight...

Well, they cant beat you guys in either basketball nor football, so they have to find something that they think they beat you at. When everything else fails, there is always academic smack.

The academic smack falls on deaf ears b/c UCiF's GSR is actually lower.....make that MUCH LOWER than USF's for the same reporting period

UCF 46%
USF 55%

USF's APR is below the minimum, but UCF is barely above the minimum.

Link: http://www.bus.ucf.edu/sport/public/down..._Table.xls

It was only a matter of time before cyberfool posted this stuff. Ask cyber when GOL came to UCF, it would be January 2004. His first recruiting class would have been in place for the 2004-2005 school year. Considering it normally takes four years to graduate, those kids would be graduating when Cyber, maybe this year?

Every UCF fan knows what was going on at UCF before GOL, which is why Kruzcek was run out. Funny thing is, most UCF fans saw what was happening under Kruz, which is why we can relate to what is happening now at USF.

UCF's APR is at 928 and rising, UCF is not in jeopardy of losing scholarships, USF is at a 910 and could easily drop depending on graduations. You see cyber, it does not matter if a player leaves or not, it only matters if they graduate by the time their eligibility is up. The article stated "under 50% of USF players are on pace to graduate." That tells me that the APR for USF is not going to get to the 925 level, thus the issue raised by USF to fix the problem of a win at all costs coach.

Cubanbull Wrote:So here is an interesting development rgarding this topic.
It seems a big OLineman from Palm Beach that had committed to USF was not allowed to sign because this new committee decided yesterday that his acdemic record while meeting NCAA requirements did not meet USF's standards.
The kid was told that a scholarship is available when he meets those requirements but it seems he is now going to look into others that offered him, Ole Miss, South Carolina and North Carolina.

Now if he gets into any of those I want Saban to be forced to read this everytime he opens his big fat mouth.
Hopefully the kids meets those requirements and comes to USF.

And USF would have every right to feel that way. It is the way UCF fans have been feeling about USF's recruits for a while. Just look at Southern Miss, I would love to get some of those players they get, but there is no way they could get into UCF. That is not a dig at USM, they get to play by different rules. I think the NCAA should enforce the rules across the board, no matter the team or conference, but that is never going to happen.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:So here is an interesting development rgarding this topic.
It seems a big OLineman from Palm Beach that had committed to USF was not allowed to sign because this new committee decided yesterday that his acdemic record while meeting NCAA requirements did not meet USF's standards.
The kid was told that a scholarship is available when he meets those requirements but it seems he is now going to look into others that offered him, Ole Miss, South Carolina and North Carolina.

Now if he gets into any of those I want Saban to be forced to read this everytime he opens his big fat mouth.
Hopefully the kids meets those requirements and comes to USF.

And USF would have every right to feel that way. It is the way UCF fans have been feeling about USF's recruits for a while. Just look at Southern Miss, I would love to get some of those players they get, but there is no way they could get into UCF. That is not a dig at USM, they get to play by different rules. I think the NCAA should enforce the rules across the board, no matter the team or conference, but that is never going to happen.

How many special exception players has UCF signed during O'Leary tenure?

How many over the last two years?

Honest question...does anybody know?

LOL. I love these delussional UCF fans that have to make excuses on why they get out recruited, out played.
Get over it your school is not an Ivy league school. You REALLY think all your players could get in with the same gpas and SAT scores as the general population? If you think that then all I can say is that you have bought hook and sinker the old dance O"Leary is selling and you guys are being naive.
Get over it your school might have toughened up after Kruz but trust me if your athlets had to meet same standards as the general population you wouldnt have half of them there.

BTW....based on what we have been told in newspaper, all of USF's 2008 recruit should theoretically qualify if they finish out the year in good standing. So for those of you suggesting that our recruiting is going to suffer, you can't say that based on this year's class. Top to bottom this is a very good class for USF, and it could have been really special if a few players would have turned our way such as Streeter, Liuget and O.Johnson.

Cubanbull Wrote:LOL. I love these delussional UCF fans that have to make excuses on why they get out recruited, out played.
Get over it your school is not an Ivy league school. You REALLY think all your players could get in with the same gpas and SAT scores as the general population? If you think that then all I can say is that you have bought hook and sinker the old dance O"Leary is selling and you guys are being naive.
Get over it your school might have toughened up after Kruz but trust me if your athlets had to meet same standards as the general population you wouldnt have half of them there.

I can almost guarantee that guru cannot answer the question I asked him b/c he doesn't know. For better or for worse, UCiF's "business" stays a hell of lot more private than USF's. I actually give them credit. When they privatized their atheletic department it was actually a very smart move.

CyberBull Wrote:BTW....based on what we have been told in newspaper, all of USF's 2008 recruit should theoretically qualify if they finish out the year in good standing. So for those of you suggesting that our recruiting is going to suffer, you can't say that based on this year's class. Top to bottom this is a very good class for USF, and it could have been really special if a few players would have turned our way such as Streeter, Liuget and O.Johnson.

Well your recruiting guru Josh Newberg does not agree. He said that four or five will not qualify. Now I have no idea, but that came from his show this past Saturday. He could have been talking about some kids that USF did not get, not sure.

As for special exemptions, I would say very few if any. Just go back and look at the GPA's of the kids that UCF recruited on the rivals site.

Don't have all the ones from this year but:

Brandon Davis - 3.4 gpa
Chad Hounshell - 3.4 gpa
Brendan Kelly - 3.5 gpa
Vance King - 3.2 gpa
Kyle Madden - 3.4 gpa
Chris Martin - 26 ACT
Robert Pritchard - 2.9 gpa
Loren Robinson 3.7 gpa
Steve Robinson 3.1 gpa
Rob Calabrese - 3.3 gpa

I can't find the rest of them from this class, but I would imagine most are the same. I am sure UCF has used the exemption before, but I am also willing to bet what USF uses in one year, UCF does not use in the four that GOL has been here.

Doesnt matter we will still kick your A$$es come september once again.

Cubanbull Wrote:Doesnt matter we will still kick your A$$es come september once again.

....and on national TV. Although its a good thing that the game is going to be on TV since watching the game live on their frail erector set stadium could be hazardous to your health.

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:BTW....based on what we have been told in newspaper, all of USF's 2008 recruit should theoretically qualify if they finish out the year in good standing. So for those of you suggesting that our recruiting is going to suffer, you can't say that based on this year's class. Top to bottom this is a very good class for USF, and it could have been really special if a few players would have turned our way such as Streeter, Liuget and O.Johnson.

He could have been talking about some kids that USF did not get, not sure.

you answered your own question....so how about answering mine about how many special exceptions UCF has signed over the last two years, and if you don't take any how come you had a 4 non-qualifiers last year?

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:So here is an interesting development rgarding this topic.
It seems a big OLineman from Palm Beach that had committed to USF was not allowed to sign because this new committee decided yesterday that his acdemic record while meeting NCAA requirements did not meet USF's standards.
The kid was told that a scholarship is available when he meets those requirements but it seems he is now going to look into others that offered him, Ole Miss, South Carolina and North Carolina.

Now if he gets into any of those I want Saban to be forced to read this everytime he opens his big fat mouth.
Hopefully the kids meets those requirements and comes to USF.

And USF would have every right to feel that way. It is the way UCF fans have been feeling about USF's recruits for a while. Just look at Southern Miss, I would love to get some of those players they get, but there is no way they could get into UCF. That is not a dig at USM, they get to play by different rules. I think the NCAA should enforce the rules across the board, no matter the team or conference, but that is never going to happen.

Man come down off of your high horse. UCF has like 50,000 students right, or somewhere close to it. If thats the case how selective can they be? The answer is not very. Keeping that in mind, you expect us to believe that UCF is so hard to get into for its athletes, or that they are so supposed to be so selective of their athletes? Yeah right.

UCiF fans think they are the new Vanderbilt or Stanford.

The bottom line is what happens on the field. If people wanted to watch TRUE student athletes they need to go watch Ivy League or Patriot league football.

CyberBull Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:BTW....based on what we have been told in newspaper, all of USF's 2008 recruit should theoretically qualify if they finish out the year in good standing. So for those of you suggesting that our recruiting is going to suffer, you can't say that based on this year's class. Top to bottom this is a very good class for USF, and it could have been really special if a few players would have turned our way such as Streeter, Liuget and O.Johnson.

He could have been talking about some kids that USF did not get, not sure.

you answered your own question....so how about answering mine about how many special exceptions UCF has signed over the last two years, and if you don't take any how come you had a 4 non-qualifiers last year?

UCF didn't have 4 non-qualifers. We signed 29 players and you can only sign 25 a year. 1 quit football, 2 are grayshirts now enrolled, and one went Juco (I imagine he didn't qualify). It's the exception at UCF rather than the rule. I didn't want to post on this but felt the need to respond to this. I personally applaud USF's taking control of its athletic programs. It will clean up your program and its perception. Bravo!

cuseroc Wrote:Man come down off of your high horse. UCF has like 50,000 students right, or somewhere close to it. If thats the case how selective can they be? The answer is not very.

UCF, is rated "more selective" by US News...as UCF has an acceptance rate of 46%, which is actually very strong for a public school with 48,000 plus students.

Almost 11,000 students that applied to UCF last year were politely told "thanks, but no thanks...you didn't make the cut".

NOTE: USM...a much smaller school than UCF...has a 62% acceptance rate, plus their students have an average SAT score of 1,040, while UCF's incoming students have an SAT average of 1,217.

KnightLight Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:Man come down off of your high horse. UCF has like 50,000 students right, or somewhere close to it. If thats the case how selective can they be? The answer is not very.

UCF, is rated "more selective" by US News...as UCF has an acceptance rate of 46%, which is actually very strong for a public school with 48,000 plus students.

Almost 11,000 students that applied to UCF last year were politely told "thanks, but no thanks...you didn't make the cut".

NOTE: USM...a much smaller school than UCF...has a 62% acceptance rate, plus their students have an average SAT score of 1,040, while UCF's incoming students have an SAT average of 1,217.

UCF has a higher admissions standard now than FSU and trails only UF in Florida for public schools. USF's latest numbers are a 51% admissions rate and an 1110 SAT, which is more or less the same as FIU's 53% and 1100. And heck, FAU's at 1040 and 54%. And no, we don't claim to be Harvard or Stanford, but we do pride ourselves on our academic quality continuing to grow and not compromising the university's academic image for the sake of a good football season.

Honest to God, it would be funny if it weren't so pathetic. USF institutes a panel to oversee the acceptance of athletes that impacts ONLY USF, and six different UCF fans feel the need to chime in. Now, remember, this does not affect UCF's athletic program in the slightest, and yet KnightLight had to come over and start this thread on the day it came out, and five other Knights were so concerned about our program that they had to add their two cents. Cripes, Guru, I mean South Tampa Knight, even quoted something that the guy who runs the USF website on Scout said on the radio. I don't think you could find many USF fans who would care enough about UCF to look up who they recruited let alone listen to a broadcast about them.

Honestly, I think when Jim Leavitt farts, they can tell you what he had for lunch. I'm probably dating myself here, but at this point, whenever I see a post by a UCF fan, this is what I picture:



I can hear it now - "Abner...ABNER!!! The Leavitt kid had a barbecue and invited some of his players! Somebody should call the NCAA!!!"

Now, for those of you not old enough to get the reference, you need to go check out the hotness that was Elizabeth Montgomery in her prime...

USFFan

CyberBull Wrote:

South Tampa Knight Wrote:

CyberBull Wrote:BTW....based on what we have been told in newspaper, all of USF's 2008 recruit should theoretically qualify if they finish out the year in good standing. So for those of you suggesting that our recruiting is going to suffer, you can't say that based on this year's class. Top to bottom this is a very good class for USF, and it could have been really special if a few players would have turned our way such as Streeter, Liuget and O.Johnson.

He could have been talking about some kids that USF did not get, not sure.

you answered your own question....so how about answering mine about how many special exceptions UCF has signed over the last two years, and if you don't take any how come you had a 4 non-qualifiers last year?

Four non qualifyers?

There were two non qualifyers and one was a superstar kid out of a school less than five miles from campus that offers from over 20 BCS schools. The other non qualifyer was a DE, for the life of me not sure what went on there because he did not have any other offers, not even FIU or FAU.

The other two were both gray shirts due to injuries they had while playing their senior season.

The year before that UCF had no non qualifyers and this year, all 17 recruits are already qualified and GOL's first year, all qualified. So basically, out of 100 recruits, two non qualifyers. Care to list USF's number?