subflea Wrote:They didn't put god into the pledge or on our money until the last century.

Ok, please re-read the thread. You apparently missed something.

As long as they don't choose which god we're under and everyone can decide for him or herself

The militant atheists may be upset, but I guess everyone can't be pleased

EDIT: Oh yeah, and let Hindus say a prayer. They're good people.

RebelKev Wrote:Why in the hell are you Christians and Evolutionists trying to convince each other of **** you'll never agree to? I am a Christian. If you believe we came from Apes, fine. Not a problem. Just stop f'n telling me I'm wrong. It won't work anymore than me telling you we didn't. Gdamn, this is a moronic argument.

Is there an argument in an internet chat room that isn't? The next time I see someone's mind changed in a thread on this board will be the first. How is this any different?

jh Wrote:Is there an argument in an internet chat room that isn't? The next time I see someone's mind changed in a thread on this board will be the first. How is this any different?

LOLXTIANS AMIRITE?

God save the infidel who would post something similar about Muslims..... or Buddhists...... or Jews.... Christians are the last group of people on earth people can make fun of.

Lord Stanley Wrote:LOLXTIANS AMIRITE?

God save the infidel who would post something similar about Muslims..... or Buddhists...... or Jews.... Christians are the last group of people on earth people can make fun of.

I find all religions equally ridiculous.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:LOLXTIANS AMIRITE?

God save the infidel who would post something similar about Muslims..... or Buddhists...... or Jews.... Christians are the last group of people on earth people can make fun of.

I find all religions equally ridiculous.

Me too, and I will make fun of all of them.

Are we happier, now?

subflea Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:LOLXTIANS AMIRITE?

God save the infidel who would post something similar about Muslims..... or Buddhists...... or Jews.... Christians are the last group of people on earth people can make fun of.

I find all religions equally ridiculous.

Me too, and I will make fun of all of them.

Ditto....and the Pledge was invented by a Nazi flag salesman...There are pictures of school children actually giving the flag the "Roman" salute.

RebelKev Wrote:Teach evolution in school, teach creationism in school. Have'em both as electives.

This, my friends, is an example of the mentality that is destroying this country. Leadership in science and technology have been critical in putting the USA in the position of a superpower. Sadly, there are those who think that if we destroy science education that manna is going to fall from heaven and save the US from it's economic problems. Pathetic.

Teach science in school. Teach creationism in Sunday school.

People need to read the Virginia Constitution of the Freedom of Religion. Its really quite an eye opener what our founding fathers actually believed in. For example, proseletyzing is fine and dandy. They wanted people to be free to discuss and argue about religion, just like people are doing here. Contrast that with the fact we can't even post a flattering cartoon image of Mohammed without a death threat forget unflattering. Most Christians have no problems or fears about people discussing religion. The fact is that our Founding Fathers really were about freedom of exercise of religion and dialog about religion, and not about freedom from religion. Thus, they would have a real problem with the censoring of religious views and references in public schools. This isn't France.

Zero Wrote:This, my friends, is an example of the mentality that is destroying this country. Leadership in science and technology have been critical in putting the USA in the position of a superpower. Sadly, there are those who think that if we destroy science education that manna is going to fall from heaven and save the US from it's economic problems. Pathetic.

Teach science in school. Teach creationism in Sunday school.

No, it's not. You want to see educational standards increased, get GOVERNMENT out of schools. Some of the greatest minds in history have been those of theologians.

RebelKev Wrote:

Zero Wrote:This, my friends, is an example of the mentality that is destroying this country. Leadership in science and technology have been critical in putting the USA in the position of a superpower. Sadly, there are those who think that if we destroy science education that manna is going to fall from heaven and save the US from it's economic problems. Pathetic.

Teach science in school. Teach creationism in Sunday school.

No, it's not. You want to see educational standards increased, get GOVERNMENT out of schools. Some of the greatest minds in history have been those of theologians.

Just shows that some can work through their shortcomings.

subflea Wrote:Just shows that some can work through their shortcomings.

Liberal arrogance exemplified.

You believe in a magical sky fairy and in creationism.

Conservative ignorance exemplified.

subflea Wrote:You believe in a magical sky fairy and in creationism.

Conservative ignorance exemplified.

...and yet you believe that your belief, which has also failed to be proven, is any truer.

RebelKev Wrote:No, it's not. You want to see educational standards increased, get GOVERNMENT out of schools. Some of the greatest minds in history have been those of theologians.

Two different arguments.

Education at the upper echelons would absolutely be improved without government intervention. Rich kids could take the money invested in property taxes and by themselves a great education which has to answer to the consumer, not the government. There's no indication that those less well-to-do would be any better off, since they wouldn't have access to these schools. In short, it wouldn't be much different than today.

Theologians are good at arguing theological problems, and they may be geniuses at doing it. But they aren't going to come up with a cure for cancer, they aren't going to invent the next great technological wonder that improves everyone's quality of life, and they aren't going to solve the global energy crisis. Especially those of the archaic "be fruitful and multiply" theologies.

While public schools exist, they should be used to best educate all citizens to be able to be productive members of society who will augment, not hinder, the economic development of the US in the global economy. Those who argue for creation to be taught in science classes are a hindrance to this end.

Zero Wrote:Theologians are good at arguing theological problems, and they may be geniuses at doing it. But they aren't going to come up with a cure for cancer, they aren't going to invent the next great technological wonder that improves everyone's quality of life, and they aren't going to solve the global energy crisis. Especially those of the archaic "be fruitful and multiply" theologies.

Wow, what a completely uninformed response.

You might want to do a little more research. Here's a start, Isaac Newton. Once your done there, I'll drop another name.

RebelKev Wrote:

Zero Wrote:Theologians are good at arguing theological problems, and they may be geniuses at doing it. But they aren't going to come up with a cure for cancer, they aren't going to invent the next great technological wonder that improves everyone's quality of life, and they aren't going to solve the global energy crisis. Especially those of the archaic "be fruitful and multiply" theologies.

Wow, what a completely uninformed response.

You might want to do a little more research. Here's a start, Isaac Newton. Once your done there, I'll drop another name.

I didn't realize that Isaac Newton had developed a cure for cancer or solved the energy crisis. You learn something new everyday.

I'll give you credit for coming up with the ID'er handbook response, though. Exactly what you would expect from someone with an incredibly naive understanding of science and its history. Namedrop all you want - but please try something else if you are capable of an intelligent and relevant scientific discussion.

Principia mathematica is not a theological text. Newton the scientist wrote that one. And while it is true that Newton the theologian (you see, it was quite common in those days for people of science to have varied pursuits) wrote many other texts on the literal interpretation of scripture, but the Creator was not invoked as a necessary part of the laws of motion or the development of Calculus.

By the way, you might want to look up the publication date of the Origin of Species, and compare it with the date Newton died - it might give you some insight into why he didn't claim to believe in evolution. Also interesting to note that in order to support your claim that a scientific phenomenon is wrong based on an incomplete data set, you use a scientist who has had one of his major contributions (newtonian mechanics) proven wrong by a more complete analysis of the data (relativistic effects).

Zero Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

Zero Wrote:Theologians are good at arguing theological problems, and they may be geniuses at doing it. But they aren't going to come up with a cure for cancer, they aren't going to invent the next great technological wonder that improves everyone's quality of life, and they aren't going to solve the global energy crisis. Especially those of the archaic "be fruitful and multiply" theologies.

Wow, what a completely uninformed response.

You might want to do a little more research. Here's a start, Isaac Newton. Once your done there, I'll drop another name.

I didn't realize that Isaac Newton had developed a cure for cancer or solved the energy crisis. You learn something new everyday.

I'll give you credit for coming up with the ID'er handbook response, though. Exactly what you would expect from someone with an incredibly naive understanding of science and its history. Namedrop all you want - but please try something else if you are capable of an intelligent and relevant scientific discussion.

Principia mathematica is not a theological text. Newton the scientist wrote that one. And while it is true that Newton the theologian (you see, it was quite common in those days for people of science to have varied pursuits) wrote many other texts on the literal interpretation of scripture, but the Creator was not invoked as a necessary part of the laws of motion or the development of Calculus.

By the way, you might want to look up the publication date of the Origin of Species, and compare it with the date Newton died - it might give you some insight into why he didn't claim to believe in evolution. Also interesting to note that in order to support your claim that a scientific phenomenon is wrong based on an incomplete data set, you use a scientist who has had one of his major contributions (newtonian mechanics) proven wrong by a more complete analysis of the data (relativistic effects).

The point of his post obviously flew way over your head. He's arguing that a lot of history's great thinkers were also clergy of some sort. He didn't say that they discovered anything by reading the Bible. He just countered the point that religious people only think about religious things.

Gregor Mendel is another that comes to mind. He's the founder of genetics and genetic theory, and he was a monk.

If you like beer, wine, or champagne, then you can thank theologians for that too since monasteries were often also breweries.

To sum it up, pull your head out of your ass. There are many religious schools who are conducting cutting edge scientific research as we speak, and maybe can even cure cancer.