THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Are you saying people that believe in intelligent design aren't smart enough to be in AP/Honors classes? You don't have to believe something to understand the concept.
If Man evolved from ape why are there still apes? If the fictional "missing link" was an improvement in the evolutionary chain over apes why did the "missing link" die out and apes survive? Why isn't there extensive fossil evidence of the "missing link".
It's a correlation but not a causation regarding AP/Honors.
Regarding the missing link ... there's scattered fossil evidence, and it fits with an evolutionary model with bottlenecks/punctuated change once awhile ... which there is terrific geologic evidence of. (Worldwide climate whipeout for a few years after a megavolcano .... Worldwide catastrophe of the comet/meteor/asteroid that whiped out the dinosaurs and created the Gulf of Mexico ... etc)
If you have taken a collegiate Biology class, there's countless examples throughout the kingdom of primitive forms living on and their evolved cousins living on but the link between dieing out. You realize when you ask why apes are still around you're essentially calling into question why jellyfish are still around .... why fungi are still around ... hell... why bacteria are still around ....
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD.
Do I also have to believe the sky has floodgates, or can I just chalk that one up to ancient ignorance?
If the election were really Obama vs Paul.... We'd probably have a new party start up, The Christian Conservative Party with the Huckabee/Thompson ticket
(This post was last modified: 01-04-2008 05:40 PM by Fanatical.)
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Huckabee scares the hell out of me. I just don't trust him. I am not sure he can separate the Constitution from the Bible.
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Huckabee's platform has definitely 'evolved' from some of the quoted material he has stated in past campaigns--an ironic decscription, as Huckabee doesn't believe in the Theory of Evolution. The fact that he doesn't agree with it doesn't scare me--but the fact that his disbelief was important enough to be emphasized as a talking point is a bit unsettling to me.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD. If any candidate running says they are a Christian and believe in evolution they are less than honest about what they believe, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive on this point.
The scariest candidates running are the slick talking lawyers (Edwards and Obama) that don’t have any real experience leading. Being lawyers it’s hard to tell how they view the constitution. Most lawyers are Pseudo intellectuals.
All Democrats are scary because the want to call themselves Christians, but they don’t want to stand up for the values that make up the Christian faith. Shows you can't trust them.
Not every Christian subscribes to a literal translation of the Bible. In fact, can't name but maybe 2 people I knew in my entire high school class (~1,200) who didn't believe to some degree in evolution. I will state that statistic is bias, because here you're segregated by "capacity" very early in high school. People in AP/Honors classes virtually never see those who aren't.
Are you saying people that believe in intelligent design aren't smart enough to be in AP/Honors classes? You don't have to believe something to understand the concept.
If Man evolved from ape why are there still apes? If the fictional "missing link" was an improvement in the evolutionary chain over apes why did the "missing link" die out and apes survive? Why isn't there extensive fossil evidence of the "missing link".
You obviously have no idea what evolution means. I am a Christian and I believe evolution is GOD'S LAW in fact all natural and physical laws in the universe are the Lords. BTW I am a liberal. I am leaning toward Edwards.
Ninerfan1 Wrote:And last I checked, believing in the theory of evolution wasn't a prerequisite to being president.
No, but selectivity in accepting/believing what the scientific (including medical) community has studied and concluded doesn't exactly show an open mind toward problems that might require one.
We're experiencing slowed medical progress on stem cell research and delayed advancement in addressing global warming, merely because some have convenient views on science and medicine.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:If Man evolved from ape why are there still apes? If the fictional "missing link" was an improvement in the evolutionary chain over apes why did the "missing link" die out and apes survive? Why isn't there extensive fossil evidence of the "missing link".
Maybe it's all part of God's perfect design and plan. YOU see the flaws because you aren't God. Since organized science cannot anticipate nor begin to understand his rhyme or reasoning--they could have the TOE absolutely wrong--or, being blessed with their talents, they could have merely scratched the surface.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD. If any candidate running says they are a Christian and believe in evolution they are less than honest about what they believe, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive on this point.
The scariest candidates running are the slick talking lawyers (Edwards and Obama) that don’t have any real experience leading. Being lawyers it’s hard to tell how they view the constitution. Most lawyers are Pseudo intellectuals.
All Democrats are scary because the want to call themselves Christians, but they don’t want to stand up for the values that make up the Christian faith. Shows you can't trust them.
Not every Christian subscribes to a literal translation of the Bible. In fact, can't name but maybe 2 people I knew in my entire high school class (~1,200) who didn't believe to some degree in evolution. I will state that statistic is bias, because here you're segregated by "capacity" very early in high school. People in AP/Honors classes virtually never see those who aren't.
Are you saying people that believe in intelligent design aren't smart enough to be in AP/Honors classes? You don't have to believe something to understand the concept.
If Man evolved from ape why are there still apes? If the fictional "missing link" was an improvement in the evolutionary chain over apes why did the "missing link" die out and apes survive? Why isn't there extensive fossil evidence of the "missing link".
You obviously have no idea what evolution means. I am a Christian and I believe evolution is GOD'S LAW in fact all natural and physical laws in the universe are the Lords. BTW I am a liberal. I am leaning toward Edwards.
I tend to agree with you about the evolution issue...but I gotta tell you....Im from NC and Edwards made millions of dollars and shut down several industries here in NC with class action lawsuits that the companies could not afford to fight....He cost NC several thousand jobs...He is NOT very popular in NC since his method of gaining his fortune was exposed....Id vote for Al Sharpton before, Id cast a vote for this guy....but he does pitch a good game...and I understand why some like him....JMHO
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD. If any candidate running says they are a Christian and believe in evolution they are less than honest about what they believe, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive on this point.
The scariest candidates running are the slick talking lawyers (Edwards and Obama) that don’t have any real experience leading. Being lawyers it’s hard to tell how they view the constitution. Most lawyers are Pseudo intellectuals.
All Democrats are scary because the want to call themselves Christians, but they don’t want to stand up for the values that make up the Christian faith. Shows you can't trust them.
Not every Christian subscribes to a literal translation of the Bible. In fact, can't name but maybe 2 people I knew in my entire high school class (~1,200) who didn't believe to some degree in evolution. I will state that statistic is bias, because here you're segregated by "capacity" very early in high school. People in AP/Honors classes virtually never see those who aren't.
Are you saying people that believe in intelligent design aren't smart enough to be in AP/Honors classes? You don't have to believe something to understand the concept.
If Man evolved from ape why are there still apes? If the fictional "missing link" was an improvement in the evolutionary chain over apes why did the "missing link" die out and apes survive? Why isn't there extensive fossil evidence of the "missing link".
You obviously have no idea what evolution means. I am a Christian and I believe evolution is GOD'S LAW in fact all natural and physical laws in the universe are the Lords. BTW I am a liberal. I am leaning toward Edwards.
I tend to agree with you about the evolution issue...but I gotta tell you....Im from NC and Edwards made millions of dollars and shut down several industries here in NC with class action lawsuits that the companies could not afford to fight....He cost NC several thousand jobs...He is NOT very popular in NC since his method of gaining his fortune was exposed....Id vote for Al Sharpton before, Id cast a vote for this guy....but he does pitch a good game...and I understand why some like him....JMHO
Wow. While that may be true to Edwards, Al has extorted more companies for more money that Edwards can dream of. The only difference is Al is smart and doesn't bankrupt the companies this way he can go back for more later.
HellBlazer Wrote:You obviously have no idea what evolution means. I am a Christian and I believe evolution is GOD'S LAW in fact all natural and physical laws in the universe are the Lords. BTW I am a liberal. I am leaning toward Edwards.
Evolution, that we evolved from single cell organisms, not likely under God's design. Evolution in the sense that existing species have made natural improvements over time, yes under God‘s design. There is NO scientific evidence of upward evolution only theories which scientists come up with to get research grants. The center piece of evolution the skeletal remains that were used to promote the theory man evolved from apes was proven to be a fraud when significant portions of it were proven to be primitive pig bones.
If random events can cause something to come into existence then if I take all the parts needed to make a Rolex put them in a bag and shake them up then dump the contents out if I repeat the process enough times a fully functional Rolex should fall out. Under the big bang theory I shouldn’t even need the parts, if I wait long enough millions of years in the future, a Rolex will Magically appear in the bag on its own.
BTW if you are a liberal you can't get much further left than Edwards, unless you go with comrade Obama.
(This post was last modified: 01-05-2008 08:07 AM by THE NC Herd Fan.)
HellBlazer Wrote:You obviously have no idea what evolution means. I am a Christian and I believe evolution is GOD'S LAW in fact all natural and physical laws in the universe are the Lords. BTW I am a liberal. I am leaning toward Edwards.
Evolution, that we evolved from single cell organisms, not likely under God's design. Evolution in the sense that existing species have made natural improvements over time, yes under God‘s design. There is NO scientific evidence of upward evolution only theories which scientists come up with to get research grants. The center piece of evolution the skeletal remains that were used to promote the theory man evolved from apes was proven to be a fraud when significant portions of it were proven to be primitive pig bones.
If random events can cause something to come into existence then if I take all the parts needed to make a Rolex put them in a bag and shake them up then dump the contents out if I repeat the process enough times a fully functional Rolex should fall out. Under the big bang theory I shouldn’t even need the parts, if I wait long enough millions of years in the future, a Rolex will Magically appear in the bag on its own.
BTW if you are a liberal you can't get much further left than Edwards, unless you go with comrade Obama.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Evolution, that we evolved from single cell organisms, not likely under God's design. Evolution in the sense that existing species have made natural improvements over time, yes under God‘s design. There is NO scientific evidence of upward evolution only theories which scientists come up with to get research grants. The center piece of evolution the skeletal remains that were used to promote the theory man evolved from apes was proven to be a fraud when significant portions of it were proven to be primitive pig bones.
If random events can cause something to come into existence then if I take all the parts needed to make a Rolex put them in a bag and shake them up then dump the contents out if I repeat the process enough times a fully functional Rolex should fall out. Under the big bang theory I shouldn’t even need the parts, if I wait long enough millions of years in the future, a Rolex will Magically appear in the bag on its own.
BTW if you are a liberal you can't get much further left than Edwards, unless you go with comrade Obama.
There is so much wrong here it is hard to begin. There are 3 billion years of evolution's evidence, and man's evolutionary history has been well documented with many more fossils than the Piltdown Man. Check out all these early hominids.
The spin room gives ample opportunity to use this:
you're surfing the net.. do some research!
start here: evolution 101 evolution of man
Humanity has even used some of the mechanisms of evolution to produce plants and animals for consumption. Cows, pigs, tomatos, corn, etc; all used the fact that genes are passed to offspring and breed true.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD. If any candidate running says they are a Christian and believe in evolution they are less than honest about what they believe, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive on this point.
The scariest candidates running are the slick talking lawyers (Edwards and Obama) that don’t have any real experience leading. Being lawyers it’s hard to tell how they view the constitution. Most lawyers are Pseudo intellectuals.
All Democrats are scary because the want to call themselves Christians, but they don’t want to stand up for the values that make up the Christian faith. Shows you can't trust them.
Because democrats understand the whole separation of church and state thing.
Its too bad the best candidate, Dennis Kucinich, has no chance. If you want someone who understands and follows this constitution its this guy. I think he would be an excellent leader, and sadly i think part of the reason is the way he looks. Too small, bad haircut, doesnt dress well. Things like that shouldnt decide an election, but they do.
Now we have people on here ignorant enough to argue against evolution. Look up what the pope said about evolution. Theres a big quote about it. Might hurt your feelings though.
Electing Mike Huckabee would be one of the worst decisions this country has made since it botched the 2000 election. Sure, lets go from a facist (Bush) to a theocrat.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD. If any candidate running says they are a Christian and believe in evolution they are less than honest about what they believe, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive on this point.
The scariest candidates running are the slick talking lawyers (Edwards and Obama) that don’t have any real experience leading. Being lawyers it’s hard to tell how they view the constitution. Most lawyers are Pseudo intellectuals.
All Democrats are scary because the want to call themselves Christians, but they don’t want to stand up for the values that make up the Christian faith. Shows you can't trust them.
Because democrats understand the whole separation of church and state thing.
Its too bad the best candidate, Dennis Kucinich, has no chance. If you want someone who understands and follows this constitution its this guy. I think he would be an excellent leader, and sadly i think part of the reason is the way he looks. Too small, bad haircut, doesnt dress well. Things like that shouldnt decide an election, but they do.
Now we have people on here ignorant enough to argue against evolution. Look up what the pope said about evolution. Theres a big quote about it. Might hurt your feelings though.
Electing Mike Huckabee would be one of the worst decisions this country has made since it botched the 2000 election. Sure, lets go from a facist (Bush) to a theocrat.
Ignorance is those who believe in Evolution. I can produce tons of documentation even from scientists and faculty at leading universities, including Rice that believe in Intelligent design, it won’t change the minds of anyone that believes in evolution so why bother. Just trying to present the other side for those who aren’t sure.
Separation of church and state has nothing to due with standing for what you believe and not hiding it.
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:Here's a news flash, anyone that says they are Christian including virtually every candidate running can not believe in evolution. If you are a Christian you believe in intelligent design PERIOD. If any candidate running says they are a Christian and believe in evolution they are less than honest about what they believe, the two beliefs are mutually exclusive on this point.
The scariest candidates running are the slick talking lawyers (Edwards and Obama) that don’t have any real experience leading. Being lawyers it’s hard to tell how they view the constitution. Most lawyers are Pseudo intellectuals.
All Democrats are scary because the want to call themselves Christians, but they don’t want to stand up for the values that make up the Christian faith. Shows you can't trust them.
Because democrats understand the whole separation of church and state thing.
Its too bad the best candidate, Dennis Kucinich, has no chance. If you want someone who understands and follows this constitution its this guy. I think he would be an excellent leader, and sadly i think part of the reason is the way he looks. Too small, bad haircut, doesnt dress well. Things like that shouldnt decide an election, but they do.
Now we have people on here ignorant enough to argue against evolution. Look up what the pope said about evolution. Theres a big quote about it. Might hurt your feelings though.
Electing Mike Huckabee would be one of the worst decisions this country has made since it botched the 2000 election. Sure, lets go from a facist (Bush) to a theocrat.
Ignorance is those who believe in Evolution. I can produce tons of documentation even from scientists and faculty at leading universities, including Rice that believe in Intelligent design, it won’t change the minds of anyone that believes in evolution so why bother. Just trying to present the other side for those who aren’t sure.
Separation of church and state has nothing to due with standing for what you believe and not hiding it.
ooh, quotes! They aren't relevant but they are fun to toss out there.
"The further the spiritual evolution of mankind advances, the more certain it seems to me that the path to genuine religiosity does not lie through the fear of life, and the fear of death, and blind faith, but through striving after rational knowledge."
-Albert Einstein
THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."
- Albert Einstein
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
-Albert Einstein
(This post was last modified: 01-05-2008 06:19 PM by niuhuskie84.)
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You don't have to believe something to understand the concept. 
Do I also have to believe the sky has floodgates, or can I just chalk that one up to ancient ignorance?
We'd probably have a new party start up, The Christian Conservative Party with the Huckabee/Thompson ticket
I am a Christian and I believe evolution is GOD'S LAW in fact all natural and physical laws in the universe are the Lords. BTW I am a liberal. I am leaning toward Edwards.
