I'd expect Ray Rice to join him any day.

mlb Wrote:

KnightLight Wrote:NCAA makes it VERY clear that "not knowing" is not a viable excuse for a program.

To the NCAA, not knowing when you SHOULD is almost as damaging as covering it up.

Then Ohio State must have the death penalty for football and basketball, right?

Between $500 handshakes, cars for Clarett, etc....

Not to get too off topic but... How can Alabama ("buying" a Memphis high school kid by bribing a HS coach) or Kentucky still have football programs?

How is Southern Cal (Reggie Bush) and Ohio State (Clarett) not on probation and stripped of national championships?

Seriously, "dirty programs" are everywhere.

What was the coach that said something like..."We were so mad at UCLA that we put Cincinnati on probation." (I probably have the schools wrong)

So mad at Kentucky that they put Cleveland State on probation...

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:South Florida's rapid rise in college football should have set off alarms with the NCAA. Its odd that a school can climb to the top of college football that fast.

I hate to disappoint you, but its more of case of solid coaching, talent recognition and player development. It's not like USF has been recruiting 4 and 5 star players.

Nice try....just another clueless hater.

CyberBull Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:South Florida's rapid rise in college football should have set off alarms with the NCAA. Its odd that a school can climb to the top of college football that fast.

I hate to disappoint you, but its more of case of solid coaching, talent recognition and player development. It's not like USF has been recruiting 4 and 5 star players.

Nice try....just another clueless hater.

I agree. When you are a bcs program in an area as large as the Tampa Bay area, and with so many great players just to the north, and south and east, there is nothing odd about being able to recruit so many good players. Everyone knows that Florida is the crem dela crem of high school fb talent. FSU, Florida and Miami can only accept so many players, and if a recruit wants to play for a bcs school in Florida, USF is the next logical step. No reason for the NCAA to be alarmed. And you are right, CyberBull, Leavitt does a great job of evaluating talent and getting the most from his players.

Why have the UCF fans or USF fans not committed on the FSU situation, which is far worst than USF. It's a whole different situation because of the number of them. This could be the healing between these schools and could easly could be only topic in which a pissing match doesnt break out. just my 2 cents.

omnicarrier Wrote:But since "accuracy" is of concern to you, I eagerly await the evidence that proves your final contention that the St. Pete Times held on to the story for 2 months.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

I'm shocked the USF fans didn't respond to this, especially since Greg Auman (St Pete Times beat writer) told USF fans who were ripping on him that Greg actually did USF a "favor":



http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=4...#msg512878

Reply #26 « on: Today at 10:13:12 am »
Greg Auman

Redshirt Freshman

St. Pete Times USF writer

Posts: 800

Re: In defense of Greg...

Hey everyone. Probably not going to say much on this issue, but don't want you guys to think I'm avoiding the issue entirely. First, I've already killed off about 20 comments off the blog for being inappropriate or impersonating someone else, so don't think I haven't been busy with that.

Yes, a great deal of thought went into whether to write the story or not. I understand completely the wide range of reactions from this story, and just want you guys to know this wasn't something that was done without a lot of thought and discussion going back to November as to whether it merited being in the paper. There were a lot of details left out of the story in respect to the Moffitts' privacy, believe me. I respect that some of you don't think the story should have been published, and I think there are different levels of understanding as to what my role is in covering USF as a beat writer.

If any of you want to deal with me directly, you're welcome to e-mail me at auman@sptimes.com.
http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=4...#msg512878
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http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=44471.60

Neil:

Here's another comment by Greg Auman has he has to continue to respond the owner of TheBullspend.com (USF Fan Site) who continues to bash at every chance he gets:

« on: January 06, 2008, 03:36:27 pm »
Greg Auman

Redshirt Freshman

St. Pete Times USF writer

Posts: 808
Re: In defense of Greg...

Brad, you're making a lot of ignorant comments here. At no point was caution thrown to the wind. If we had simply wanted to be the first to publish something on the issue, we would have done so in November or pushed the issue then. The people involved in the story know this, and the relevant people at USF know this. There was a lot of thought put into this on a lot of levels. I have no doubt in my mind that it was and is a newsworthy story.

Once we were aware of their separation, the Times very consciously made no references to Moffitt as a family man or anything along those lines. I don't know what other outlets knew, so I can't speak for them.
http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=44471.60

gdayre Wrote:Why have the UCF fans or USF fans not committed on the FSU situation, which is far worst than USF. It's a whole different situation because of the number of them. This could be the healing between these schools and could easly could be only topic in which a pissing match doesnt break out. just my 2 cents.

South Florida will not investigate. At least FSU did investigate and they are doing something about it. They will now require photo IDs to take a online test on campus. S. Fla is pretending this doesn't exist. Seems fishy to not even look at what documents and proof his wife is showing.

Who knows how many other miracle grades were created if Moffitt was able to cheat for 5 years. I would bet the same numbers exist at South Florida for the cheating scandal. Hard to say but S. Fla can clear their name if they want....I wonder why they won't....hum

KnightLight Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:But since "accuracy" is of concern to you, I eagerly await the evidence that proves your final contention that the St. Pete Times held on to the story for 2 months.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil,

I'm shocked the USF fans didn't respond to this, especially since Greg Auman (St Pete Times beat writer) told USF fans who were ripping on him that Greg actually did USF a "favor":



http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=4...#msg512878

Reply #26 « on: Today at 10:13:12 am »
Greg Auman

Redshirt Freshman

St. Pete Times USF writer

Posts: 800

Re: In defense of Greg...

Hey everyone. Probably not going to say much on this issue, but don't want you guys to think I'm avoiding the issue entirely. First, I've already killed off about 20 comments off the blog for being inappropriate or impersonating someone else, so don't think I haven't been busy with that.

Yes, a great deal of thought went into whether to write the story or not. I understand completely the wide range of reactions from this story, and just want you guys to know this wasn't something that was done without a lot of thought and discussion going back to November as to whether it merited being in the paper. There were a lot of details left out of the story in respect to the Moffitts' privacy, believe me. I respect that some of you don't think the story should have been published, and I think there are different levels of understanding as to what my role is in covering USF as a beat writer.

If any of you want to deal with me directly, you're welcome to e-mail me at auman@sptimes.com.
http://thebullspen.com/index.php?topic=4...#msg512878

I hadn't seen that, but I stand by what I wrote, that Moffitt's marital status, which was the only thing that may have been in question, wasn't newsworthy, which is probably why Auman didn't write anything about it. Once his wife made the allegations about writing his papers for him, the story went public. That's hardly the salacious story that most of the UCF fans have made it out to be, that he "covered the story up."

Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.

USFFan

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

gdayre Wrote:Why have the UCF fans or USF fans not committed on the FSU situation, which is far worst than USF. It's a whole different situation because of the number of them. This could be the healing between these schools and could easly could be only topic in which a pissing match doesnt break out. just my 2 cents.

South Florida will not investigate. At least FSU did investigate and they are doing something about it. They will now require photo IDs to take a online test on campus. S. Fla is pretending this doesn't exist. Seems fishy to not even look at what documents and proof his wife is showing.

Who knows how many other miracle grades were created if Moffitt was able to cheat for 5 years. I would bet the same numbers exist at South Florida for the cheating scandal. Hard to say but S. Fla can clear their name if they want....I wonder why they won't....hum

Once again, never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy...

South Florida will not investigate. At least FSU did investigate and they are doing something about it. They will now require photo IDs to take a online test on campus. S. Fla is pretending this doesn't exist. Seems fishy to not even look at what documents and proof his wife is showing.

If you bother to actually look any of this up...

From this article:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/08/...eges-bulls

Quote:USF officials wouldn't confirm they are investigating Shauna Moffitt's allegations of academic misconduct, though Vice Provost Ralph Wilcox said the university takes "any allegation of cheating very seriously."

In a written statement, Wilcox said Monday, "USF has policies and procedures in place to address such allegations if they are supported by sufficient and sound evidence that suggests wrongdoing. Since it would involve an individual student's records, we are bound by law to keep any such investigation confidential."

Furthermore, from this article:

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/05/...eges-bulls

Quote:Despite allegations that University of South Florida senior linebacker Ben Moffitt had nearly every paper written for him by his wife and sister-in-law during his five years at the school, USF will not investigate unless one of Moffitt's professors questions his class work.

"Professors in the courses would have to have some cause or suspicion that something inappropriate was happening and they could follow up on that," USF spokesman Ken Gullette said Friday.

What all of this means is that USF (just like every other academic institution) has a procedure in place for investigating allegations of academic misconduct. Furthermore, they also have privacy procedures in place that would preclude them from commenting publicly on any such procedures. I fully expect that those procedures would be followed for Moffitt just like they would for any other student at USF, though any other allegations would be unlikely to get into the newspapers.

Meanwhile, while USF is not able to comment on any of these things because of legal issues, that hasn't stopped UCF fans from making ridiculous leaps about how this is somehow a rampant problem and that USF has something to hide. Here's a suggestion - why don't you guys worry about your own program instead of ours?

USFFan

Is this crap still going on. Can we move this to the smack board.

usffan Wrote:I hadn't seen that, but I stand by what I wrote, that Moffitt's marital status, which was the only thing that may have been in question, wasn't newsworthy, which is probably why Auman didn't write anything about it. Once his wife made the allegations about writing his papers for him, the story went public. That's hardly the salacious story that most of the UCF fans have made it out to be, that he "covered the story up."

Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.

USFFan

We have cheating allegations along with the martial status stuff. I can care less about the martial stuff, but let's not forget that S. Fla pushed down our throats the Kleenex story about Moffitt driving 50 milies and taking care of the kids. It is now known that he was doing interviews while he was already separated and kept the lie going. He was up for character awards...which is ironic now.

She says she has proof of the cheating. It surely warrants S. Fla to investigate her claims and prevent this from happening in the future.

Cubanbull Wrote:Is this crap still going on. Can we move this to the smack board.

I'm keeping this from being smack related. It is really news worthy. At least there isn't multiple threads.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

usffan Wrote:I hadn't seen that, but I stand by what I wrote, that Moffitt's marital status, which was the only thing that may have been in question, wasn't newsworthy, which is probably why Auman didn't write anything about it. Once his wife made the allegations about writing his papers for him, the story went public. That's hardly the salacious story that most of the UCF fans have made it out to be, that he "covered the story up."

Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy.

USFFan

We have cheating allegations along with the martial status stuff. I can care less about the martial stuff, but let's not forget that S. Fla pushed down our throats the Kleenex story about Moffitt driving 50 milies and taking care of the kids. It is now known that he was doing interviews while he was already separated and kept the lie going. He was up for character awards...which is ironic now.

She says she has proof of the cheating. It surely warrants S. Fla to investigate her claims and prevent this from happening in the future.

But the allegations that this was covered up really only deal with the fact that this reporter knew that there might be trouble with their marriage in November. The cheating allegations were first made and published within hours of each other, which led to the circle jerk amongst UCF fans within minutes of the story coming out.

As I also mentioned, any investigation done by USF will have to be done under the cloak of protecting Moffitt's privacy rights, just like with any other student. Remember, they're only allegations until proven otherwise.

Finally, go back and read the interviews of Moffitt after November 11. He sidesteps most of the discussion about his commute. Since I don't really know all of the details that led to the break-up of his marriage, I don't really feel qualified to comment on it. Funny thing is - that hasn't prevented hundreds of perfect strangers from feeling perfectly qualified to voice their opinions ON BOTH SIDES OF THIS. In the end, it's sad and pathetic on all fronts.

USFFan

What I do find funny is that "O'Leary Is God" (aka KnightTime^) is commenting on the ups-and-downs of relationships, considering his only significant relationship is with that man-purse sized pooch he was showing off in his signature a few weeks ago.

Woof, woof....

UCF
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http://www2.tbo.com/content/2008/jan/09/...itt-cheat/

Tampa Tribune Editorial

USF Compromises Integrity Dodging Athletic Cheating Scandal

The Tampa Tribune

Published: January 9, 2008

The University of South Florida's refusal to investigate allegations that football star Ben Moffitt cheated in his classes shows an appalling disregard for academic integrity.

The university promoted Moffitt as the football star/family man, but now that his estranged wife says she wrote his papers and took two online classes for him, USF's leadership doesn't seem interested.

USF President Judy Genshaft is taking cover under a student handbook provision that says only a professor can initiate a cheating investigation. It's a ridiculous policy, since the professor is often the last to know a student is cheating.

USF spokesman Ken Gullette even dismissed Shauna Moffitt's account as a "domestic dispute." No way. The accusations involve potential fraud at the university. USF brass should be eager to determine the truth.

Newly appointed Provost Ralph Wilcox belatedly issued a statement Monday saying that the university takes its academic credibility seriously. But not enough, apparently, to want to find out if Moffitt made a mockery of his education.

The administration says it will address allegations if they are supported by evidence. But how can USF obtain evidence without investigating?

It appears USF just wants the controversy to go away. Moffitt is due to graduate and be off to the NFL, leaving the university to face any NCAA sanctions.

But this not about football or even the effort USF made to showcase Moffitt, the All-American linebacker who married his high school sweetheart and is raising two small children while making a name for himself in football.

The issue here is whether Moffitt earned the degree USF is about to award him and whether he fulfilled his end of the football scholarship bargain.

Shauna Moffitt contends she wrote papers for her husband and took some of his online courses. She says she typed the papers while on the job at the Sumter County Property Appraiser's Office.

Her boss, Ronnie Hawkins, already is trying to determine how much time Shauna Moffitt might have spent on her husband's homework and intends to recoup that money for the taxpayers.

"It's the principle of the thing," Hawkins told us. "I don't care if it's a nickel or a dime. It's what's fair for the taxpayers."

Compare that swift response to USF's shoulder shrugging.

The claims may turn out to be false. One does wonder how Shauna Moffitt managed to write papers for her communications major husband when she hadn't attended the lectures or read the materials.

But online courses - which are becoming prevalent as universities try to manage overcrowding - are not particularly secure against cheaters. Florida State University learned the hard way when at least 50 student-athletes were implicated in an online cheating scandal.

There must be tighter controls, such as requiring that tests for online courses be given on campus where students' identification can be checked. Some universities use Web cams to ensure students can't use a ringer.

USF needs to make clear it expects the highest ethical standards of its students in the classroom and on the playing field.

When it chooses to simply look the other way, it sends an entirely different, and dismaying, message about its commitment to academic excellence and personal integrity.

UCF
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My uncle has a friend who's brother said his mother knew the guy that is the father of the wife of Moffitt and he could tell you for sure that Moffitt was cheating. If I get a quote from him I will post it.