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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
I'd like to see the young kids play a ton more myself. Williamson, Sykes and Gentry don't give you a shot at winning games either, but they don't need to develop to help for 2008.

I'd play Bishop, Davis, Belton, Mitchell and Wilks till their legs fall off. Same for Biggie when he gets healthy.
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
i really dont understand mick right now,he has basically said that he didnt have any big east caliber players last year,but he continues to play then the majority of the game.warren,sykes,williamson should be the 8,9,and 10 guys in the rotation,mick lets sykes continue to fire away from the 3pt line,mitchell or davis shoots one and he yanks them,i really dont know what the veterans have accomplished to earn them the slack they are getting..
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
His postgame said it all. was pretty positive after a loss but the numbers he talked about were just crazy

missed 8 layups

7-14 FT's

1-15 from 3
 
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startine line up for xu game should be vaughn,bishop,mitchell,wilks and mcclain what do you have to lose..
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
well - last year saw the longest losing streak in 70 years - we might have a new record low this year.

If there was even an inkling of coaching results - it would be encouraging. But none so far. This team mick assembled can't compete in the MVC, the OVC or any C you can think of.

This is pathetic beyond anyones imagination - go look at your pre-season predictions. I thought a 1 or 2 game record improvement was doable - but that means he has to win 8 more games. This debacle is worse than anyone thought.
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
You can laugh at Willy all you want, but Cronin hasn't show me a damn thing as a coach all season, nothing. This team does NOTHING well, not a single thing, and it's not getting better. Granted he's not swimming in all americans, but he's not developing the talent he has either.
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
I don't normally get into the "Mick" frays, and I really don't want to now. But so many of you really don't understand what it takes to build a high level Division 1 basketball team, it is embarrassing. When Mick came in here, he had one recruit on his "team". Cedrick. He took a team of Jucos and walk ons and won 9 games. I don't know the over/under, but 9 wasn't bad. He is now in year 2 with a senior class of jucos, and 6 freshmen. He still has the same jucos that lost to Wofford, and 6 people who never played at this level. What the hell do you expect from him? Do you expect the juco seniors to blossom into all-Big East players? Well, they ain't gonna. The best move that I saw all season happen late in the 2nd half, when the only jucos/hold overs in the game were Williamson, Vaughn, and Warren, and he started substituting Freshmen en masse. I don't remember (I'm not real good with time/numbers, but somewhre around the 5:00 minute mark, didn't UC cut the lead to around 6? The freshmen played better than they have all season, and i would not be surprised to see that combination of players in the future. Sikes can plant his ass somewhere around the end of the bench, next to Gentry, and watch our future play. Wilkes has so much talent, it is insane for him and Mitchell to sit down.

I do not believe that Huggins, Wooden, Rupp, or Branch Rickey could win with this team. This "Fire Cronin" thread is so much bull****, it is pitiful.

Sorry, I'm off my soapbox now.
 
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I think we should start Vaughn, Mitchell, Wilks, McClain and Warren starting with the Shootout on Thursday. Get Vaughn, Mitchell, McClain and Wilks used to playing with each other because they will be here in the future, Gentry, Williamson, Sikes and Adam H will not. The only reason I sat start Warren is because he seems to play hard and someone has to play the point and I don't think that is Vaughn's position.
 
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totally agree but mick has to coach for the future wilks 11 mins bishop 11 min,mitchell 8 mins,mcclain 9 mins belton DNP.this cant continue to happen,how many williamson missed layups do we have to see before we figure out that he cant play at this level..
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
as much as i appreciate the jucos for coming last year, they just aren't any good. at all. knowing the talent these freshman have, and seeing glimpses of it tonight, albeit very small glimpses, makes the future look at least a little brighter though.

mick could be the guy or he could end up not being the guy, but it's way too early to tell. still, there are problems with this year's team that any coach should be questioned about; the lack of defense for one. lack of heart/intensity the players show on the court is another. i want to see mick yelling/benching players/getting t'd up if he has to in order to light a fire under these guys asses.

as you can see in this thread hardly any of us want mick fired because we know the situation he was brought in to, but the little things the team should be progressing on they aren't--and that's more frustrating to me than anything.

whoever said that there may be more going on behind the scenes in practices or whatever that is causing chemistry problems could also be right; something just doesn't seem right. i'll have my fingers crossed these cats can gel as the season painfully goes on, but it seems they missed their chance. every other team from here on out is 100 times better than about all of the teams we have lost to, even the other BE bottom feeders are better.

maybe a 'surprise' win over X at the shootout or similar will spark these guys to atleast play their hearts out and keep the scores respectable in the rest of the games. who knows, either way it's gonna be a long, bumpy road and take time. hopefully mick can get there sooner rather than later.
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
is it just me,but in my opinion its seems like he is alot more patient with the holdovers,it seems kind of a** backwards,he should be yanking the williamsons-warrens-gentry-sykes not the freshman. i was talking to one of the coaches a couple weeks ago and he was very optimistic that they would get alot better as the year goes on,he also raved about mitchell.mick needs to let him play through some mistakes and let his talent come out..
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
Well, I just finished off a rack of Montgomery Inn ribs (I have definitely had better) along with a baked potato and small chef salad, and 3 out of a 4-pack of Pilsner Urquell, and man do I feel better. Bring all them sumbitches on! We may take an asswhiping, but we'll black some eyes and cut some faces. And somebody else may have to make hospital visits!!
 
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RE: Fire Mick Cronin?
Tymanh99 Wrote:as much as i appreciate the jucos for coming last year, they just aren't any good. at all. knowing the talent these freshman have, and seeing glimpses of it tonight, albeit very small glimpses, makes the future look at least a little brighter though.

mick could be the guy or he could end up not being the guy, but it's way too early to tell. still, there are problems with this year's team that any coach should be questioned about; the lack of defense for one. lack of heart/intensity the players show on the court is another. i want to see mick yelling/benching players/getting t'd up if he has to in order to light a fire under these guys asses.

as you can see in this thread hardly any of us want mick fired because we know the situation he was brought in to, but the little things the team should be progressing on they aren't--and that's more frustrating to me than anything.

whoever said that there may be more going on behind the scenes in practices or whatever that is causing chemistry problems could also be right; something just doesn't seem right. i'll have my fingers crossed these cats can gel as the season painfully goes on, but it seems they missed their chance. every other team from hear on out is 100 times better than about all of the teams we have lost to, even the other BE bottom feeders are better.

maybe a 'surprise' win over X at the shootout or similar will spark these guys to atleast play their hearts out and keep the scores respectable in the rest of the games. who knows, either way it's gonna be a long, bumpy road and take time. hopefully mick can get there sooner rather than later.

Agreed. The JUCO's werent up to the Big East level, they were simply recruited so they'd have enough players to play. That said, they've all got worse than they were last year. I have trouble understanding that.

As you said, there's nothing wrong with questioning aspects of Cronin's coaching. Im not saying I want him fired because it's the farthest thing from the truth. That said, it's more than fair to question his coaching ability, especially on defense. They dont know how to play defense and arent improving at all. You dont need great players to play decent team defense. Coaches all over the country have shown that. This team and players are bad and they've made little to no improvement over the past 2 seasons. The players just look uninspired most of the time. As I said last game, they look like they're just trying to get through the season to get to next year, where there should be significant improvement.

Id love to see a win over X. Im tired of dealing with loser X fans and their trash talking. Unfortunately, I just cant see it. They've got an excellent basketball team and have no business losing to a team like Cincinnati. This is going to be an extremely rough couple of months. Hopefully we arent going through the same thing next year and I dont think we will.

In conclusion, play the young guys. They're the ones that need the experience and the guys you'll be building the program around. Is it beneficial to give significant minutes to JUCO's that arent much better than the younger guys (if at all)? I dont think so.
 
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ctipton Wrote:Well, I just finished off a rack of Montgomery Inn ribs (I have definitely had better) along with a baked potato and small chef salad, and 3 out of a 4-pack of Pilsner Urquell, and man do I feel better. Bring all them sumbitches on! We may take an asswhiping, but we'll black some eyes and cut some faces. And somebody else may have to make hospital visits!!

OK, I am on my way into town soon. Where do I get a better slab of ribs than Mont. Inn?
 
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I had a feeling I would be seeing a thread with this title pop up on these boards....Give Mick a couple of years before you make an insane statement like he should be fired...His Murray State teams didn't play like this, so this is not what he wants, let him figure it out. If anyone says he has had a month to figure it out, thats also crazy. Who on this Board has coached a Division 1 basketball program? If you have then you can talk, other than that let him figure his team out.
 
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Bearcats4ever Wrote:Who on this Board has coached a Division 1 basketball program? If you have then you can talk,

oscar?? is that you???
 
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There are several places in town who get there ribs from the same butchers as Montgomery Inn, but sell at about 1/2 the price. But for really excellent ribs, my personal favorites are Walt's Barbe6ue on Colerain Avenue (http://www.waltsbarbeque.com/) and Porkopolis Tavern & Grill on Celestial Street in Mount Adams (http://www.porkopolistavern.com/). Porkopolis used to be the Rookwood Restaurant.
 
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HoopsJunky Wrote:
xubrew Wrote:that being said, i'm surprised at how bad uc is. i didn't think they'd be good this year, but i thought they'd be decent. i wasn't ruling out the possibility that they'd gel late in the year and possibly sneak into the ncaas. i was wrong. uc is bad. i never thought they'd struggle this much. they should be doing better than this on talent alone.

It sure makes you wonder about Cronin's ability to coach and develop players.

I'm too impatient to read th whole thread while damn drunk. So, you being sarcastic? Mick has one player on this teeam that has been with him last year, who'll be with him next year. Granted he asked for the gig, and I'm sure he's still grateful. Knock him all you want. Name a coach that could produce more? I'm not a Cronin die hard, but any coach in his spot probably wouldn't do better. Word biatch.
 
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ctipton Wrote:I don't normally get into the "Mick" frays, and I really don't want to now. But so many of you really don't understand what it takes to build a high level Division 1 basketball team, it is embarrassing. When Mick came in here, he had one recruit on his "team". Cedrick. He took a team of Jucos and walk ons and won 9 games. I don't know the over/under, but 9 wasn't bad. He is now in year 2 with a senior class of jucos, and 6 freshmen. He still has the same jucos that lost to Wofford, and 6 people who never played at this level. What the hell do you expect from him? Do you expect the juco seniors to blossom into all-Big East players? Well, they ain't gonna. The best move that I saw all season happen late in the 2nd half, when the only jucos/hold overs in the game were Williamson, Vaughn, and Warren, and he started substituting Freshmen en masse. I don't remember (I'm not real good with time/numbers, but somewhre around the 5:00 minute mark, didn't UC cut the lead to around 6? The freshmen played better than they have all season, and i would not be surprised to see that combination of players in the future. Sikes can plant his ass somewhere around the end of the bench, next to Gentry, and watch our future play. Wilkes has so much talent, it is insane for him and Mitchell to sit down.

I do not believe that Huggins, Wooden, Rupp, or Branch Rickey could win with this team. This "Fire Cronin" thread is so much bull****, it is pitiful.

Sorry, I'm off my soapbox now.
Well said.
 
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Ahhh yes its "world is collapsing" willy.

The steadfast voice of measured reason. Steel strong in the face of adversity. Mr. "Grace under fire".
 
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