RebelKev Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:Hey...how dare you come on this board and make any sence!

How did he make any sense? All I heard was "Halliburton, War Profits, Dick Cheney is the Devil, blah, blah, blah". Yeah, he received his marching orders and carried'em out like a good little lib.

I'm not a big fan of Bush, but Iraq SHOULD have had their asses dealt with in the 90's, and anyone on this board, I.e., Mach, etc., will tell you that's been my stance from the get go.

Not surprising, considering your xenophobic rants.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:Hey...how dare you come on this board and make any sence!

How did he make any sense? All I heard was "Halliburton, War Profits, Dick Cheney is the Devil, blah, blah, blah". Yeah, he received his marching orders and carried'em out like a good little lib.

I'm not a big fan of Bush, but Iraq SHOULD have had their asses dealt with in the 90's, and anyone on this board, I.e., Mach, etc., will tell you that's been my stance from the get go.

Not surprising, considering your xenophobic rants.

Which ones? Post'em moron.

RebelKev Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:

Fo Shizzle Wrote:Hey...how dare you come on this board and make any sence!

How did he make any sense? All I heard was "Halliburton, War Profits, Dick Cheney is the Devil, blah, blah, blah". Yeah, he received his marching orders and carried'em out like a good little lib.

I'm not a big fan of Bush, but Iraq SHOULD have had their asses dealt with in the 90's, and anyone on this board, I.e., Mach, etc., will tell you that's been my stance from the get go.

Not surprising, considering your xenophobic rants.

Which ones? Post'em moron.

We all know you hate...........Muslims........

the other Greg Childers Wrote:We all know you hate...........Muslims........

People like me are the ones fighting for their ******* freedom. No, I don't hate Muslims. I hate RADICAL Muslims. There's a difference. However, since most won't stand up to the ones that ARE radical, it's kind of a tough call.....something your ass is also not experienced enough to speak about. Besides, you wanna talk about hating religions? You f'n hate Christians, a group who IS peaceful. You also hate Jews. So......**** off.

Xenophobe. Yeah, whatever idiot. ....while you sit in the comfort of your home outside of Memphis. GDamn you're a moron. Step into my ******* shoes for a year. You'll be begging to go back to bitching and complaining like an adolescent in his parent's home.

RebelKev Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:We all know you hate...........Muslims........

People like me are the ones fighting for their ******* freedom. No, I don't hate Muslims. I hate RADICAL Muslims. There's a difference. However, since most won't stand up to the ones that ARE radical, it's kind of a tough call.....something your ass is also not experienced enough to speak about. Besides, you wanna talk about hating religions? You f'n hate Christians, a group who IS peaceful. You also hate Jews. So......**** off.

Xenophobe. Yeah, whatever idiot. ....while you sit in the comfort of your home outside of Memphis. GDamn you're a moron. Step into my ******* shoes for a year. You'll be begging to go back to bitching and complaining like an adolescent in his parent's home.

Hmmm.........more ignorance from RebelKev. Not surprising really.

Yeah, I hate Christians. I hate them so much I go to church every Sunday. Not just any church, but a good old fashioned Southern Baptist church.

BTW, Christians have killed more people than Muslims have throughout history.

If you hate radicals so much, you must be filled with self-loathing.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:Hmmm.........more ignorance from RebelKev. Not surprising really.

Yeah, I hate Christians. I hate them so much I go to church every Sunday. Not just any church, but a good old fashioned Southern Baptist church.

I believe that about as much as I believe Bush is a fiscal conservative.

Quote:BTW, Christians have killed more people than Muslims have throughout history.

Are they still doing it? Ohhhhh, you're talking about the crusades, aren'tcha? How ******* long has that been? I'm not a real religious person, but when I hear this dumb*** argument it always makes me question the intellect of the fool I'm talking to. Now, name the last war that was fought over Christianity. Bet you can't.

Quote:If you hate radicals so much, you must be filled with self-loathing.

Yeah, I'm a radical. Funny. Yep, a radical in everything I believe. Freedom. .....and I will, and have, fight for it. You call it radical, so be it. Someone has to be. ******* like you never will.

I'd be surprised if you could manage to tie your shoes without assistance.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:BTW, Christians have killed more people than Muslims have throughout history.

Evidence?

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:BTW, Christians have killed more people than Muslims have throughout history.

Evidence?

I guess you've never heard of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

Ninerfan1 Wrote:

the other Greg Childers Wrote:BTW, Christians have killed more people than Muslims have throughout history.

Evidence?

I guess you've never heard of the Crusades or the Spanish Inquisition.

Actually I have heard of both.

Please tell me how many people christians killed during the crusades. Obviously you know the number since you are using it to justify your statement that "christians" have killed more people than Muslims have.

As far as the Inquisition goes there are varying figures on just how many were killed during it, some as low as 900, others as high as 3 to 5 thousand. Since Muslims killed over 3000 on 9/11 we could probably call it a wash on that end.

But let's grant you that extra 2k since I'm sure you need it. You're stating that 2k, combined with the total number of people killed by "Christians" during the crusades is greater than those killed by Muslims. That would mean that total is more than the total killed by Muslims in:

The Ridda Wars, The Byzantine-Arab wars that took place over about 500 years and saw Muslims conquests all the way into Asia, the Islamic conquest of Persia where the Persian army of well over 20k was wiped out. But of course you know of the many, many wars where Muslims have invaded other countries in an effort to convert them to the "right" religion right? But then of course we add that to the death toll of the Muslim civil wars that have taken place over history, hell the Iran/Iraq war alone cost Iran over 1 million casualties. Then combine that with the total number of people killed in terrorist attacks by Muslims, which increases daily by the way, and then....well you get the idea (maybe).

But then again I'm sure you have all these numbers well in hand to make such a grand and absolute statement that "christians have killed more people throughout history than muslims."

Here's a tip junior, before making such a statement in the future, have at least a basic grasp of history. Clearly you don't, or else you'd never have made such a monumentally moronic assertion.

Ninerfan1 Wrote:Actually I have heard of both.

Please tell me how many people christians killed during the crusades. Obviously you know the number since you are using it to justify your statement that "christians" have killed more people than Muslims have.

As far as the Inquisition goes there are varying figures on just how many were killed during it, some as low as 900, others as high as 3 to 5 thousand. Since Muslims killed over 3000 on 9/11 we could probably call it a wash on that end.

But let's grant you that extra 2k since I'm sure you need it. You're stating that 2k, combined with the total number of people killed by "Christians" during the crusades is greater than those killed by Muslims. That would mean that total is more than the total killed by Muslims in:

The Ridda Wars, The Byzantine-Arab wars that took place over about 500 years and saw Muslims conquests all the way into Asia, the Islamic conquest of Persia where the Persian army of well over 20k was wiped out. But of course you know of the many, many wars where Muslims have invaded other countries in an effort to convert them to the "right" religion right? But then of course we add that to the death toll of the Muslim civil wars that have taken place over history, hell the Iran/Iraq war alone cost Iran over 1 million casualties. Then combine that with the total number of people killed in terrorist attacks by Muslims, which increases daily by the way, and then....well you get the idea (maybe).

But then again I'm sure you have all these numbers well in hand to make such a grand and absolute statement that "christians have killed more people throughout history than muslims."

Here's a tip junior, before making such a statement in the future, have at least a basic grasp of history. Clearly you don't, or else you'd never have made such a monumentally moronic assertion.

Told you he would bring up something hundreds of years old.

I just picked two incidents, but it was far from an all-inclusive list. I guess you won't be satisfied until I have accounted for every single one.

Of course, you'd still find a way to discount every one of them because it contradicts your ideology.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:I just picked two incidents, but it was far from an all-inclusive list. I guess you won't be satisfied until I have accounted for every single one.

You picked the only two incidents you know without googling "Christians and killing" or the like.

And I'd be satisfied with a list that even approaches a remote justification for your claim.

Quote:Of course, you'd still find a way to discount every one of them because it contradicts your ideology.

Actually i wouldn't. I welcome you providing me the statistics to back up your claim. I know the concept of ACTUALLY backing up a claim you make is alien to you, but give it a shot. See I'd hate to think you'd make such an absolute statement when all you can provide is the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition.

I'm looking forward to seeing your numbers. I'm sure you won't have trouble providing them....right?

Actually, I believe he said that Christians have killed more people than Muslims have. I don't think he said that Christians killed more Muslims than Muslims have. Based on that, he's probably right. Many of those fighting in WWI and WWII were Christians, at least on the allied side. Depends on your definition of Christian. Even Stalin spent time in seminary school. Was he a Christian? Then you have all the fighting in Europe in Medieval and later times.

To that, add most of those in the US Civil War, and many of the native Americans that were killed.

Or are we talking about a particular date cutoff, before which none of this counts?

NIU007 Wrote:Actually, I believe he said that Christians have killed more people than Muslims have. I don't think he said that Christians killed more Muslims than Muslims have. Based on that, he's probably right. Many of those fighting in WWI and WWII were Christians, at least on the allied side. Depends on your definition of Christian. Even Stalin spent time in seminary school. Was he a Christian? Then you have all the fighting in Europe in Medieval and later times.

To that, add most of those in the US Civil War, and many of the native Americans that were killed.

Or are we talking about a particular date cutoff, before which none of this counts?

The issue is, however, a group of people killing based on their religion. That's the entire purpose of the current dialogue.

HEY...LETS START A CIVIL WAR THREAD.....CAUSE THIS ONE GOT HIJACKED!!!!!

RebelKev Wrote:The issue is, however, a group of people killing based on their religion. That's the entire purpose of the current dialogue.

Then Muslim vs. Muslim killings should be tossed out. We should only count Muslims vs. non-Muslims.

the other Greg Childers Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:The issue is, however, a group of people killing based on their religion. That's the entire purpose of the current dialogue.

Then Muslim vs. Muslim killings should be tossed out. We should only count Muslims vs. non-Muslims.

Your assertion would still require being backed up with SOME facts. To date you've presented none. (shocking)

Yes, yes. This is exactly the discussion I envisioned when I started this thread. Its so clear from the initial thread that I really wanted to have the same Huntingtonian polemical back and forth about our civilization's Hegelian History that every thread on here turns into thanks to the neo-con apocalypticysts

Oh wait. Nevermind.

OUGwave Wrote:Yes, yes. This is exactly the discussion I envisioned when I started this thread. Its so clear from the initial thread that I really wanted to have the same Huntingtonian polemical back and forth about our civilization's Hegelian History that every thread on here turns into thanks to the neo-con apocalypticysts

Oh wait. Nevermind.