Id much rather take Memphis as team 9 then add UCF in any aspect. IMO they add nothing to any sport. If we had to go 10, which we dont, id say ECU.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:

Wilkie01 Wrote:Oh, yes, I am.

We just disagree on this and that is just what makes us different people. Get over yourself.

I enjoy your posts but I do not always agree with you! I take no offense with your thoughts but I will always tell you what I think.

Peace,

Wilkie

I have said the same thing to you too. You know I usually enjoy your posts as well. There is no reason to say get over anyone's self. I am not the only poster here who thinks, at a minimum, Saturdays during football season should be as expansion free as possible. What I would have really loved to see at the top of the board yesterday morning would have been your thoughts on things to expect in the Louisville vs. South Florida game. Oh well. To each his own.

Anyway, I'm cool with you, also. I guess we both were just on the rag or something!

Peace, my brother,

Wilkie

CollegeCard Wrote:

RIFRAF Wrote:When they were in CUSA they only drew 10-15k people to games.

What year did UC draw in the low teens in attendance? Just wondering, I'm sure it must have happened if that's what you say.

P.S.- I'll ignore that ECU doesn't normally draw 40k, on the other end of exaggeration.

We had over 40,000 for USM, UCF and UAB this year as well as ncsu and unc-ch. We averaged 37,000 last year (2 games over 40,000...I think). Not to get into a stupid expansion thread again but over 40,000 for every home game this year and averaged over 37,000 last year is pretty darn close to 40,000.

I just do not understand the logic in this entire discussion. Beyond the fact that nobody here knows anything or has any influence.

The Big East games are already televised in Orlando. Why do you want to add a team in a "market" you are already in?

One of the main problems currently in the Big East, according to many of you, is not getting enough teams in the NCAA tournament. Why would you want to add a team that will take one of your spots most years?? People like to condescend about Memphis and say "they would not win that much in the Big East!!" Memphis is damn near a professional basketball team that will beat most teams they play no matter where they play.

We all know that there is a magical % that the NCAA will not exceed when it comes to selection time. 7 of 12 teams is 58%. (7 is probably the most in a 16+ team league as well) 10 team league will get a max of 6. 9 team league a max of 5. I am sure their are exceptions but most will admit this seems to be fairly accurate.

WVU, UL, UC, UConn, Pitt, and Syracuse are all consistent NCAA tournament teams. In a 9 team league...one of you is already out! Add Memphis, 2 of you are possibly out most years.

Look at a 12 team all-sports league. (Add Memphis, UCF, ECU, and ???)

-7 NCAA tournament teams.(Most years WVU, UC, UL, UConn, Pitt, Syracuse, Memphis are all in) (MORE TV TIME!!!) (9 teams = 5 bids)

-7 Bowl tie-ins. You could add Liberty and possibly a Tampa.(MORE TV TIME!!!!) (9 teams = 5 bowls)

-New markets in North Carolina and Tennessee.(MORE TV TIME!!!!) (9 teams = 1 or fewer new markets)

-Conference football championship game.(MORE TV TIME!!!!) (9 teams = NO title game)

BullsBEAST Wrote:Id much rather take Memphis as team 9 then add UCF in any aspect. IMO they add nothing to any sport. If we had to go 10, which we dont, id say ECU.

I honestly don't care on 3 fronts - 1) BE isn't expanding anytime soon 2) UCF will hold our own in whatever conference. 3) The Big East is a northeast conference - we really don't fit. The BE should look at Villanova since they already play hoops in the NBE.

I'm glad you said "IMO" that UCF doesn't add anything because that isn't facts. We currently have the #1 conference record in the C-USA football and will most likely host the football championship game. We were #2 in hoops last year in the C-USA. 2-0 this year beating a good Nevada team. We are also leading the C-USA in football attendance.

I can't deny that Memphis and ECU wouldn't make good additions to any conference. I'm hoping we can build up the C-USA in the next few years.

KNIGHTTIME Wrote:

BullsBEAST Wrote:Id much rather take Memphis as team 9 then add UCF in any aspect. IMO they add nothing to any sport. If we had to go 10, which we dont, id say ECU.

I honestly don't care on 3 fronts - 1) BE isn't expanding anytime soon 2) UCF will hold our own in whatever conference. 3) The Big East is a northeast conference - we really don't fit. The BE should look at Villanova since they already play hoops in the NBE.

I'm glad you said "IMO" that UCF doesn't add anything because that isn't facts. We currently have the #1 conference record in the C-USA football and will most likely host the football championship game. We were #2 in hoops last year in the C-USA. 2-0 this year beating a good Nevada team. We are also leading the C-USA in football attendance.

I can't deny that Memphis and ECU wouldn't make good additions to any conference. I'm hoping we can build up the C-USA in the next few years.

Not to sound sarcastic, because I'm not, but C-USA is ranked, what, 14th in football and basketball? Being ranked #1 and #2 isn't the greatest endorsement.

ECU, Memphis and UCF are all going to Bowl games. Second year in a row for ECU.

UCF and ECU would be 3rd and 5th in attendance in a 12 team Big East.

Memphis is one of the best if not the best basketball team in the country.

All this without the advantages of being able to put "BCS" behind our names.

Put it to rest.

TexanMark Wrote:If Memphis plays a Big East Team they'll be embarrassed.

Maybe. Maybe not. It's not like there haven't been upsets this year. And bowl games are prime for upsets when you have an uderdog who really wants to be there versus a school who doesn't really want to be there because they hoped to have been in a more illustrious bowl.

Why are all of these cusa fans telling us that memphis is probably the best team in the nation and that they are an NBA team or that they could most if not all the teamsi in the nation. Based on what? Memphis is a great team. No denying that at all. But are they really better than UNC or Georgetown or Louisville or UCLA? I dont know, but I will put them all in the same category at this point. As the season goes on, they will get a chance to prove if they are actually better than these teams. Dont get me wrong, because I would prefer Memphis to any other candidate with ECU being a close 2nd. But I'm not ready to declare them as the best team in the land just yet. I think that will come dowm to georgetown or UNC or UCLA. Memphis will be there somewhere as well.

cuseroc Wrote:Why are all of these cusa fans telling us that memphis is probably the best team in the nation and that they are an NBA team or that they could most if not all the teamsi in the nation. Based on what? Memphis is a great team. No denying that at all. But are they really better than UNC or Georgetown or Louisville or UCLA? I dont know, but I will put them all in the same category at this point. As the season goes on, they will get a chance to prove if they are actually better than these teams. Dont get me wrong, because I would prefer Memphis to any other candidate with ECU being a close 2nd. But I'm not ready to declare them as the best team in the land just yet. I think that will come dowm to georgetown or UNC or UCLA. Memphis will be there somewhere as well.

I think that Memphis is as talented a team that there is in the nation. However, that doesn't guarantee us anything. You still have to win ballgames on the court. That being said, all teams have weaknesses and we're no different.

This has nothing to do with conference realignment. I'm simply talking about basketball THIS season.

Topcard91 Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

RIFRAF Wrote:When they were in CUSA they only drew 10-15k people to games.

What year did UC draw in the low teens in attendance? Just wondering, I'm sure it must have happened if that's what you say.

P.S.- I'll ignore that ECU doesn't normally draw 40k, on the other end of exaggeration.

We had over 40,000 for USM, UCF and UAB this year as well as ncsu and unc-ch. We averaged 37,000 last year (2 games over 40,000...I think). Not to get into a stupid expansion thread again but over 40,000 for every home game this year and averaged over 37,000 last year is pretty darn close to 40,000.

One of the main problems currently in the Big East, according to many of you, is not getting enough teams in the NCAA tournament. Why would you want to add a team that will take one of your spots most years?? People like to condescend about Memphis and say "they would not win that much in the Big East!!" Memphis is damn near a professional basketball team that will beat most teams they play no matter where they play.

We all know that there is a magical % that the NCAA will not exceed when it comes to selection time. 7 of 12 teams is 58%. (7 is probably the most in a 16+ team league as well) 10 team league will get a max of 6. 9 team league a max of 5. I am sure their are exceptions but most will admit this seems to be fairly accurate.

WVU, UL, UC, UConn, Pitt, and Syracuse are all consistent NCAA tournament teams. In a 9 team league...one of you is already out! Add Memphis, 2 of you are possibly out most years.

His post was obviously referencing a period of at least 4 years, since he referred to UC in CUSA. I think most know ECU has drawn well this season, with over 40k a multiple times this year. I was talking about a more representative view, where ECU does not consistently draw 40k.

History tells us ECU does not come close to consistently drawing 40k, but can do so in seasons where they are able to host 2 in-state ACC opponents. Such seasons would be 1999 and 2007, the only years over the last decade where the Pirates were over 40k. No other season even drew above the 37's, and in fact you've actually drawn less than 30k as much as over 40k this decade...1 time each. Rounded to the nearest thousand, the last 5 years of ECU attendance are 37k, 33k, 31k, 33k, & 30k. ECU has great attendance for CUSA and they can draw with a name opponent, but I just called him out because his facts were way off.

As for basketball, one would hope our leaders are using a little more longterm vision than you seem to be using. Ignoring that its crazy to claim Memphis is a near pro team, we aren't talking about 1 or 2 seasons here. Even if one is to assume Memphis would be at an NCAA level 5 years from now, when are the current Big East powers running from being affliated in a league with other quality teams? I find it sad that your best pitch for adding ECU on the basketball end is your near admission that your team is so bad they will never challenge in the league or "steal" a bid from another league team that "deserves it more" based on tradition.