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DFW HOYA Wrote:
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Quote:I was very disappointed when Boise State was in D1AA and Georgetown and all those other division III schools were thrown into D1AA.  Georgetown started appearing in the D1AA stats as one of the top ten offenses in D1AA.   That was ridiculous.  You had a group of about 35 to 40 schools  that were  classified D1AA that played Division III football schedules, but their stats counted in D1AA.
Georgetown was reclassified I-AA in 1993 and has not played a game below D-I in ten years. I-AA stats apply to all I-AA members, even those that play D-II and D-III schools.

The Hoyas' schedule continues to make progress. In addition to regular I-AA playoff participants like Lehigh and Colgate, the Hoyas played Florida International, VMI and Cornell in the last two seasons and have added Penn, Yale, and Brown on future schedules. Because it has a temporary field until construction concludes on a new facility, it is tough to get some opponents to play in DC, but they're making the effort.
Wow, a real Hoya fan!!!!
Can Georgetown play in the D1AA playoffs????
Does Georgetown win more games than they lose???
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The Hoyas were only 4-8 in 2003 but are expected to do better this season. They have recently added a former head coach at Navy (Elliott Uzelac) as their OC.

Their conference (Patriot) gets an automatic bid to the I-AA playoffs and the PL champion (Colgate) advanced to the I-AA finals last year.
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DFW HOYA Wrote:The Hoyas were only 4-8 in 2003 but are expected to do better this season. They have recently added a former head coach at Navy (Elliott Uzelac) as their OC.

Their conference (Patriot) gets an automatic bid to the I-AA playoffs and the PL champion (Colgate) advanced to the I-AA finals last year.
Does Georgetown offer football scholarships now?
05-18-2004 08:25 AM
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DFW HOYA Wrote:Does Georgetown offer football scholarships now?
In the Patriot League, recruits are offered grants, but they are based solely on need. Given that tuition can be expensive at these schools (next year's tuition, room, and board at Georgetown will top $42,260), most recruits will qualify for need. However, if a CEO's son wants to play, chances are he won't get a grant regardless of ability. The schools also enforce what is called an academic index, which limits the numbers of recruits within various GPA and SAT strata.

By the NCAA's definition, this is not an athletic scholarship, though the schools actively recruit and sign players to grants also considering A-10, Southern, and some lower-tier Big East scholarship offers. Because of this, some schools spend a lot on the sport in the PL--Colgate and Holy Cross' football budgets are well over $2.5 million, which is about as much as some Sun Belt teams.

As to the original point of the thread, I think there are changes ahead in I-AA, but the BCS' hold on the I-A money isn't going away either. The concern is that the Big Sky, Southern, MEAC, SWAC, and Gateway could all try for I-A and still be shut out by the bigger schools for the financial windfalls that BCS schools enjoy.
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Dog Breath Wrote:
HerdZoned Wrote:This happens I-AA will die. I will be back to I-A and DIV II
D1AA WILL DIE......
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

How many D1aa teams can you name???

How many D1aa teams are there???

How many people really care???
I don't know how many there are now but I still keep up with I-AA and I can name quite a few. I-AA is far from dead. But is in the danger zone. Tech is in more danger then I-AA is if they don't make the decision to go back to the SunBelt. Now way do they make it in the WAC.
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HerdZoned Wrote:
Dog Breath Wrote:
HerdZoned Wrote:This happens I-AA will die. I will be back to I-A and DIV II
D1AA WILL DIE......
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

How many D1aa teams can you name???

How many D1aa teams are there???

How many people really care???
I don't know how many there are now but I still keep up with I-AA and I can name quite a few. I-AA is far from dead. But is in the danger zone. Tech is in more danger then I-AA is if they don't make the decision to go back to the SunBelt. Now way do they make it in the WAC.
If you are a Marshall fan, then why do you care about sun belt teams.

La Tech is better off in the WAC and after UNT and LA, LA join the WAC, they will be even better off.
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This was posted on eGriz.com by "100 proof grizzly" and sums it up pretty good. He thinks that Fullertons stand is deadly serious to force the NCAA into actually stiffening the requirements. If not we jump. The Big Sky schools met in Sacramento this week and this subject was number 1 on the agenda. We'll know soon. The 1AA shakeup has begun gentlemen just like many predicted. By 2005 or 2006.

Here's the post.

Fullerton is seizing upon a "loophole" for a lack of other term. He is looking to the future and is priviledged to info that we don't have.

Right now nobody cares about I-AA and has no representation on any board that carries any weight. The A-10 is rumored to be looking at not having playoffs or possibly reducing scholarships, but they don't want to do it alone. The other "power" leagues (Big Sky, Gateway, Southland, and Southern) believe in scholarship football but are getting p*ssed at having to constantly fight the NCAA, and the BCS schools over everything from the one in four rule to absolutely no exposure for I-AA. Compounding the problem is the situation of particular schools and conferences that go out of their way to bypass or obstruct the rules and regulations that the membership agreed to to raise I-A standards (5 home games, 17,000 actual attendence, 16 sports, etc).

Fullerton has placed himself in a position where he can't lose. Right now, all of the newer, tougher I-A standards are sitting in a committee where they will likely die, which means that I-A has standards that allow smaller schools like Idaho and Troy State to make the jump. Fullerton's actions will result in one of two things: If the threat of the Big Sky going I-A (which under the standards of the early 90's which are still in effect) most, if not all current Big Sky schools could make the jump. Attendence isn't being enforced (obviously look at Idaho and the MAC), sports aren't being counted, and I have heard that there are some I-A schools that operate in the mid 70's in terms of scholarships. The Big Sky is in a win-win situation here. Either something gets done with I-AA, and things are better in terms of exposure and economics, or the Big Sky goes I-A with at least three other "power" conferences and since we all know that the NCAA doesn't regulate post season football at the I-A level, there is nothing keeping those I-AA conferences from setting up their own tournament (possible NIT football tournament). The Big Sky schools can afford the upgrade with one or two "body bag" games a year, but the schools will probably have records concurrent with what they have now (if you suck in I-AA, you will suck in I-A). The schools that invest (ie Youngstown St. McNeese, etc) will have success because most of their games will be against opponents that they play now (the main benefit of an entire conference moving up).

This will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming months. I know that this long, but I think that I may have an idea of what Fullerton is trying to accomplish. Let the flame wars begin...
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bigskygriz Wrote:This was posted on eGriz.com by "100 proof grizzly" and sums it up pretty good. He thinks that Fullertons stand is deadly serious to force the NCAA into actually stiffening the requirements. If not we jump. The Big Sky schools met in Sacramento this week and this subject was number 1 on the agenda. We'll know soon. The 1AA shakeup has begun gentlemen just like many predicted. By 2005 or 2006.

Here's the post.

Fullerton is seizing upon a "loophole" for a lack of other term. He is looking to the future and is priviledged to info that we don't have.

Right now nobody cares about I-AA and has no representation on any board that carries any weight. The A-10 is rumored to be looking at not having playoffs or possibly reducing scholarships, but they don't want to do it alone. The other "power" leagues (Big Sky, Gateway, Southland, and Southern) believe in scholarship football but are getting p*ssed at having to constantly fight the NCAA, and the BCS schools over everything from the one in four rule to absolutely no exposure for I-AA. Compounding the problem is the situation of particular schools and conferences that go out of their way to bypass or obstruct the rules and regulations that the membership agreed to to raise I-A standards (5 home games, 17,000 actual attendence, 16 sports, etc).

Fullerton has placed himself in a position where he can't lose. Right now, all of the newer, tougher I-A standards are sitting in a committee where they will likely die, which means that I-A has standards that allow smaller schools like Idaho and Troy State to make the jump. Fullerton's actions will result in one of two things: If the threat of the Big Sky going I-A (which under the standards of the early 90's which are still in effect) most, if not all current Big Sky schools could make the jump. Attendence isn't being enforced (obviously look at Idaho and the MAC), sports aren't being counted, and I have heard that there are some I-A schools that operate in the mid 70's in terms of scholarships. The Big Sky is in a win-win situation here. Either something gets done with I-AA, and things are better in terms of exposure and economics, or the Big Sky goes I-A with at least three other "power" conferences and since we all know that the NCAA doesn't regulate post season football at the I-A level, there is nothing keeping those I-AA conferences from setting up their own tournament (possible NIT football tournament). The Big Sky schools can afford the upgrade with one or two "body bag" games a year, but the schools will probably have records concurrent with what they have now (if you suck in I-AA, you will suck in I-A). The schools that invest (ie Youngstown St. McNeese, etc) will have success because most of their games will be against opponents that they play now (the main benefit of an entire conference moving up).

This will be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming months. I know that this long, but I think that I may have an idea of what Fullerton is trying to accomplish. Let the flame wars begin...
Thanks for the insightful information! I think it would be cool to have the upper echelon of the d1aa schools make the jump to d1a. That would give the WAC a much bigger pool of schools to draw from. I think the Montana schools and Portland State could be viable candidates for WAC membership.

The Big Sky could turn around and pickup teams from the Great Western Conference.
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SportsDawg Wrote:
HerdZoned Wrote:This happens I-AA will die. I will be back to I-A and DIV II
But it won't happen! Does anyone really believe that a whole D1AA conference could make the move to D1A? Maybe we should run a poll????
You don't have to, because that is not any more likely than the bottom half of 1A being competitive with the top half.
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Dog Breath Wrote:
HerdZoned Wrote:This happens I-AA will die. I will be back to I-A and DIV II
D1AA WILL DIE......
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

How many D1aa teams can you name???

How many D1aa teams are there???

How many people really care???
Lets put it this way; if you asked a 100 people on both coasts to name,say 10 1A schools, do you think anyone would say Boise? Get a clue even out here the only 1A schools anyone thinks of on a regular basis is the Pac-10.
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polsongriz Wrote:
Dog Breath Wrote:
HerdZoned Wrote:This happens I-AA will die. I will be back to I-A and DIV II
D1AA WILL DIE......
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

How many D1aa teams can you name???

How many D1aa teams are there???

How many people really care???
Lets put it this way; if you asked a 100 people on both coasts to name,say 10 1A schools, do you think anyone would say Boise? Get a clue even out here the only 1A schools anyone thinks of on a regular basis is the Pac-10.
But....I do get quite a few emails from college fans in the east talking about the Broncos. The common line is that they don't have any affiliations with the state of Idaho, but they are big Bronco fans, just from watching the ESPN games. They love the blue turf and the dominating offense.

Boise State has lead the nation in Scoring offense 3 out of the last 4 years!
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broncobob Wrote:
polsongriz Wrote:
Dog Breath Wrote:
HerdZoned Wrote:This happens I-AA will die. I will be back to I-A and DIV II
D1AA WILL DIE......
I THOUGHT IT WAS ALREADY DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!

How many D1aa teams can you name???

How many D1aa teams are there???

How many people really care???
Lets put it this way; if you asked a 100 people on both coasts to name,say 10 1A schools, do you think anyone would say Boise? Get a clue even out here the only 1A schools anyone thinks of on a regular basis is the Pac-10.
But....I do get quite a few emails from college fans in the east talking about the Broncos. The common line is that they don't have any affiliations with the state of Idaho, but they are big Bronco fans, just from watching the ESPN games. They love the blue turf and the dominating offense.

Boise State has lead the nation in Scoring offense 3 out of the last 4 years!
You gotta love that field. :bluethumb:
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