RobertN Wrote:Yeah, it is funny how Christians believe in "creationism"(Bible based theory) vs evolution(a science based theory). Sounds like Christians are just about as far behind in the real world so you should be careful with your answers. At least you guys finally gave up on the Earth is flat and the Earth is the center of the solar system. Hey, it is a start.

Tell the truth, you want religion banned, don't you?

RebelKev Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:Unfortunately there is no thread on the "Move On" ad. So what was your take on that? I already know and you will just be flip flopping on your last post if you answer.

I think it was appalling and I think General Petraeus deserves an apology. However, I don't think there should be a f'n resolution passed on the floors of Congress. If a member of congress wants to denounce it outside of his/her roles as a congressman/woman, not problem and in this case, probably warranted. Any more brainbusters?

Obviously(as expected) you have no clue as to what they were trying to say with the ad. What did you think about your hero Rush's original comments? What about his follow up comments calling the soldier a "suicide bomber"(or as you guys call it, "homicide bomber")?

RebelKev Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:Yeah, it is funny how Christians believe in "creationism"(Bible based theory) vs evolution(a science based theory). Sounds like Christians are just about as far behind in the real world so you should be careful with your answers. At least you guys finally gave up on the Earth is flat and the Earth is the center of the solar system. Hey, it is a start.

Tell the truth, you want religion banned, don't you?

No. I want them to live in the real world. I want them to live in peace(ALL religions). I want them to stay out of politics(unless they want to pay taxes). I don't want them making this country's laws. On second thought, banning may not be a bad idea.

RebelKev Wrote:

Fanatical Wrote:Unfortunately, there are plenty of religious wackos on all sides that would like to turn back the clock a millenia or so.

Christian whackos are generally denounced. Don't believe me? Do a little research on Gore's friend, Fred Phelps, the Branch Davidians, or Jim Jones.

I guess that depends on your definition of "wacko". I haven't seen too much Christian denouncing Ken Ham's make-believe geological history for his $40 million creation museum. That is unless Christians believe in "floating forests", and light can travel faster than its constant speed.

RobertN Wrote:Obviously(as expected) you have no clue as to what they were trying to say with the ad. What did you think about your hero Rush's original comments? What about his follow up comments calling the soldier a "suicide bomber"(or as you guys call it, "homicide bomber")?

Oh please. The damn ad called the General a traitor, yes, by saying someone betrayed their country, you are calling them a traitor.

As for the suicide bomber BS, it's just that, BS. I have listened to Rush since the start of all of this. No,l he did NOT call anyone a damn suicide bomber. You're blinded by your own partisanship. As for calling soldiers phony, he was referring to people LIKE Jesse MacBeth. Now, if you want to say he was wrong, well, I guess we at USMILNET, Armyparatrooper.org, the guys at various other military boards shouldn't have called his ass phony either. Screw that, that piece of **** was phony as hell and his group, IVAW, apparently doesn't know a damn thing about the military since they didn't pick up on his "Ranger Photo" from the get go.

Fanatical Wrote:I guess that depends on your definition of "wacko". I haven't seen too much Christian denouncing Ken Ham's make-believe geological history for his $40 million creation museum. That is unless Christians believe in "floating forests", and light can travel faster than its constant speed.

Who the hell is Ken Ham? However, and while I haven't heard about it, what's wrong with an organization creating a museum? Baseball does it, football does it, hell, even BJ Clinton has a museum. Kinda selective in your anger, aren't you? Now, if they're trying to get government funds to do it, well, I'm right there with you. If not, your anger is misplaced.

BTW, there are museums based on evolution, and they ARE funded with my tax dollars....I'm also against that.

As for RobertN, if you read his posts, he's all for free speech, etc., so long as it's his version. You people that try and equate Christianity with Islam, when's the last time a war was fought over Christianity?

Ken Ham is the builder of the Creation Museum; which sounds like it would be a nice idea, but he uses some of the most ridiculous ideas to justify the Biblical creation. If he had actually stuck to the Bible instead of make up ideas (floating forests, dinosaurs on Noah's Ark, animals repopulate the earth on floating rafts, etc) his museum might be worth visiting. Now it is nothing but a mockery of Genesis and a good laugh.

I dislike religious influence on politics in all aspects. I appear selective about my anger because this board is primarily Christian. I have argued against Islamic influence in governemnt with Muslims as well; they're always ready for another caliphate. Of course, Islam is too divided to actually agree on a caliph anymore.

And I would hazard to guess the last truly state sponsored inter-christian religious war was in the middle of the 17th century. The spanish still were conquring the Americas for Christian spain after this though. And yes, evolution is the current scientific theory of life's progression on earth. So science museums do include it. The good thing about it is that in science you can disprove theory; good luck with evolution, though, no one has come close yet.

Fanatical Wrote:Ken Ham is the builder of the Creation Museum; which sounds like it would be a nice idea, but he uses some of the most ridiculous ideas to justify the Biblical creation. If he had actually stuck to the Bible instead of make up ideas (floating forests, dinosaurs on Noah's Ark, animals repopulate the earth on floating rafts, etc) his museum might be worth visiting. Now it is nothing but a mockery of Genesis and a good laugh.

Quote:He can build whatever he wants, can't he?And yes, evolution is the current scientific theory of life's progression on earth. So science museums do include it. The good thing about it is that in science you can disprove theory; good luck with evolution, though, no one has come close yet.

Good luck with what? Disproving evolution? Kinda hard to disprove something that has yet to be proven, ain't it?

RebelKev Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:Obviously(as expected) you have no clue as to what they were trying to say with the ad. What did you think about your hero Rush's original comments? What about his follow up comments calling the soldier a "suicide bomber"(or as you guys call it, "homicide bomber")?

Oh please. The damn ad called the General a traitor, yes, by saying someone betrayed their country, you are calling them a traitor.

As for the suicide bomber BS, it's just that, BS. I have listened to Rush since the start of all of this. No,l he did NOT call anyone a damn suicide bomber. You're blinded by your own partisanship. As for calling soldiers phony, he was referring to people LIKE Jesse MacBeth. Now, if you want to say he was wrong, well, I guess we at USMILNET, Armyparatrooper.org, the guys at various other military boards shouldn't have called his ass phony either. Screw that, that piece of **** was phony as hell and his group, IVAW, apparently doesn't know a damn thing about the military since they didn't pick up on his "Ranger Photo" from the get go.

1st. THey were saying that instead of making his own report, he was going to bend down and kiss Bush's ass. WHich we ended up finding was the case. 2) He didin't call him a suicide bomber? WTF were you listening to? Here is what he said:

"This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren't hurting me they are betraying this soldier," Limbaugh said.

If you are fine with that, I feel REALLY sorry for you.

Oh, as for your southern right wing, Rush ass kissing, Bush worshiping, "military" boards. I am not impressed.

RebelKev Wrote:BTW, there are museums based on evolution, and they ARE funded with my tax dollars....I'm also against that.

As for RobertN, if you read his posts, he's all for free speech, etc., so long as it's his version. You people that try and equate Christianity with Islam, when's the last time a war was fought over Christianity?

As I type this. In Iraq. "God" told Bush to attack Iraq.

Note: God only in quotes because I think it is Bush's psychological problems that were really telling him to go. Or it was Cheney-who Bush thinks is God.

RobertN Wrote:1st. THey were saying that instead of making his own report, he was going to bend down and kiss Bush's ass. WHich we ended up finding was the case.

Wrong. They asked him for his report, and he GAVE, his report. They didn't like it because it wasn't what showed them in a positive light. Who the **** is it that's in Iraq? General Petraeus? Or a bunch of nutjobs at Moveon.org which is full of probably 99% of idiots the never donned the uniform?

Quote:2) He didin't call him a suicide bomber? WTF were you listening to? Here is what he said:

"This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren't hurting me they are betraying this soldier," Limbaugh said.

If you are fine with that, I feel REALLY sorry for you.

That's not calling him a suicide bomber and how convenient you left out ALL of the transcript. The Communists used to use the same tactics.

Quote:Oh, as for your southern right wing, Rush ass kissing, Bush worshiping, "military" boards. I am not impressed.

We're not out to impress left-wing whackos. Try Military.com.

RobertN Wrote:As I type this. In Iraq. "God" told Bush to attack Iraq.

Note: God only in quotes because I think it is Bush's psychological problems that were really telling him to go. Or it was Cheney-who Bush thinks is God.

See, now you're just posting conjecture. Sad.

BTW, my members at USMILNET are located all over the world, from Iraq, to Afghanistan, to Korea, to Germany, to San Fran, to the Pacific NW, to New England, to.....you name it. Tell me, where do you get all of your "knowledge" from? Oh, I know, an American-hating billionaire immigrant.

Rush's "phony soldier":

RobertN Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:BTW, there are museums based on evolution, and they ARE funded with my tax dollars....I'm also against that.

As for RobertN, if you read his posts, he's all for free speech, etc., so long as it's his version. You people that try and equate Christianity with Islam, when's the last time a war was fought over Christianity?

As I type this. In Iraq. "God" told Bush to attack Iraq.

Note: God only in quotes because I think it is Bush's psychological problems that were really telling him to go. Or it was Cheney-who Bush thinks is God.

or, perhaps it was the liberal atheist at the Washington Post editorial board, from Inauguration Day 2001:

Quote:“Of all the booby traps left behind by the Clinton administration, none is more dangerous–or more urgent–than the situation in Iraq. Over the last year, Mr. Clinton and his team quietly avoided dealing with, or calling attention to, the almost complete unraveling of a decade’s efforts to isolate the regime of Saddam Hussein and prevent it from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction. That leaves President Bush to confront a dismaying panorama in the Persian Gulf [where] intelligence photos . . . show the reconstruction of factories long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons.”

Washington Post - 2001

RebelKev Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:1st. THey were saying that instead of making his own report, he was going to bend down and kiss Bush's ass. WHich we ended up finding was the case.

Wrong. They asked him for his report, and he GAVE, his report. They didn't like it because it wasn't what showed them in a positive light. Who the **** is it that's in Iraq? General Petraeus? Or a bunch of nutjobs at Moveon.org which is full of probably 99% of idiots the never donned the uniform?

Quote:2) He didin't call him a suicide bomber? WTF were you listening to? Here is what he said:

"This is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said and then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media and a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into. This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him, they aren't hurting me they are betraying this soldier," Limbaugh said.

If you are fine with that, I feel REALLY sorry for you.

That's not calling him a suicide bomber and how convenient you left out ALL of the transcript. The Communists used to use the same tactics.

Quote:Oh, as for your southern right wing, Rush ass kissing, Bush worshiping, "military" boards. I am not impressed.

We're not out to impress left-wing whackos. Try Military.com.

Wow. How sad. I am really sorry for you. Just sad to see that a soldier would sit there and accept Rush comparing another soldier to a suicide bomber. It is also basically calling him a traitor too. Very sad. Hey, wait, are YOU Rush?

GGniner Wrote:

RobertN Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:BTW, there are museums based on evolution, and they ARE funded with my tax dollars....I'm also against that.

As for RobertN, if you read his posts, he's all for free speech, etc., so long as it's his version. You people that try and equate Christianity with Islam, when's the last time a war was fought over Christianity?

As I type this. In Iraq. "God" told Bush to attack Iraq.

Note: God only in quotes because I think it is Bush's psychological problems that were really telling him to go. Or it was Cheney-who Bush thinks is God.

or, perhaps it was the liberal atheist at the Washington Post editorial board, from Inauguration Day 2001:

Quote:“Of all the booby traps left behind by the Clinton administration, none is more dangerous–or more urgent–than the situation in Iraq. Over the last year, Mr. Clinton and his team quietly avoided dealing with, or calling attention to, the almost complete unraveling of a decade’s efforts to isolate the regime of Saddam Hussein and prevent it from rebuilding its weapons of mass destruction. That leaves President Bush to confront a dismaying panorama in the Persian Gulf [where] intelligence photos . . . show the reconstruction of factories long suspected of producing chemical and biological weapons.”

Washington Post - 2001

Well, all those "intelligence photos" turned out to be crap. Sounds like someone who was getting his info from http://www.newamericancentury.org/

RebelKev Wrote:Good luck with what? Disproving evolution? Kinda hard to disprove something that has yet to be proven, ain't it?

No it isn't hard, Kev.

Example:
Unproven claim: The moon is made of cheese.
Scientists: Lets find out.
NASA: Flies to the moon, "Nope, no cheese in sight."
Scientists: It looks like we have disproven the claim that the moon is made of cheese.

I think my point from the other day stands. You ignored all of those meaningless resolutions that recognized Christians and even those that tried to mandate "voluntary" Judeo-Christian prayer, but you jumped on Islam when it got its own meaningless resolution.

By the way, did you know it is perfectly fine to pray in school? It's true, just don't disrupt class while doing it. There have been cases where the ACLU has defended the rights of students to form prayer groups and pass out Christian messages.

RebelKev Wrote:Rush's "phony soldier":

Maybe if he would have actually said him rather than "soldiers" in plural and a mention of the above idiot BEFORE 1 min 30 seconds AFTER saying soldiers. Both sides have their idiots. We do have George "the constitution is just a g**damn piece of paper" Bush as President afterall.