No fair..You are using invisible guys...

eldermars Wrote:<span style='color:blue'>&nbsp; Utah State (shakes head)... poor little brother.</span>

Put him on ignore. :laugh: Little brother huh. Let me see 84-62, 71-57, and 4 losses in the past 5 hoops games. Get ready to be schooled again by your "little brother" in December.

Don't worry this guy is orbiting Mars, just a troll on the WAC boards. :snore:

eldermars Wrote:<span style='color:blue'> Utah State (shakes head)... poor little brother.</span>

So . . . how're Luke's post-steroid, post-NFL debacle DTs coming along, hmmmmm?

Question eldermars . . . does your screen name refer to:

Your home planet?

The planet where you served your mission?

Or the planet you've been promised in the Clestial Kingdom?

My money's on No. 1, but all three seem plausible.

<span style='color:blue'> Heehee, USU fans! You kids kill me!</span>

eldermars Wrote:<span style='color:blue'>  Heehee, USU fans!  You kids kill me!</span>

Zoobies gotta love 'em. Well not really, but without them we wouldn't have anyone to make fun of. Maybe the ewettes, but honestly they just aren't as fun to tease and they have their heads on earth for the most part, not where no man has gone before.
:lolup:

BTW the colors on those uni's look awfully familiar. Glad you realized how ugly you were, and became better looking. Where have I seen those colors?

LMFAO, CalAggie! :lolup:

nvspuds Wrote:I guess it's understandable because they are new guys, but the fans of USU take all this MWC expansion drivel far more seriously than they should. It's just talk..Dan Hawkins doesn't have a vote..Neither does Steve Cleaveland. It doesn't matter what they think. Message board posters don't decide anything either.

University presidents decide all this and they do so for a wide variety of reasons. Conference jumping happens every few years and will happen again..It may affect the WAC..It may not. Still, noboby is leaving at the moment...It will all work out okay..

Well said nvspuds....you hit the nail on the head!

CalAggie Wrote:Question eldermars . . . does your screen name refer to:

Your home planet?

The planet where you served your mission?

Or the planet you've been promised in the Clestial Kingdom?

My money's on No. 1, but all three seem plausible.

LMAO! Thanks for making my day, CalAggie!
:lolup:
So, is that the only response you can come up with, eldermars LMAO (everytime I see your handle I'm going to laugh now. thanks, CalAggie)? Aren't you going to tell us why the MWC is so much greater than the WAC? Brilliant response, eldermars! :withstupid:

You gotta love the BYU humor, right?

The Truth about Brother Brigham's 2nd choice as university:


<a href='http://www.physics.utah.edu/~jkaggie/difference.html' target='_blank'>Just the iceberg's tip:</a>

The MWC(Mostly Wac Conference) has nothing to offer to the top teams of the WAC. The bottom dwellars well the harsh reality is they have no say. If you have a strong Football/ basketball program- you got the power! :saber:
....as not to stray, If Nevada and Hawaii could step up and make some serious noise, then the MWC would be begging to get in. They are not a respected conference, their best can not match our best. Boise and fresno are finding their way on espn, why?-ITS ALL ABOUT WINNING!!, Just win and all will be taken care of. Conference money,tv time, ticket sales, recruiting, it all goes hand and hand with winning.
...forget the MWC!! Line em up, and lets smach them again!

goBulldogs01 Wrote:The MWC(Mostly Wac Conference) has nothing to offer to the top teams of the WAC. The bottom dwellars well the harsh reality is they have no say. If you have a strong Football/ basketball program- you got the power! :saber:
....as not to stray, If Nevada and Hawaii could step up and make some serious noise, then the MWC would be begging to get in. They are not a respected conference, their best can not match our best. Boise and fresno are finding their way on espn, why?-ITS ALL ABOUT WINNING!!, Just win and all will be taken care of. Conference money,tv time, ticket sales, recruiting, it all goes hand and hand with winning.
...forget the MWC!! Line em up, and lets smach them again!

Great post, Bulldog! You a Fresnoite or a Rustonite?

Glad to see most WAC fans are against moving to the MWC. I agree with you....the MWC is an overrated conference. The WAC has lots of potential. Screw the Mountain Waste.

It makes me sad everytime I go to the MWC board and see some Fresno, Boise and Hawaii (not too many of 'em) begging the MWC for admission. Yeah, like if message board fans have any authorithy when it comes to expansion. Those guys need some dignity and stop humiliating themselves.

Now, if that kind of commitment I see here was made by the WAC's ADs and Presidents two years ago.....UTEP might still be in the WAC. :rolleyes:

I'll try and offer a Tech perspective. It would be a long post if I were to list the things we've gained from the WAC. From recruiting to attendance, it's been very benificial. Unfortunately, we're now on an Island. If we were to jump conference, it would simply be for geographic reasons. I'd put the best in the WAC against the best in MWC or CUSA anyday. Tech is playing fewer murder games this year than usual, so maybe we can help the perception by beating Kansas.

But, MWC and CUSA expansion is no more than talk right now. I sure don't want to join the Belt. The WAC is our best option right now, but our money is drying up quickly. We need a travel parter like you wouldn't believe.

But, forget the MWC or CUSA...here's to a great year of WAC football. Welcome to our newest members. Wouldn't it be crazy if we had 4 or 5 WAC teams that were bowl eligible when all is said and done? I think we can be a very strong conference and I look forward to seeing it happen.

Go Dawgs!

USU,
.....ITS GOTTA BE FRESNO STATE!!!

...and to add a little side note,after re-reading my previous post, I think its more appropriate to say that the MWC is not as respected or feared as the WAC top tier teams. I said they are not respected, and they are to an extent, but not as much as they would have us believe. Who knows maybe they will come back as a conference this year, since they been off for awhile now maybe letting the coaching changes and youth grow up.......but the WAC is still going to spank em. :D
They shouldve picked up the WAC teams while they were hot, now the WAC is going to pass them on by!

If the teams in the current WAC lineup do not begin to improve and make a commitment to athletics (football especially), I personally would rather see Fresno State make the move to the MWC if that becomes an option in the future. Everywhere I read about the WAC, I read the same thing over and over, the WAC is Boise State, Fresno State, and not much else (occasionally Hawaii is mentioned as well). That is the perception and it makes it hard to earn respect for the league. I hope that the WAC as a whole begins to up pick up and elevate their game, but if things do not change and more consistently competitive teams do not emerge in the new WAC, I have no problem saying that I would rather see Fresno State in the MWC if it were a possibility. Will it happen? Who knows. I don't mean to bag on the WAC and have nothing against the WAC, but I am being real. The WAC has lost some of it's football credibility and it does have an effect on all of the teams in the conference.

NoDogDown is right. Unless we (USU for one) can show SIGNIFICANT improvement, we are and will not be better than the mountain worst. I truly believe USU, NMSU, and the Spartans have made a real commitment to improve their programs regarding coaches and facilities. It's up to the fans to make that a reallity. I would hope Idaho takes the initiative as well, and I think the fan base is ready to return to their winning ways of the past. LTU is on a bit of an island, but they are just as important in this respect as jonnylight explained. They are a proven WAC member and can hopefully make a run as well.

BSU and FSU are the clear cut flagship schools of the WAC right now and the rest need to raise the competition in regards to football (the dicipline that counts). Sure Nevada, Hawaii, and hopefully USU will contend for NCAA glory in hoops, but we all need to step it up when to comes to the true sport that makes or breaks a conference.

IMHO any team in the WAC who may or may not get an invite to the mwc should jump right now unless clear impovement is shown. It really sucks, but that is the reality.

NoDogDown Wrote:If the teams in the current WAC lineup do not begin to improve and make a commitment to athletics (football especially), I personally would rather see Fresno State make the move to the MWC if that becomes an option in the future. Everywhere I read about the WAC, I read the same thing over and over, the WAC is Boise State, Fresno State, and not much else (occasionally Hawaii is mentioned as well). That is the perception and it makes it hard to earn respect for the league. I hope that the WAC as a whole begins to up pick up and elevate their game, but if things do not change and more consistently competitive teams do not emerge in the new WAC, I have no problem saying that I would rather see Fresno State in the MWC if it were a possibility. Will it happen? Who knows. I don't mean to bag on the WAC and have nothing against the WAC, but I am being real. The WAC has lost some of it's football credibility and it does have an effect on all of the teams in the conference.

I think you need to add Nevada and Utah State to the WAC's top teams. WAC is more than just a football conference. Basketball counts too. La Tech is just 3 years removed from the WAC football championship. so they have proved that they compete.

San Jose State, Idaho and NMSU all need to make major improvements to football AND basketball to be WAC-worthy.

We are all WAC Brethren, we need to be behind all WAC teams. Kick some OOC but in Football AND basketball.

broncobob Wrote:

NoDogDown Wrote:If the teams in the current WAC lineup do not begin to improve and make a commitment to athletics (football especially), I personally would rather see Fresno State make the move to the MWC if that becomes an option in the future.&nbsp; Everywhere I read about the WAC, I read the same thing over and over, the WAC is Boise State, Fresno State, and not much else (occasionally Hawaii is mentioned as well).&nbsp; That is the perception and it makes it hard to earn respect for the league.&nbsp; I hope that the WAC as a whole begins to up pick up and elevate their game, but if things do not change and more consistently competitive teams do not emerge in the new WAC, I have no problem saying that I would rather see Fresno State in the MWC if it were a possibility.&nbsp; Will it happen?&nbsp; Who knows.&nbsp; I don't mean to bag on the WAC and have nothing against the WAC, but I am being real.&nbsp; The WAC has lost some of it's football credibility and it does have an effect on all of the teams in the conference.

I think you need to add Nevada and Utah State to the WAC's top teams. WAC is more than just a football conference. Basketball counts too. La Tech is just 3 years removed from the WAC football championship. so they have proved that they compete.

San Jose State, Idaho and NMSU all need to make major improvements to football AND basketball to be WAC-worthy.

We are all WAC Brethren, we need to be behind all WAC teams. Kick some OOC but in Football AND basketball.

Well said BroncoBob. I personally would not be bitter if any team left the WAC. The MWC isn't expanding any time soon, so I don't know why fans believe they can lobby on message boards. It isn't going to change the policy, so why do it?

All I know is that USU, NMSU, and Idaho are happy to be here. It will help us, however keep in mind that the WAC needed us as well. USU does need to improve in some sports, even basketball, but hey we all do. Remember that NMSU has a long tradition of great hoops, so I wouldn't right them off. They used to almost always beat us.

Let's have some fun this season.