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I'd love to hear Tigershark's take on this. Is the hybird conglammeration going to prevent another raid? Slim chance, I think.
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I can't see them adding Mo. they want TV$$$$ if they add.. the best move would be to go east.. and that would be either Cuse or Rutgers... no one else makes alot of sense... even if they went with Mo... I think it ends up getting to the BE.. Ark would prob go big 12... then SEC would either add WV, Louisville, or Clemson... even if they add clemson.. the ACC would come calling on cuse..

these shake ups are not done yet.. its just a matter of who makes the next leap... I still think the BE should split.. and add.. but think they will stand pat.. till they get hit again.
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goodknightfl Wrote:I can't see them adding Mo. they want TV$$$$ if they add.. the best move would be to go east.. and that would be either Cuse or Rutgers... no one else makes alot of sense...

Actually Missouri would be their Number 1 Choice after Notre Dame and has been for years. It has always been Notre Dame or expand to the West when it came to the Big Ten.

IF they ever expand it goes in this order:

1. Notre Dame
2. Missouri
3. Syracuse
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goodknightfl Wrote:I can't see them adding Mo. they want TV$$$$ if they add.. the best move would be to go east.. and that would be either Cuse or Rutgers... no one else makes alot of sense...

I tend to agree with you. I think grabbing Rutgers makes the most sense.

Big state university that has high academics? Yeah, that sounds like the Big 10.

New York/New Jersey? Bonus!
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chess Wrote:Seriously, if the Big 10 Network is this BIG, why not just expand to 14?

East

Rutgers or Pittsburgh
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue

West

Missouri
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Nebraska

Frankly, the Nebraska television market is small. Syracuse, Pittsburgh, or Rutgers (New Jersey) may make more sense.

If the Big 10 pushes to 14, then the SEC and ACC would make the same push.

SEC

East

South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Kentucky
West Virginia or Louisville

West

Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Arkansas
Oklahoma (and/or Kansas and/or Oklahoma State)


The point is not the "teams" as much as consolidating television markets. I also think the power conferences want ensure a "tiered" system for a championship.

The ACC could grab Connecticut and Syracuse (or Rutgers or Pittsburgh) and then be at 14 schools.

The loser will be the left overs in the Big 12 who will, once again, raid the Big East, MWC and C-USA for teams.

Expanding by 3 has been talked about as well in Big Ten Country. Now is that happens and Notre Dame says no then the 3 will likely be Missouri, Syracuse and Rutgers over Pittsburgh.
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Maize Wrote:Expanding by 3 has been talked about as well in Big Ten Country. Now is that happens and Notre Dame says no then the 3 will likely be Missouri, Syracuse and Rutgers over Pittsburgh.

Great points!

I wonder if Penn State would have any pull for Pittsburgh?

Once again, if the B10 expands to 14, I could see the SEC and ACC following their lead.

The ACC would desire more teams up north with Boston College. Syracuse, Rutgers, and Conneticut would become targets. Would Pittsburgh also be in the mix?
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Quote:Frankly, the Nebraska television market is small. Syracuse, Pittsburgh, or Rutgers (New Jersey) may make more sense

-- Nebraska may have a smaller market but they have more fans, and I'm assuming much more of a national following. They also have huge name recogonition. Also, they might be willing to jump if Texas and A+M go west.

I would think the Big 10 would have to at least talk to them and weigh their interest



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Quote:I wonder if Penn State would have any pull for Pittsburgh?

-- 03-lmfao...PSU won't even give Pitt a home and home, they're not going to push for them to get into the Big 10. Also, PSU has been using the "We are in the Big 10 and they're not" angle with PA recruits since they left. I doubt they want to bring the Panthers up to an even recruiting level

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the problem with the idea of 14.. is two fold... first can u make the $$$$$ make sense.. doubtful.. and school prez tend to be a conservative bunch and not step out on a limb.. the Big 10 has resisted going to 12... so I just cant see them taking the leap of faith in 14. If they expand.. its likely to at least at first be 12... I know they like Mo.. but there is more TV$$$ by going to eastern time zone..if u can lock up the NY/Jersey tv market thats huge.. that is why I would see.. just as Deleny mentions... Cuse and Rutgers..
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Jackson1011 Wrote:
Quote:Frankly, the Nebraska television market is small. Syracuse, Pittsburgh, or Rutgers (New Jersey) may make more sense

-- Nebraska may have a smaller market but they have more fans, and I'm assuming much more of a national following. They also have huge name recogonition. Also, they might be willing to jump if Texas and A+M go west.

I would think the Big 10 would have to at least talk to them and weigh their interest



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I tend to agree with your statements. Nebraska is one of the "storied programs". That would carry a lot of weight to the tradition rich Big 10.

Markets may not be everything. It took Rutgers 100 years to put together a program (Well, you get my drift).
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Quote:I wonder if Penn State would have any pull for Pittsburgh?

-- 03-lmfao...PSU won't even give Pitt a home and home, they're not going to push for them to get into the Big 10. Also, PSU has been using the "We are in the Big 10 and they're not" angle with PA recruits since they left. I doubt they want to bring the Panthers up to an even recruiting level

JMO

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Does everyone get the feeling that Mikey T will get blindsided AGAIN.
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Quote:I wonder if Penn State would have any pull for Pittsburgh?

-- 03-lmfao...PSU won't even give Pitt a home and home, they're not going to push for them to get into the Big 10. Also, PSU has been using the "We are in the Big 10 and they're not" angle with PA recruits since they left. I doubt they want to bring the Panthers up to an even recruiting level

JMO

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Well, that doesn't look well for Pittsburgh.
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Jackson1011 Wrote:
Quote:I wonder if Penn State would have any pull for Pittsburgh?

-- 03-lmfao...PSU won't even give Pitt a home and home, they're not going to push for them to get into the Big 10. Also, PSU has been using the "We are in the Big 10 and they're not" angle with PA recruits since they left. I doubt they want to bring the Panthers up to an even recruiting level

JMO

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Does everyone get the feeling that Mikey T will get blindsided AGAIN.


I think he has his "Linus blanket" already cleaned and ready for this.

"Wha....", said Mike T? "They are doing what? Whose left? Well, we support basketball and are a basketball rich conference. Wha...?"
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goodknightfl Wrote:the problem with the idea of 14.. is two fold... first can u make the $$$$$ make sense.. doubtful.. and school prez tend to be a conservative bunch and not step out on a limb.. the Big 10 has resisted going to 12... so I just cant see them taking the leap of faith in 14. If they expand.. its likely to at least at first be 12... I know they like Mo.. but there is more TV$$$ by going to eastern time zone..if u can lock up the NY/Jersey tv market thats huge.. that is why I would see.. just as Deleny mentions... Cuse and Rutgers..

Actually a Big Ten official a few years ago did mention if they expanded why not go to 14.

Also the Western Big Ten schools have been crying about a Western partner for years and the Saint Louis market is not that bad. The problem with Rutgers right now is that they are new to the seen and even the so-called conservative Big Ten Presidents would want more then one or two years of success.
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goodknightfl Wrote:the problem with the idea of 14.. is two fold... first can u make the $$$$$ make sense.. doubtful.. and school prez tend to be a conservative bunch and not step out on a limb.. the Big 10 has resisted going to 12... so I just cant see them taking the leap of faith in 14. If they expand.. its likely to at least at first be 12... I know they like Mo.. but there is more TV$$$ by going to eastern time zone..if u can lock up the NY/Jersey tv market thats huge.. that is why I would see.. just as Deleny mentions... Cuse and Rutgers..

"Mr. College President... How would you like to move from six power conferences (Pac 10, Big 10, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and Big East) to four (Pac 10, Big 10, SEC, and ACC)? It means more money!"
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chess Wrote:
Jackson1011 Wrote:
Quote:I wonder if Penn State would have any pull for Pittsburgh?

-- 03-lmfao...PSU won't even give Pitt a home and home, they're not going to push for them to get into the Big 10. Also, PSU has been using the "We are in the Big 10 and they're not" angle with PA recruits since they left. I doubt they want to bring the Panthers up to an even recruiting level

JMO

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Well, that doesn't look well for Pittsburgh.

-- There is a lot of bad blood between Pitt and PSU that goes back many yrs....especially between Pitt and the Old Man

-- How long before Syracuse and RU ADs pull a Gene DeFlippo and come out with a "we are happy in the BE" statement. Lord, I feel like I am in a bad dream

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goodknightfl Wrote:the problem with the idea of 14.. is two fold... first can u make the $$$$$ make sense.. doubtful.. and school prez tend to be a conservative bunch and not step out on a limb.. the Big 10 has resisted going to 12... so I just cant see them taking the leap of faith in 14. If they expand.. its likely to at least at first be 12... I know they like Mo.. but there is more TV$$$ by going to eastern time zone..if u can lock up the NY/Jersey tv market thats huge.. that is why I would see.. just as Deleny mentions... Cuse and Rutgers..

Actually a Big Ten official a few years ago did mention if they expanded why not go to 14.

Also the Western Big Ten schools have been crying about a Western partner for years and the Saint Louis market is not that bad. The problem with Rutgers right now is that they are new to the seen and even the so-called conservative Big Ten Presidents would want more then one or two years of success.

There are two requirements the Big Ten will require...

1. The school holds similar academic ratings the their schools (Nebraska currently does not and would have to "improve". Rutgers currently does).

2. The school has a market they desire.

The Big 10 feels that a school that fields teams will be able to attract coaches that can win. Rutgers, even with their lack of historical athletic success, has everything the Big 10 desires.
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USFMike Wrote:wow, just great after all the work the conference did to get back, the mudslinging is going to be back in full force. i see this getting a lot worse before it gets any better. losing either rutgers or cuse would be a crushing blow, i know for damn sure we better split if that happens. add memphis and ecu and hope for the best. 03-banghead



Well has long as we are hybrid we are asking for this kind of crap. Bottom line. We aren't serious about this league until the football members take it by the regins and make it their own.
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If the B10 does in fact expand to 12, leaving the ACC, SEC and B12 along with itself at 12, would those conferences apply pressure to the Big East to expand to 12 as well? I don't think you'd see the pressure applied to the Pac 10 due to fact that they play the 9 conference games and have a 100% round robin. I do think that the expanded B10 along with the previously existing 12 team BCS leagues would pressure the Big East to expand to 12 in order to continue to remain in the BCS package as an auto-bid league. I think they would force this because they would argue, as they do now only louder, that the Big East Champion has an easier path to a BCS Bowl and a potential National Championship bid. The main reason for this is the fact that the difficulty of an undefeated season goes up in a 12 team league w/ a championship game and they would want to ensure that their 1 (or even 2) loss teams don't get surpassed in title game appearances by the Big East. What do you think?
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Maize Wrote:
goodknightfl Wrote:the problem with the idea of 14.. is two fold... first can u make the $$$$$ make sense.. doubtful.. and school prez tend to be a conservative bunch and not step out on a limb.. the Big 10 has resisted going to 12... so I just cant see them taking the leap of faith in 14. If they expand.. its likely to at least at first be 12... I know they like Mo.. but there is more TV$$$ by going to eastern time zone..if u can lock up the NY/Jersey tv market thats huge.. that is why I would see.. just as Deleny mentions... Cuse and Rutgers..

Actually a Big Ten official a few years ago did mention if they expanded why not go to 14.

Also the Western Big Ten schools have been crying about a Western partner for years and the Saint Louis market is not that bad. The problem with Rutgers right now is that they are new to the seen and even the so-called conservative Big Ten Presidents would want more then one or two years of success.

There are two requirements the Big Ten will require...

1. The school holds similar academic ratings the their schools (Nebraska currently does not and would have to "improve". Rutgers currently does).

2. The school has a market they desire.

The Big 10 feels that a school that fields teams will be able to attract coaches that can win. Rutgers, lack of historical athletic success, has everything the Big 10 desires.


I agree with you, IF the Big Ten goes to 14 then Rutgers is GONE. I was talking about IF the Big Ten goes to 12 and Notre Dame says no. Then I am of the opinion that the 12th school is Missouri.
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