I'm glad that the WAC told ESPN: no. Next time around, when the contracts are being negotiated again, I would recommend that the WAC look at the C-USA TV contract as a good example to copy. C-USA doesn't get paid all that much by ESPN, but we get good exposure on ESPN with at least 10 FB games + FB championship + at least 6 BB games (our championship game is on CBS). Our CSTV contract pays us the majority of the cash at around $8 million per year, and we get to see a whole bunch of extra games on that network. CSTV is growing decently, recent statistics put it at around 40-50 million homes, and both satellite companies get it.

I wouldn't recommend getting rid of the ESPN part of your deal like the MWC did, look at the hassle they are going through now with their fans, but getting something else on the side to showcase more of your games would be nice for you guys. Plus, the extra cash from the other network helps a lot too. CSTV, Versus, FSN would all do nicely for the extra games. Good luck to you guys.

erdaaggie Wrote:

Idaho Statesman Wrote:The current contract represented a tripling of the WAC's previous deal with ESPN, but is far short of the seven-year, $48 million contract the Mountain West Conference signed with CSTV.

You are reading the quote incorrectly. The current contract (6 year, $6 million) is tripled what the 2001-2003 contract was (3 year, $2 million). Nothing was mentioned about what the offer was that ESPN made to extend the existing contract.

If you guys resign with ESPN don't just sign for the sake of getting "exposure" by lumping your games on Sundays, Mondays, and Tuesdays along with the MAC and Skunkpelt. This is something i strongly give MWC leadership props for.

MWC games on those dates would have been devastating for this league!!

Forgive me but, while we may have a couple of games on Sunday, we don't have any on Monday or Tuesday. Do we have any on Wednesday?

Sunday isn't a bad day at all. The midweek games that start at 5PM or 6PM are a problem because people have trouble getting home from work, gathering and feeding the kids, and getting to the game in a timely fashion. But there is no problem with Sunday games unless you are BYU.

Doesn't the MWC have more midweek games than we do -- or at least a roughly comparable number? And if so, then why are you giving the MWC "leadership props"?

Yoda out...

If I'm not mistaken, the WAC only has one Wednesday game. The rest are on Fri, Sat, and Sun.

Seems the BE or somebody wanted to capture the Thursday spot.

Yoda Wrote:Sunday isn't a bad day at all. The midweek games that start at 5PM or 6PM are a problem because people have trouble getting home from work, gathering and feeding the kids, and getting to the game in a timely fashion. But there is no problem with Sunday games unless you are BYU.

Hey, if you like playing your games on ESPN on Sundays against the NFL like CUSA does then your conference is desperate for whatever TV slot is available.

Quote:Doesn't the MWC have more midweek games than we do -- or at least a roughly comparable number? And if so, then why are you giving the MWC "leadership props"?

Yoda out...

The MWC plays 8 non Saturday games, Thursdays are alright but i would prefer ALL MWC games to be on Saturdays. If they are going to be on national TV then i guess it's ok. The only MWC game not televised "nationally" is the game on Friday Nov. 23rd between CSU/Wyo.

Thursday- UNLV @ Utah State Logan -any TV from you guys??
Thursday- Utah @ Oregon State -FSN
Friday- Utah @ Louisville -ESPN

Thursday- TCU @ Air Force -CSTV
Thursday- Utah @ TCU Fort -VERSUS
Thursday- Air Force @ New Mexico -VERSUS
Thursday- TCU @ BYU -VERSUS
Friday- Wyoming @ Colorado State -The Mtn.

I'm giving the MWC leadership props for not bowing to ESPN when the contract was up for renewal. You know very well Yoda they wanted MWC football to "move out" of Thursdays and share Sundays, Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays along with the MAC and Skunkpelt. CUSA is willing to bend over and take it up the ass like that but not MWC!!

There are a lot of MWC haters from CUSA just because of that fact, they assume that we are "above them" for not wanting to play on those dates along with other things that separate the two conferences.

Loboblast-mwc Wrote:Hey, if you like playing your games on ESPN on Sundays against the NFL like CUSA does then your conference is desperate for whatever TV slot is available.

Quote:Doesn't the MWC have more midweek games than we do -- or at least a roughly comparable number? And if so, then why are you giving the MWC "leadership props"?

Yoda out...

The MWC plays 8 non Saturday games, Thursdays are alright but i would prefer ALL MWC games to be on Saturdays. If they are going to be on national TV then i guess it's ok. The only MWC game not televised "nationally" is the game on Friday Nov. 23rd between CSU/Wyo.

Thursday- UNLV @ Utah State Logan -any TV from you guys??
Thursday- Utah @ Oregon State -FSN
Friday- Utah @ Louisville -ESPN

Thursday- TCU @ Air Force -CSTV
Thursday- Utah @ TCU Fort -VERSUS
Thursday- Air Force @ New Mexico -VERSUS
Thursday- TCU @ BYU -VERSUS
Friday- Wyoming @ Colorado State -The Mtn.

I'm giving the MWC leadership props for not bowing to ESPN when the contract was up for renewal. You know very well Yoda they wanted MWC football to "move out" of Thursdays and share Sundays, Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays along with the MAC and Skunkpelt. CUSA is willing to bend over and take it up the ass like that but not MWC!!

There are a lot of MWC haters from CUSA just because of that fact, they assume that we are "above them" for not wanting to play on those dates along with other things that separate the two conferences.

MWC has 8 non-Saturday games: 3 on Versus, 1 ESPN, 1 FSN, 1 CSTV, 1 mtn, 1 No TV.
WAC has 10 non-Saturday games: 9 on ESPN or ESPN 2, 1 No TV.
C-USA has 9 non-Saturday games: All 9 games on ESPN or ESPN 2.

The WAC and C-USA are doing it the right way, I mean if you are going to play non-Saturday games, you might as well play them on a channel that almost everyone in the country can get. According to loblowblast, the MWC basically.. also takes it up the ass, but they do it for Versus, CSTV, the mtn, and for nobody.

As I said before, I'm glad that the WAC told ESPN no to their contract extension, but next time those talks come around.. don't screw up like the MWC. Why end up with weekday games on Versus, CSTV, or a "mtn" like channel that no one can get? All you'll end up having is people ticked off at your conference, and articles like this: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,695194124,00.html and http://kutv.com/davidjames/local_story_202045242.html

Good luck to you guys in the WAC this year.

jediwarrior Wrote:If I'm not mistaken, the WAC only has one Wednesday game. The rest are on Fri, Sat, and Sun.

Seems the BE or somebody wanted to capture the Thursday spot.

I think the ACC wanted the Thursday slot as well.

Yoda Wrote:Forgive me but, while we may have a couple of games on Sunday, we don't have any on Monday or Tuesday. Do we have any on Wednesday?

Sunday isn't a bad day at all. The midweek games that start at 5PM or 6PM are a problem because people have trouble getting home from work, gathering and feeding the kids, and getting to the game in a timely fashion. But there is no problem with Sunday games unless you are BYU.

Doesn't the MWC have more midweek games than we do -- or at least a roughly comparable number? And if so, then why are you giving the MWC "leadership props"?

Yoda out...

Sundays you're going to go up vs. the NFL and/or World Series/Baseball Playoffs. That's not a winning proposition.

UTEPDude Wrote:

Loboblast-mwc Wrote:Hey, if you like playing your games on ESPN on Sundays against the NFL like CUSA does then your conference is desperate for whatever TV slot is available.

Quote:Doesn't the MWC have more midweek games than we do -- or at least a roughly comparable number? And if so, then why are you giving the MWC "leadership props"?

Yoda out...

The MWC plays 8 non Saturday games, Thursdays are alright but i would prefer ALL MWC games to be on Saturdays. If they are going to be on national TV then i guess it's ok. The only MWC game not televised "nationally" is the game on Friday Nov. 23rd between CSU/Wyo.

Thursday- UNLV @ Utah State Logan -any TV from you guys??
Thursday- Utah @ Oregon State -FSN
Friday- Utah @ Louisville -ESPN

Thursday- TCU @ Air Force -CSTV
Thursday- Utah @ TCU Fort -VERSUS
Thursday- Air Force @ New Mexico -VERSUS
Thursday- TCU @ BYU -VERSUS
Friday- Wyoming @ Colorado State -The Mtn.

I'm giving the MWC leadership props for not bowing to ESPN when the contract was up for renewal. You know very well Yoda they wanted MWC football to "move out" of Thursdays and share Sundays, Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays along with the MAC and Skunkpelt. CUSA is willing to bend over and take it up the ass like that but not MWC!!

There are a lot of MWC haters from CUSA just because of that fact, they assume that we are "above them" for not wanting to play on those dates along with other things that separate the two conferences.

MWC has 8 non-Saturday games: 3 on Versus, 1 ESPN, 1 FSN, 1 CSTV, 1 mtn, 1 No TV.
WAC has 10 non-Saturday games: 9 on ESPN or ESPN 2, 1 No TV.
C-USA has 9 non-Saturday games: All 9 games on ESPN or ESPN 2.

The WAC and C-USA are doing it the right way, I mean if you are going to play non-Saturday games, you might as well play them on a channel that almost everyone in the country can get. According to loblowblast, the MWC basically.. also takes it up the ass, but they do it for Versus, CSTV, the mtn, and for nobody.

As I said before, I'm glad that the WAC told ESPN no to their contract extension, but next time those talks come around.. don't screw up like the MWC. Why end up with weekday games on Versus, CSTV, or a "mtn" like channel that no one can get? All you'll end up having is people ticked off at your conference, and articles like this: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,695194124,00.html and http://kutv.com/davidjames/local_story_202045242.html

Good luck to you guys in the WAC this year.

Honestly, I'm mystified on how Thompson still has that job. A commissioner is someone who takes people to task when things go wrong, a la Jim Delaney, Big Ten Commissioner. Not what Thompson does, which is a joke.

MWC-CHI Wrote:Sundays you're going to go up vs. the NFL and/or World Series/Baseball Playoffs. That's not a winning proposition.

True enough, but every night you are going up against about 300 channels and we're just looking for a small piece of the pie. That said, and as you imply, many casual sports fan will watch some other event if given the opportunity to do so.

But if I recall correctly from the MWC Board, it is mostly about being available to your own fans -- not so much to the casual sports fan. And even on Sunday night, as long as we are on ESPN we are available to our fans.

Yoda out...

Utah @ Oregon State is on FSN Northwest ONLY. No word on whether or not if FSN Utah will pick that game up.

Plus, some other misnomers.

-Not everyone gets satellites. In fact, a lot of people live in places where satellite TV IS NOT ALLOWED.

-I think fans will look at the individual school as opposed to the conference. Air Force, Army and Navy, basically because they are service academies, (I count Notre Dame as an AQ school.) along with Utah, TCU, BYU, Boise State, Fresno State and Southern Miss will pique interest more than anyone else in the non-AQ category in football. You could perhaps throw Toledo, Bowling Green and Miami (Ohio) from the MAC in there. Memphis, Gonzaga and the Missouri Valley Conference will pique the interest of the public more than anyone in the non-AQ category in mens's basketball. Looking at it over and over again, I think the realistic goal level varies from school to school. BYU, Boise State, Fresno State, Southern Miss, TCU and Utah have a realistic goal of going to a BCS bowl game. In the Utes and Broncos case, a return trip. Everyone else, I'm not sure they can realistically get there. In basketball, Memphis has a realistic goal of cutting down the nets. The MVC has really grown as a conference. Programs in that conference, ESPECIALLY Southern Illinois, have raised the level of that conference.

Yoda Wrote:

MWC-CHI Wrote:Sundays you're going to go up vs. the NFL and/or World Series/Baseball Playoffs. That's not a winning proposition.

True enough, but every night you are going up against about 300 channels and we're just looking for a small piece of the pie. That said, and as you imply, many casual sports fan will watch some other event if given the opportunity to do so.

But if I recall correctly from the MWC Board, it is mostly about being available to your own fans -- not so much to the casual sports fan. And even on Sunday night, as long as we are on ESPN we are available to our fans.

Yoda out...

That's true. What I'm trying to get at is that do you want your respective conference to expand the fanbase or make things accessible for the current fanbase and be done with it.

MWC-CHI Wrote:That's true. What I'm trying to get at is that do you want your respective conference to expand the fanbase or make things accessible for the current fanbase and be done with it.

No, I want both but I believe that Sunday probably helps us on that score. Hasn't the NFL Network taken over the Sunday night game? If so, that isn't much competition because so few people get it. And the World Series takes place over one or two weekends and I'm guessing that there are no conflicts.

The real point is that there is no competition from the other college conferences and I think that matters a lot. Indeed, avoiding the Saturday afternoon oversaturation period is probably a more important factor in building viewership than is competition from the World Series and the NFL Network on a Sunday evening. It pays to be the only game in town.

Of course winning trumphs all in building viewership.

Yoda out...

Yoda Wrote:

MWC-CHI Wrote:That's true. What I'm trying to get at is that do you want your respective conference to expand the fanbase or make things accessible for the current fanbase and be done with it.

No, I want both but I believe that Sunday probably helps us on that score. Hasn't the NFL Network taken over the Sunday night game? If so, that isn't much competition because so few people get it. And the World Series takes place over one or two weekends and I'm guessing that there are no conflicts.

The real point is that there is no competition from the other college conferences and I think that matters a lot. Indeed, avoiding the Saturday afternoon oversaturation period is probably a more important factor in building viewership than is competition from the World Series and the NFL Network on a Sunday evening. It pays to be the only game in town.

Of course winning trumphs all in building viewership.

Yoda out...

Sunday Night Football is on NBC. NFL Network has Thursday Night games Thanksgiving until Week 16 and Saturday the last 3-4 weeks of the season.

MWC-CHI Wrote:Honestly, I'm mystified on how Thompson still has that job. A commissioner is someone who takes people to task when things go wrong, a la Jim Delaney, Big Ten Commissioner. Not what Thompson does, which is a joke.

I'm on record for saying that I'll personally take it up the a$$ if it is in exchange for the WAC getting more time on ESPN. National exposure on ESPN is worth just about any sacrifice as long as we're on tv no earlier than 4PM MST any day of the week, IMHO.

ejmpalle Wrote:I'm on record for saying that I'll personally take it up the a$$ if it is in exchange for the WAC getting more time on ESPN.

Your turn is coming Six Pack.

UTEPDude Wrote:MWC has 8 non-Saturday games: 3 on Versus, 1 ESPN, 1 FSN, 1 CSTV, 1 mtn, 1 No TV.
WAC has 10 non-Saturday games: 9 on ESPN or ESPN 2, 1 No TV.
C-USA has 9 non-Saturday games: All 9 games on ESPN or ESPN 2.

Thanks for proving my point that MWC plays the least amount of non-Saturday games compared to the rest of the non-BCS conferences. However, you are mistaken....AGAIN...about the amount of non-Saturday WAC games plays. They play a total of 12 non-Saturday games.

WAC TV schedule

Now, to continue to OWN this HATER I'll do a breakdown of each conference and what weeknights they play just to show were CUSA is along with the MAC and Skunkpelt. After all, it does make a HUGE difference since everybody now agrees that playing on Thursday night has become a staple of college football.

Here is the breakdown from each conference playing on non-Saturdays:

MWC-
6 games on Thursdays
2 games on Fridays (1 no TV)


WAC-
2 games on Sundays
4 games on Thursdays (3 no TV)
6 games on Fridays


CUSA-
3 games on Sundays
1 game on Monday
1 game on Tuesday
1 game on Wednesday
2 games on Thursdays
1 game on Friday



MAC-
2 games on Tuesdays
2 games on Wednesdays
2 games on Thursdays (1 ESPN+, Comcast Local)
7 games on Fridays (6 on ESPNU, 1 Comcast Local)


Sunbelt
1 game on Tuesday
4 games on Thursdays (2 espn+)
2 games on Fridays (1 on CSS)

What's astonishing is that CUSA plays as much Sunday games as Thurs/Fri COMBINED!! But hey, they got their MAC and Skunkpelt buddies! They can view each others games on "mid-major football night":nutkick:

Quote:The WAC and C-USA are doing it the right way, I mean if you are going to play non-Saturday games, you might as well play them on a channel that almost everyone in the country can get. According to loblowblast, the MWC basically.. also takes it up the ass, but they do it for Versus, CSTV, the mtn, and for nobody.

Yea, CUSA is "doing it the right way" as in pick your position you want to take it! LOL!

Stay away from CUSA/MAC/Skunkpelt nights on ESPN2. Those are relegated "mid-major" nights now by media/fans and absolutely NOBODY in the country cares for that time slot for football. Yet another reason why CUSA football avr. under 20K!

Quote:As I said before, I'm glad that the WAC told ESPN no to their contract extension, but next time those talks come around.. don't screw up like the MWC. Why end up with weekday games on Versus, CSTV, or a "mtn" like channel that no one can get? All you'll end up having is people ticked off at your conference, and articles like this: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,695194124,00.html and http://kutv.com/davidjames/local_story_202045242.html

Good luck to you guys in the WAC this year.

You're a complete idiot!!

You make it sound as if playing on VS on a Thursday night is worse than playing on ESPN2 on CUSA/MAC/Skunkpelt regelated nights of Sun,Mon,Tue and Wed!

Also, CUSA plays a WHOPPING 4 games on ESPN/ESPN2 on Saturdays!

This freaking HATER makes it sound as if it's worlds apart than MWC playing 7 games on VS on Saturdays along with the PAC10 and Big12 jumping on board playing 5 games each.


Mid-Major football weeknights on ESPN2 starring the MAC, CUSA and Sunbelt

Wait a second Loboblast...

I just noticed that you used the words "OWN" and "HATER" in your post. But you forgot to throw in a couple of ROTFLMAOs and a few LOLs.

Please try harder next time. Thank you. Otherwise we'll be forced to give you a drink from the hater-aid and send you down the path on the esca-hater.