Poll: Surge failed

First, the surge just reached full troop levels 3 weeks ago. Second, how the hell is the common man sitting on his couch at home going to have any clue whether a military strategy is succeeding or not? Can you imagine if this crap was going on during WWII?!?

In WWII, Congress declared war, following the constitutional guidelines regarding war.

In WWII they didn't suspend habeas corpus.

In WWII there wasn't warrant less wiretapping going on.

In WWII there wasn't an internet, but if there was, I bet it wouldn't be subject to warrant less spying.

We entered WWII due to Pearl Harbor and to aid our allies. We entered Iraq unprovoked on WMD lies. Iraq posed no threat to us or our allies.

If we're going to gripe about something Iraq related, public opinion polls should be very very VERY low on the list.

blazr Wrote:Poll: Surge failed

First, the surge just reached full troop levels 3 weeks ago. Second, how the hell is the common man sitting on his couch at home going to have any clue whether a military strategy is succeeding or not? Can you imagine if this crap was going on during WWII?!?

Most people do not understand the military because there hasn't been a draft in over 30 years. The only people that have any clue as to what is going on have either served in the military or have family that do.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:In WWII, Congress declared war, following the constitutional guidelines regarding war.

In WWII they didn't suspend habeas corpus.

In WWII there wasn't warrant less wiretapping going on.

In WWII there wasn't an internet, but if there was, I bet it wouldn't be subject to warrant less spying.

We entered WWII due to Pearl Harbor and to aid our allies. We entered Iraq unprovoked on WMD lies. Iraq posed no threat to us or our allies.

If we're going to gripe about something Iraq related, public opinion polls should be very very VERY low on the list.

In WWII, Axis combatants didn't sneak onto American soil in civilian clothes, taking advantage of our open society, to kill American citizens.

blazr Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:In WWII, Congress declared war, following the constitutional guidelines regarding war.

In WWII they didn't suspend habeas corpus.

In WWII there wasn't warrant less wiretapping going on.

In WWII there wasn't an internet, but if there was, I bet it wouldn't be subject to warrant less spying.

We entered WWII due to Pearl Harbor and to aid our allies. We entered Iraq unprovoked on WMD lies. Iraq posed no threat to us or our allies.

If we're going to gripe about something Iraq related, public opinion polls should be very very VERY low on the list.

In WWII, Axis combatants didn't sneak onto American soil in civilian clothes, taking advantage of our open society, to kill American citizens.

There were axis combatants in America spying, and indeed plotting to kill Americans. Most notably the Japanese trying to figure out where their balloon bombs were landing. So sorry, but you're wrong.

In WWII, Axis combatants didn't sneak onto American soil in civilian clothes, taking advantage of our open society, to kill American citizens.
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Iraq had combatants sneak onto American soil to kill Americans?

Observer Wrote:Iraq had combatants sneak onto American soil to kill Americans?

Wasn't the reason we went there, so what's your point? You do have one, no?

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:.... axis combatants in America spying, and indeed plotting to kill Americans. Most notably the Japanese trying to figure out where their balloon bombs were landing. So sorry, but you're wrong.

In World War II Germany landed some saboteurs on Long Island and in Florida, but they were caught shortly after coming ashore..

blazr Wrote:

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:In WWII, Congress declared war, following the constitutional guidelines regarding war.

In WWII they didn't suspend habeas corpus.

In WWII there wasn't warrant less wiretapping going on.

In WWII there wasn't an internet, but if there was, I bet it wouldn't be subject to warrant less spying.

We entered WWII due to Pearl Harbor and to aid our allies. We entered Iraq unprovoked on WMD lies. Iraq posed no threat to us or our allies.

If we're going to gripe about something Iraq related, public opinion polls should be very very VERY low on the list.

In WWII, Axis combatants didn't sneak onto American soil in civilian clothes, taking advantage of our open society, to kill American citizens.

Neither did Iraq.

RebelKev Wrote:

Observer Wrote:Iraq had combatants sneak onto American soil to kill Americans?

Wasn't the reason we went there, so what's your point? You do have one, no?

Yes, but our President refuses to admit the real reason that we're over there. If he were to be honest with the American people and simply admit that the reason that we're in Iraq is to make a small group of people richer, I'd be fine with it. At least he's not lying to us anymore, in that case.

Sophandros Wrote:If he were to be honest with the American people and simply admit that the reason that we're in Iraq is to make a small group of people richer, I'd be fine with it.

Observer Wrote:Iraq had combatants sneak onto American soil to kill Americans?

Ramsey Youssef and Abdul Rahman Yasin to name a couple

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:In WWII, Congress declared war, following the constitutional guidelines regarding war.

the Consitution says the following in Article I section 8: "To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;"

That is all it says, no guidelines just that Congress has to declare War. So tell me how this was not a Declaration of War on Iraq(and I suggest reading this and the other laws referenced in it from the 1990's)

Iraq WAR Resolution

Congress voted on and passed an Authorization of the Use of Force, "Iraq War Resolution"....per Constitution it is or would argued in court it is Constitutional.

Quote:In WWII they didn't suspend habeas corpus.

in WW2 they rounded up Japanese-Americans and threw them into Internement camps!!! do you know any history? With War on Terror, we have not suspended Habeaus, unless you are dumb enough to think someone who has declared WAR ON THE NATION and is working FOR FOREIGN AGENTS, has the same rights as you and I....

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Quote:WII there wasn't warrant less wiretapping going on.

Domestic wiretapping isn't, International is and is constitutional. Further Technology is so advanced now its a different ballgame. We have stopped multiple terrorist attacks on our nation, like the Brooklyn Bridge bombing. By simply listening to communications going from other countries here. Not by listening though of course, which is impossible and they don't have near the manpower. but to filter it through a matrix and look for keywords, like "brooklyn bridge" over and over, or "bomb" or "jihad" or other code words...

Quote:We entered WWII due to Pearl Harbor and to aid our allies. We entered Iraq unprovoked on WMD lies. Iraq posed no threat to us or our allies.

keep drinking the kool-aid, it must be good....rational thought works best to cure the hangover.