MercerFan

I understand that you are excited about the upcoming season. As a fan myself, I get the same way.... nothing can get in the way of my team. However, it is true that your team, including your returning "balling players," went 8-10 last year in conference play. Therefore, for someone to say that these players are in fact "proven" does not seem to be a reasonable argument.. seeing that they have neither won the conference championship or finished at or above .500 your argument is formed on the basis of speculation or the "could be" or "should be" argument.. Thus, you are in the same boat as KSU and every other team in this conference. No team in the ASUN is returning a proven team as far as next season is concerned. If your team is "proven" then all they can claim is an 8-10 season in the Atlantic Sun.

I understand that Kennesaw "could be" good and that we are largely unproven as well. That is why I am not quick to throw out outlandish statements such as "Mercer "has" guys who have proven they can (ball)." Clearly they have statistics on paper that indicate many of them can score... however it is evident that your "ballers" just could not ball well enough as they finished below .500 once again.

Finally, lets address the "talent oozing out of all positions" statement. When I hear this statement I am drawn to believe that a team possessing such a trait would seemingly be one with great depth while players would be competing among each other for starting positions. This is obviously not the case at Mercer. Upon the suspension of your top three players your team flat out sucked at the end of last year. A team with "talent oozing out of all positions" would not have looked as if Coach dressed out some clowns in basketball gear due to the fact that they were missing three players.

Buccaneerlover

We went nine deep against you guys last year in our (ETSU/KSU's) second game of the year... I know we lost 75-71... but you guys did have to come back! Thats not a shabby effort from a team playing its entire bench. This year we will be much deeper so I believe we will be ok.

I'm just waitin for one team to start dominating this conference and I hope it's Kennesaw.

KR983

Again that second game...you caught us through a phase where we weren't really playing good ball. Hell the week before we allowed UNF to give us a "game". Sometimes ETSU only gives a damn the last five to ten minutes. I've seen witnessed this for years.

And although I don't fear Mercer next year...it should also be noted that neither do I fear you.


If Mercer and Kennesaw are in a southern division next year, both of you are very conveniently forgetting about Jacksonville.

time will tell.... I found a link to GW's release of their womens basketball schedule.... looks like we will indeed be in divisions...

http://www.gwusports.com/SportSelect.dbm...EASON=2007

Good find KR983....Two divisions it is.

You had about six guys that played quality minutes, plus, you lost some of those players.
You guys base everything on what you COULD HAVE. Let me try ONE MORE TIME, you're not playing North Metro Tech, Tusculum or anyone else from the South Atlantic or Peach Belt Conference. You moved up to division one. If you go nine deep against the top half of the A-Sun, you'll get beat. Like I said, ya have two, maybe three guys who can play ball, that's it.

kr983 Wrote:Buccaneerlover

We went nine deep against you guys last year in our (ETSU/KSU's) second game of the year... I know we lost 75-71... but you guys did have to come back! Thats not a shabby effort from a team playing its entire bench. This year we will be much deeper so I believe we will be ok.

kr983...

Last year we had a solid 5, but not much after it. This year we bring back Henry, plus Ellis is now eligible (former Asheville player, Freshman of the year). So it's proven that those two have D1 talent. That brings us up to 7 players with experience, and 4 with fantastic numbers. Add that to some recruits/sophomores and thats why I say we're oozing talent.

So that's all I mean by it. We have guys that have done it, and now we have a bench that has done it. That was the difference last year.

You are right about the 8-10 mark in conference, and that is a scary point. The only thing to argue is that Henry was suspended after we were 2-2 in conference. Then Pfohl was injured. So we only had 3 total big men for most of the conference games. It will be different this year. Anything .500 or less would be a disaster.

Lover... out of the nine who played only one played less then ten minutes... and he had six...you are right though.... KSU bases everything on what it could or can have ... largely because our athletic department is on the up and up... just look at all the research they are putting into it right now...football looks as if it is going to happen... on the other hand it has already been determined that ETSU focuses on what it cant have... which is any increase in athletic funding for the next four years and a football team.... when I think of ETSU athletics one word comes to mind.... Stagnant.

That's funny, the president made it clear there were ALOT OF IF'S in any thought of KSU football. It looked like it was going to happen at ETSU.
Basing your basketball team on what they could be this year is a bad idea. I mean ETSU COULD actually beat Syracuse when we play them, Upstate COULD actually be competitive this year, quit living in hypothetical land, the reality is KSU's going to be at the VERY BEST a middle/bottom tier team in a not very good conference, atleast for the next 5-10 years

the reality is KSU COULD be at the very best a middle/bottom tier team in a not very good conference, at least for the next 5-10 year.... You argument is speculation as well. Of course that COULD happen... but we COULD also beat UNLV this year... you argument is no better then ours.

Also, our study came out and it seemingly answered a lot of the if's... i will be shocked if we do not pursue a football team.

Buccaneerlover Wrote:That's funny, the president made it clear there were ALOT OF IF'S in any thought of KSU football. It looked like it was going to happen at ETSU.
Basing your basketball team on what they could be this year is a bad idea. I mean ETSU COULD actually beat Syracuse when we play them, Upstate COULD actually be competitive this year, quit living in hypothetical land, the reality is KSU's going to be at the VERY BEST a middle/bottom tier team in a not very good conference, atleast for the next 5-10 years

Speculation is part of any off-season.. KR is right, horrible argument.

Some speculation is more educated than others

Especially when you're basing it on last season's record, and discussing a team that still isn't eligible for division one postseason competition.

LOL "our speculation is better then yours" "you are stupid" .... good arguments... um no. Your argument is no different then ours... you are still stuck in "hypothetical land" just as we are... to claim your speculation is more "educated" then an opposing individuals who has attempted to use all of the available resources (hence the past seasons play) to better his prediction... is simply retarded.

And in response to KSU being a "bottom tier" team ... lol we have yet to do so... and we have just been placed in the easier of the two divisions ... this schedule accompanied by the talented additions to our team does not permit for an invalid argument such as yours. Easier Schedule + Better Players = Declining Results? Um... no.

Also, what does KSU not being eligible for division one postseason competition have to do with this convo? Nothing.
Please provide evidence for this statement: "the reality is KSU's going to be at the VERY BEST a middle/bottom tier team in a not very good conference, at least for the next 5-10 years." And seeing that you are not living in Hypothetical land (according to you) I am going to need concrete support and evidence. THanks.

Who was your offense last year?

Goldfinger Wrote:Who was your offense last year?

Wooten, Stegall, Whipple, Nickerson.. all of whom are back.

I would say Wooten and Stegall... most of our offensive plays were designed for Wooten... and if he wasnt open the team would dish down low to Stegall.. plus the two pretty much hold the top 2 spots for every offensive category KSU has to offer... Next season we return all but one of the leaders in terms of offensive statistics.. that one is assists- everyone knows Golden is gone. Golden was not our offense. Wooten and Stegall clearly hold this claim. Good to know they are back!

Who's your point guard again? Oh yea, he's out of eligibility, and even with him you WERE STILL A MID PACK TEAM! So now, you don't have a proven point guard, a proven leader, and you expect to contend for the regular season title. That's just funny, in the two years you've been division one KSU has had losing seasons, and finished fifth or lower. So, given that Jacksonville, ETSU, Campbell, Mercer, Gardner Webb, Belmont and Lipscomb will all be pretty good teams within the A-Sun, you really still believe you'll have a winning season and finish at or near the top of the A-Sun, without a proven guard?