and still no response about all those other teams that have orange. and still no word from any of their rivals about opposing the orange

this seems to be a pretty simple argument....memphis fans have a reasonable stance...sccconway states that promises were made when we switched over.....gts and other admins dont want/cant comply...which is completely in their realm to do....there isnt a contract or anything...its his board and he can do what ever he wants....either memphis fans will shut up and live with it....or we wont....mlb, i think you underestimate the ability of memphis fans to support our own board...financially, it wouldnt be a problem...as far as the name calling on both sides...its silly...kpig doesnt have "little man syndrome"....hes a decent man with a great family and a great heart....not to mention great BBQ...

if memphis leaves the ncaabbs community, then so be it. since we seem not to contribute financially to ncaabbs and ncaabbs doesnt make money off its posters, it would seem to be a net positive for the other posters and possibly even GTS in terms of server space and bandwith. for memphis, it would give us control over our own board, which is something we've wanted ever since pre-cusa talk days. everyone wins.

kpigout Wrote:No...He wrote a freakin' novel about something he knows absolutely nothing about, and doesn't pertain at all to what's going on here, but it sounds good to you, so you log in with that stupid soda popinski alter ego, and claim another victory because he agrees with you. He ain't got a dog in this fight, but that doesn't matter. He's too dumb to realize it's not even about the stupid colors.

Novel? Man I wish I had novels that long to read when I was in Lit/Eng AP. And if you'll notice, he addressed everything nicely. You wanting to leave, irrationality towards color, complaints of content, the concept of a community which apparently you do not understand even the least bit, etc.

apparently, memphis fans like uab more than they do the color orange. i understand why, most of their athletes have been seen in orange jumpsuits in the past. the only memphis fans not complaining about it are the ones who are colorblind.

BhamHoosier Wrote:apparently, memphis fans like uab more than they do the color orange. i understand why, most of their athletes have been seen in orange jumpsuits in the past. the only memphis fans not complaining about it are the ones who are colorblind.

you are pure class, sir. no wonder 70% of memphis fans want to leave this "community". jeez.

kpigout Wrote:He's too dumb to realize it's not even about the stupid colors.

I thought we were arguing about the color 'orange'?

Cheap shots about players is wrong, I agree with aTx.

this is battle number 3 of a years long war between mt.org and ncaabbs....the color thing just set it off.

mlb Wrote:Edit: Didn't you guys have a similar falling out with the guys at CUSA-talk? I believe your admins got in a fight over similar issues with the Charlotte fans that hosted your site there! Maybe that should tell you about your leadership on your board.

I'm terribly interested in hearing more about this.

aTxTIGER Wrote:this seems to be a pretty simple argument....memphis fans have a reasonable stance...sccconway states that promises were made when we switched over.....gts and other admins dont want/cant comply...which is completely in their realm to do....there isnt a contract or anything...its his board and he can do what ever he wants....either memphis fans will shut up and live with it....or we wont....mlb, i think you underestimate the ability of memphis fans to support our own board...financially, it wouldnt be a problem...as far as the name calling on both sides...its silly...kpig doesnt have "little man syndrome"....hes a decent man with a great family and a great heart....not to mention great BBQ...

if memphis leaves the ncaabbs community, then so be it. since we seem not to contribute financially to ncaabbs and ncaabbs doesnt make money off its posters, it would seem to be a net positive for the other posters and possibly even GTS in terms of server space and bandwith. for memphis, it would give us control over our own board, which is something we've wanted ever since pre-cusa talk days. everyone wins.

+1

GTS quick question... which section of ncaabbs gets the most traffic??? I'm not trying to be mean or spitefull just wondering where the most folks are going to on ncaabbs.

LXA-Tiger Wrote:GTS quick question... which section of ncaabbs gets the most traffic??? I'm not trying to be mean or spitefull just wondering where the most folks are going to on ncaabbs.

Memphis by a decent margin. The way things are trending though, Rice will soon be the biggest. We get more traffic out of the city of Houston than we do from several states.

That was my point about the finances over on the MT.org site. Memphis' share of the donations is lower than the percentage of traffic it brings in here.

if we've worn out our welcome, then so be it. we go on our own and be fine...as you will you guys.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

mlb Wrote:Edit: Didn't you guys have a similar falling out with the guys at CUSA-talk? I believe your admins got in a fight over similar issues with the Charlotte fans that hosted your site there! Maybe that should tell you about your leadership on your board.

I'm terribly interested in hearing more about this.

I'll glady entertain this. There was NOT a falling out between the admins at cusa-talk. We all liked each other. Did we get along all the time? Certainly not. The Charlotte fans owned cusa-talk, we didn't, but they gave us our own section of the site to control. We ran our board by our rules, they ran their board by their rules. What got out of control was the fact that some of their fans (and our fans) got into wars and each sides fans attacked the others and all of us tried to defuse it as much as we could, but some of their fans and some of our fans seemed to do nothing but make life miserable for each sides admins/mods.

What caused us to leave had little to do with that, actually. What caused us to leave is the breakup of CUSA. By that time, CUSA was imploding and Charlotte was going to be headed to the A-10 so it didn't make sense to continue with a group who no longer had a vested interest in our interests like we had. Plus the server being used was nowhere near enough to keep both of us. We grew incredibly large from the time we started on cusa-talk in 2001 and the time we left, in 2004 and it was mainly us that caused the server to bog down due to our immense numbers.

The head guy over there, NinerMac, was a wonderful guy. He was absent a lot, yes, but usually when we asked for something we got it or got a GOOD reason as to why we couldn't, not stupid reasons. We had our own portal, frontpage, etc. and everything.

When we left there for here, that was after you AGREED to host us as our own independent site within the NCAAbbs community with FULL CREATIVE CONTROL over our little section of the site. However, certain individuals here had problems with us making updates to stuff they did so we could make it better for our fans and then when we needed places to put stuff, we had nowhere to put it so our site, in order to get needed info out, started to turn into a myspace lookalike. I couldn't stand it, but in order to get news and info out to our fans, we had little choice. A simple "stickied" post was no good because people ignore them.

That is how things went. I have nothing but respect for the admins/moderators of the Charlotte fans. Now their fans don't like me because I stuck up for my Tiger fans, just as I do now, and I couldn't care less. I'm not here to cater to all of NCAAbbs. I'm here to cater to my fellow Tiger fans. However I've helped gts with stuff on this site quite a bit the past 3 1/2 years as well as mods of other forums here. Whenever anyone has needed me, I've helped as best I could.

SCConway Wrote:I'll glady entertain this. There was NOT a falling out between the admins at cusa-talk. We all liked each other. Did we get along all the time? Certainly not. The Charlotte fans owned cusa-talk, we didn't, but they gave us our own section of the site to control. We ran our board by our rules, they ran their board by their rules. What got out of control was the fact that some of their fans (and our fans) got into wars and each sides fans attacked the others and all of us tried to defuse it as much as we could, but some of their fans and some of our fans seemed to do nothing but make life miserable for each sides admins/mods.

That matches exactly what I heard from the Charlotte side of the fence ... except for why there was fighting and over what. But we'll get to that in the very bottom of my post.

SCConway Wrote:The head guy over there, NinerMac, was a wonderful guy. He was absent a lot, yes, but usually when we asked for something we got it or got a GOOD reason as to why we couldn't, not stupid reasons. We had our own portal, frontpage, etc. and everything.

What board software did they use back then? Quite a bit changed since then ... the demise of UBB ... Invision going for-pay-only and becoming a security problem .... phpBB becoming unmaintained and completely defenseless against spambots .... etc. Your software dictates an awful lot.

SCConway Wrote:When we left there for here, that was after you AGREED to host us as our own independent site within the NCAAbbs community with FULL CREATIVE CONTROL over our little section of the site. However, certain individuals here had problems with us making updates to stuff they did so we could make it better for our fans and then when we needed places to put stuff, we had nowhere to put it so our site, in order to get needed info out, started to turn into a myspace lookalike. I couldn't stand it, but in order to get news and info out to our fans, we had little choice. A simple "stickied" post was no good because people ignore them.

Full creative control resulted in the "MySpace look" that even some of your most devoted followers didn't particularly care for. A line has to be drawn somewhere. It felt like the Memphis page was one step away from having official "If you don't forward this PM to 10 people in 10 minutes you won't have luck in your love live ever again!!!11 zomg lol!!!11" messages. What you created with full control was also an absolute nightmare to deal with under the hood. Your webpage had worse looking code than something MS Word or MS Frontpage would spit out.

SCConway Wrote:That is how things went. I have nothing but respect for the admins/moderators of the Charlotte fans. Now their fans don't like me because I stuck up for my Tiger fans, just as I do now, and I couldn't care less. I'm not here to cater to all of NCAAbbs. I'm here to cater to my fellow Tiger fans. However I've helped gts with stuff on this site quite a bit the past 3 1/2 years as well as mods of other forums here. Whenever anyone has needed me, I've helped as best I could.

Standing up for your fans is admirable, and not why they "hate" you. I think it's more a problem of, with apologies to Red River, the lunatic fringe ruling the roost. Seems the extremist element ... which at best is irrational ... is driving things, and making even usually reasonable posters hostile.

This is, quite possibly, the most retarded conversation I have ever been a part of.

OH THE DRAMA!

Bartindekalb Wrote:This is, quite possibly, the most retarded conversation I have ever been a part of.

OH THE DRAMA!

You gotta love ego battles

Quote:What board software did they use back then? Quite a bit changed since then ... the demise of UBB ... Invision going for-pay-only and becoming a security problem .... phpBB becoming unmaintained and completely defenseless against spambots .... etc. Your software dictates an awful lot.

I cannot even remember what it was. The software itself was just fine for us. We had ZERO complaints about the software. If I'm not mistaken, I think the software was something Mac himself created or a greatly changed version of another software, but don't quote me on that.

Quote:Full creative control resulted in the "MySpace look" that even some of your most devoted followers didn't particularly care for. A line has to be drawn somewhere. It felt like the Memphis page was one step away from having official "If you don't forward this PM to 10 people in 10 minutes you won't have luck in your love live ever again!!!11 zomg lol!!!11" messages. What you created with full control was also an absolute nightmare to deal with under the hood. Your webpage had worse looking code than something MS Word or MS Frontpage would spit out.

Uh, the reason it looked like a myspace page, as you like to say, is because we had NOWHERE to put our content stuff. We had no choice but to put it "in the way". We have not, nor have we ever, strived to be JUST a messageboard. From day 1, we were meant to be an actual website full of content and everything. We have NEVER had a working portal since we moved here 3 1/2 years ago like you kept telling us we would have. We ALMOST had it, but you couldn't get it to work properly with the invision software. When we moved to phpbb, you said it was integratable into a portal. Well that never happened either. Now we're on this stuff and I have not heard anything about having a portal. And right now it doesn't matter...I can't do anything to our portion of the site anyways since you haven't given me any rights to, which is in complete violation of our agreement upon us moving here.

Quote:Standing up for your fans is admirable, and not why they "hate" you. I think it's more a problem of, with apologies to Red River, the lunatic fringe ruling the roost. Seems the extremist element ... which at best is irrational ... is driving things, and making even usually reasonable posters hostile.

Do you remember what I told you before we moved in? I told you I will be the biggest thorn in your side you will ever have, and you were like "Oh, I can handle it" yadda yadda yadda. Obviously you can't. The problem isn't the "lunatic fringe ruling the roost" it is a control freak who wants everything his way or his way. I am not perfect and have NEVER claimed to be. I won't do the right thing all the time, I'm human. I have an obligation to the fans I represent however, because of you wanting all but total control over everything, I am failing in that obligation. Your defense is "it is good for the whole community". Again, what is good for the community as a whole, may not be good for individual schools in this community. No it is IMPOSSIBLE to please everyone, but it doesn't help to antagonize them either and piss them off just because the "community" has a different stance.

We're not asking to rebuild the Great Wall of China here. We're just asking for control of OUR section of this site. Your defense on that is, basically, "affect one thing, it affects the whole community". YOU wanted everyone to be on "ONE BOARD". You even ran a poll about it on the old software and it was OVERWHELMINGLY against the "ONE BOARD" thing like it is right now, yet you pursued it anyways. Everyone preferred the layout the way it was, in regards to the locations of the boards. What's good for the goose isn't always good for the gander (or whatever that saying is).

I've said my piece (and did it without calling anyone names). Dissect it if you want, but this is all I plan to say on this forum about it because what good will it do? We all have opinions and it's obvious they aren't going to change.

GTS you are great at building this site at what it has become, but when it comes to people skills and professionalism, those are seriously lacking when it comes to dealing with folks with a difference of opinion. As an admin here, you should be well above calling folks names like that no matter the circumstance. As an admin, we are supposed to be held to higher standards than that.

Bartindekalb Wrote:This is, quite possibly, the most retarded conversation I have ever been a part of.

OH THE DRAMA!

(Sorry, ok THIS is the final post I'll make in this thread)

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