Maybe the fb schools wants to change their imagine from a basketball conference to a fb conference. The Big East was created for the only purpose of basketball and nothing else. Even when Miami and VT was there, it still was known as a bb conference and still is. That is not a slam either. The reputation of the Big East is still the same. That fact was proven in the last alignment. Big East had a chance to change that and didnt. Adding to 2 non-fb team, only confirmed that reputation. Based on the new contract, proves this. Most of the income comes from the bb side of things. However, fb seems to be the driving force in athletics.Scheduling is a big issue and not just for the Big East either. The other 5 bcs conferences has more money and can get any school they want by the money they offer. They will always get first choice over the big east. The Big East will have the choice over any non-bcs schools. Not including some of the bad blood between certain schools(memphis and louisville). How many games has the big east lost because of the 12 game added? I have seen on this board where schools has cancelled or buy game out because someone has offered them more money. The fb schools has got to protect their interest reguarding what the bb side of things think about this or not.They have invested to much money in fb to let the bb side control any expansion plans. The non fb schools must realize how much money it takes to field a fb team and the press that it brings to the conference from the beginning of the season and not waiting until bb season rolls around. Without fb, the Big East name would not be heard until the bb season begins.Simply put, the Big East needs the fb schools more than the 16 bb conference. How long will it take for the bb school to recognize this?

Well three out of the four teams who didn't make the Big East tournament were football schools, and Seton Hall was the last left one out. I have the feeling if there is a split Syracuse and UConn won't be leaving Georgetown and Villanova or any of their traditional rivals, who all seem to be playing good on the hardwood. Louisville has always been a basketball power, but they are one of the six outposts in this 16-team giant league. I said the same thing back in the day about Notre Dame and Miami when they were added. If there is a split look for Louisville, USF, Cincinnati, Marquette, DePaul, and Notre Dame to go one way together, maybe even a few different ways, but not with the east coast schools. Notre Dame is not an east coast school, they are a nationwide school, so they have the option to go anywhere they want for basketball.

As long as the NCAA approves another BCS confernce, which will happen by 2010, all you football-heads will be happy.

Yet without the fb schools, the big east would have no present in the beginning of the season. Big east wouldnt be spoken until bb season rolls around either. The press from that is worth more to the big east than just bb by itself. However, I noticed that syracuse was ready to leave this conference when they didnt make the ncaa tournament last yr. I do believe that Syracuse will be the driving force if the fb schools decides to leave. I think that Syracuse being the only fb private school is indeed the deciding factor. Being a founding member aslo, will speak volumes for fb side of the big east. If Syracuse leaves, then so will the rest of the fb schools.

Given that the BE tv contract for both bb and football are substantially better than they are now,those who negotiated these contracts made real progress.I do not think I could have done a better job negotiating the tv deal than they did.Of course there is a tradeoff betwwen days of the week.But having a better tv contract required give and take with espn.

No one is leaving the BE because there are no places for them to go that are BCS.When there are really significant schools like psu,nd,umd and bc available then a split will be a good to think about.The want to be schools of cusa east add nothing of significant value to the BE football schools.

Good point about Syracuse, but they are long time allies with the basketball schools and it is not the original basketball's schools fault the Big East is a monster conference (or maybe it is since they wouldn't allow Penn State in). Would Syracuse do that to them? I hope not but football does seem to make all the decisions...look at my one time round robin ACC, now we have Boston College and Miami (VaTech has always made sense to me). I don't like the 12 team conference, I didn't even like FSU, I would rather have South Carolina back or even ECU for football only.

But it is was it is, all I was trying to do was figure out a way the football conference wasn't disbanded while allowing the traditional basketball rivalries to be played twice a year.

BRING BACK FOOTBALL INDEPENDANTS!!!

esayem Wrote:Good point about Syracuse, but they are long time allies with the basketball schools and it is not the original basketball's schools fault the Big East is a monster conference (or maybe it is since they wouldn't allow Penn State in). Would Syracuse do that to them? I hope not but football does seem to make all the decisions...look at my one time round robin ACC, now we have Boston College and Miami (VaTech has always made sense to me). I don't like the 12 team conference, I didn't even like FSU, I would rather have South Carolina back or even ECU for football only.

But it is was it is, all I was trying to do was figure out a way the football conference wasn't disbanded while allowing the traditional basketball rivalries to be played twice a year.

BRING BACK FOOTBALL INDEPENDANTS!!!

Besides Gunnerfan, you have to be the most down to earth and non delusional Acc fan that I have come across on these internet boards. I enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for the valuable input.

cuseroc Wrote:

esayem Wrote:Good point about Syracuse, but they are long time allies with the basketball schools and it is not the original basketball's schools fault the Big East is a monster conference (or maybe it is since they wouldn't allow Penn State in). Would Syracuse do that to them? I hope not but football does seem to make all the decisions...look at my one time round robin ACC, now we have Boston College and Miami (VaTech has always made sense to me). I don't like the 12 team conference, I didn't even like FSU, I would rather have South Carolina back or even ECU for football only.

But it is was it is, all I was trying to do was figure out a way the football conference wasn't disbanded while allowing the traditional basketball rivalries to be played twice a year.

BRING BACK FOOTBALL INDEPENDANTS!!!

Besides Gunnerfan, you have to be the most down to earth and non delusional Acc fan that I have come across on these internet boards. I enjoy reading your posts. Thanks for the valuable input.

I'll second that and Mongo isn't bad either. A few non-delusional ACC fans are nice to see in the world.

South Carolina would never leave the SEC to return to the ACC for less money and prestige. That would be stupid. But I think they would fit the ACC locality far better than either BC or Miami. Forget about football independents too. Those days are long gone. In this day and age, unless you're ND or a military academy, an independent would find it very hard to get a bowl invite.

you are right there bit... being an Inde is the kiss of death now... ND and the academys can do it but long term every one else needs a conf. Scheduling 12 games is a killer... think of how much BE coaches n Ads....hate trying to do 5... We went thru that here at UCF... U scheduled.. everything u could.. and still had to try to do fill ins over the last 6mos to a year.. to finish out schedule. and when U do finally get in a conf... u have a nightmare of trying to lose all the games over the 4 U now need to have...rather than..the 11 (now 12) U needed as an inde.

tigersharktwo Wrote:Clearly the agendas lie with some board membersThey want a split of the BE.The AD's and presidents of the BE football schools want BCS membership(they have it),very good tv packages(they have it).

Maybe those who want a split want the legitimacy of being an all-sports conference (don't have it), easier scheduling afforded by more conference members (don't have it) and to be rid of non-football parasites (nope - don't have that either).

esayem Wrote:So you are saying it would make football conference games less important because they would not see them in basketball (or other sports) every year? I understand and agree, but I stand by this idea over an actual split. I never want to see Syracuse and Georgetown not play basketball in a season. I still root for Providence to upset UConn. These games to me and many Big East traditionalists are more important than Cincinnati vs. Rutgers, no offense.

Is there a law somewhere that you not allow team from difference conference play each other every year? It has to be one.

Right now a conference member doesn’t everybody in the conference until next year and only against 3 teams, they play twice.

GRIM Avenger, legitimacy is a poor and inaccurate word to describe the BE conference.The REAL parasites are the cusa leftovers who want to split the BE for their benefit.

CatsClaw Wrote:B.)Split into two conferences, one for the non-Division I-A playing basketball schools and the other into a legitimate All-Sports Conference. Keep the 8 teams and add a 9th and possibly a 10th team.

All-Sports

Cincinnati
Connecticut
Louisville
Memphis
Pittsburgh
Rutgers
South Florida
Syracuse
West Virginia

BB Conference

DePaul
Georgetown
Marquette
Notre Dame
Providence
St. John's
Seton Hall
Villanova

Notre Dame wants to remain independent in football. This plan works.

tigersharktwo Wrote:GRIM Avenger, legitimacy is a poor and inaccurate word to describe the BE conference.The REAL parasites are the cusa leftovers who want to split the BE for their benefit.

Pat yourself on the back and insult C-USA all you wish, but The Big East is not as prestigious or affluent as the other 5 BCS conferences, which, you may note, are all-sports conferences. And the "real" parasites are your non-football conference members who benefit from associating with all-sports BE schools which they have little, or nothing, in common with.

GA
Pay no attention to him. He feels nobody etc ND and PSU are worthy. Now we know they are NOT coming and I do believe that whoever we add will benefit from the BCS label as UL,USF and Cincy have already shown.
I think Memphis is the one that currently brings the most to the table but could also see the positives in ECU and UCF. At the end though i think if there is an addition it will be just one.

Grim venger,the only parasites are the invaders from cusa who want to make the BE into a remade cusa.The only difference betweenthe bb schools have with the others schools is there lack of 1A football program.Grim venger you and your buddies love SAMENESS.SAMENESS does not build a good football program.Look at memphis state as an example.

Bull loney I also mentioned umd and bc.Both are clearly superior to memphis state.

Gray Avenger Wrote:

tigersharktwo Wrote:Clearly the agendas lie with some board membersThey want a split of the BE.The AD's and presidents of the BE football schools want BCS membership(they have it),very good tv packages(they have it).

Maybe those who want a split want the legitimacy of being an all-sports conference (don't have it), easier scheduling afforded by more conference members (don't have it) and to be rid of non-football parasites (nope - don't have that either).

Hallelujah, brother!!! Praise the Lord, and pass the ammunition!!!

Maryland and BC are NOT interested. and I think Memphis basketball is BETTER than BC and at least comparable to Marylands.