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RE: Would this be considered a hate crime?
Quote:aren't all crimes basically hateful on some level?
Not all. I think Soph's example of kids defacing a wall is a good example. They aren't necessarily hateful, but their lack of ability to respect property of others doesn't get in their way of being cool, expressing thoughts, whatever. They still committed a crime, but out of a lack of empathy, not hate.

For a more serious crime, we can look at someone killing an intruder after he has been chased off of the premises. That crime may be motivated by fear of him returning, not necessarily hate. And I know people can say well that's not a crime, and I would tend to side with that thought, but at times the government may say that being a vigilante is a crime, I'm not here to debate that.

And I can't say for sure, but there may be people brainwashed enough to detonate a bomb strapped to their body not because they hate they people that they will kill but because they truly believe that it is God's work.

Interesting question, and it seems obviously that all crimes are hateful, but I remain skeptical.
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Quote:No, I don't expect you to "get it", just as I don't expect most people who benefit from privilege to "get it". It takes a lot of work to be able to acknowledge that one benefits from privilege and more work to try to work to change the system.

I hope you aren't saying I was somehow "privileged" because I was white. Before joining the military I worked at a nursery warehouse called BWI (Bunch Wholesale Incorporated) busting my ass for about 15 hours a day slinging 50 Lb bags of fertilizer, 100 Lb sacks of spuds, unloading boxcars FLOORSTACKED with 50 Lb bags of ryegrass seed. Anyone in the Schulenburg, Texarkana, Dallas, Shreveport, Jackson area have probably heard of BWI, Inc. We were black AND white, and you know what? Didn't mean a damn thing. Sophandros, people with your attitude are why it's not going to change any time soon. You expect something just for the sake of your color. I'm not talking about monetary compensation or anything, but you expect some sort of "understanding". Understanding what? That some morons may not like you? That you may be held back at some juncture? Such is life. Get over it. Happens to the best of us. Suck it up and drive the hell on, cause you know what? You aren't going to change anyone like that. They just have to die off. However, with your attitude, and don't take this the wrong way, you are creating a whole new breed. "I" know better, but I'm one person.

Kev, in our society, you benefit, whether consciously or not, from being a white male. That's both White Privilege and Male Privilege. I benefit, whether consciously or not, from being male because of Male Privilege. That's just how society is, and hiding from it, becoming defensive about it, or feeling guilty about it won't help matters.

My attitude, as you put it, is that we need to have more open and honest discussions about race, gender, sexuality, and religion in our society. I want to confront the elephant in the living room. Jesse and Al want to exploit that beast to support their own agendas (which is their wallets).

But back to privilege. What you described is not privilege or lack thereof. Peggy McIntosh had a good write-up on White Privilege, and there have been imitations for other sorts of Privilege in our society: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

Some things may upset you to read, and they may bother you, and I DO know what that's like because I've had to confront similar feelings when I came to grips with how sexist our society is. This is not to make you feel guilty; rather, it's to attempt to provide another way for you to possibly reach understanding.
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RE: Would this be considered a hate crime?
Reading linked story twice (and personally, there's something to be said for me reading anything affiliated with WorldNutDaily)--I couldn't see how this could be considered a hate crime. Should it come out that the accused were some semi-organized group that rallied around anti-White rhetoric or literature, that could certainly change.

Meanwhile, neither the Knox County District Attorney's Office nor its public defender's office believes there is anything to support the notion that Channon Christian or Christian Newsome were targeted because they were white. In fact, John Gill, the quoted rep from the DA's office (from the KnoxNews.com story) was upset that the case was being used as a political football in terms of race.
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BlazerUnit Wrote:Reading linked story twice (and personally, there's something to be said for me reading anything affiliated with WorldNutDaily)--I couldn't see how this could be considered a hate crime. Should it come out that the accused were some semi-organized group that rallied around anti-White rhetoric or literature, that could certainly change.

Was Reginald Denny a victim of a hate crime?
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RebelKev Wrote:
Quote:No, I don't expect you to "get it", just as I don't expect most people who benefit from privilege to "get it". It takes a lot of work to be able to acknowledge that one benefits from privilege and more work to try to work to change the system.

I hope you aren't saying I was somehow "privileged" because I was white. Before joining the military I worked at a nursery warehouse called BWI (Bunch Wholesale Incorporated) busting my ass for about 15 hours a day slinging 50 Lb bags of fertilizer, 100 Lb sacks of spuds, unloading boxcars FLOORSTACKED with 50 Lb bags of ryegrass seed. Anyone in the Schulenburg, Texarkana, Dallas, Shreveport, Jackson area have probably heard of BWI, Inc. We were black AND white, and you know what? Didn't mean a damn thing. Sophandros, people with your attitude are why it's not going to change any time soon. You expect something just for the sake of your color. I'm not talking about monetary compensation or anything, but you expect some sort of "understanding". Understanding what? That some morons may not like you? That you may be held back at some juncture? Such is life. Get over it. Happens to the best of us. Suck it up and drive the hell on, cause you know what? You aren't going to change anyone like that. They just have to die off. However, with your attitude, and don't take this the wrong way, you are creating a whole new breed. "I" know better, but I'm one person.

Kev, in our society, you benefit, whether consciously or not, from being a white male. That's both White Privilege and Male Privilege. I benefit, whether consciously or not, from being male because of Male Privilege. That's just how society is, and hiding from it, becoming defensive about it, or feeling guilty about it won't help matters.

My attitude, as you put it, is that we need to have more open and honest discussions about race, gender, sexuality, and religion in our society. I want to confront the elephant in the living room. Jesse and Al want to exploit that beast to support their own agendas (which is their wallets).

But back to privilege. What you described is not privilege or lack thereof. Peggy McIntosh had a good write-up on White Privilege, and there have been imitations for other sorts of Privilege in our society: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

Some things may upset you to read, and they may bother you, and I DO know what that's like because I've had to confront similar feelings when I came to grips with how sexist our society is. This is not to make you feel guilty; rather, it's to attempt to provide another way for you to possibly reach understanding.

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Would you agree that the idea of privilege is inherent with any majority population and not just whites?? For example as a white male, I represent 5% of the population here on St. Thomas. If I was to apply for a government job or any other job funded by our local government I would have absolutely no chance of getting it. Here, there is a inherent black privilege and more so native St. Thomaian black privilege that is not even extended to black Haitians, Dominicans or other down islanders as they are persona non grata around here.
I don't deny the existence of white privilege in this country but I would invite you to visit any African country and see how much luck you would have of getting a job over a local.
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RE: Would this be considered a hate crime?
BlazerUnit Wrote:Reading linked story twice (and personally, there's something to be said for me reading anything affiliated with WorldNutDaily)--I couldn't see how this could be considered a hate crime. Should it come out that the accused were some semi-organized group that rallied around anti-White rhetoric or literature, that could certainly change.

Meanwhile, neither the Knox County District Attorney's Office nor its public defender's office believes there is anything to support the notion that Channon Christian or Christian Newsome were targeted because they were white. In fact, John Gill, the quoted rep from the DA's office (from the KnoxNews.com story) was upset that the case was being used as a political football in terms of race.

BlazerUnit whats up with that fro and dem duds young man? Whazsupwithit? Is that really what makes you a ladies man?

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RebelKev Wrote:
BlazerUnit Wrote:Reading linked story twice (and personally, there's something to be said for me reading anything affiliated with WorldNutDaily)--I couldn't see how this could be considered a hate crime. Should it come out that the accused were some semi-organized group that rallied around anti-White rhetoric or literature, that could certainly change.

Was Reginald Denny a victim of a hate crime?
Yes, but the media ignores it when it's black against white. When it's white against black, the media goes ballistic and you hear about it for the next 2 months.
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RebelKev Wrote:
Quote:No, I don't expect you to "get it", just as I don't expect most people who benefit from privilege to "get it". It takes a lot of work to be able to acknowledge that one benefits from privilege and more work to try to work to change the system.

I hope you aren't saying I was somehow "privileged" because I was white. Before joining the military I worked at a nursery warehouse called BWI (Bunch Wholesale Incorporated) busting my ass for about 15 hours a day slinging 50 Lb bags of fertilizer, 100 Lb sacks of spuds, unloading boxcars FLOORSTACKED with 50 Lb bags of ryegrass seed. Anyone in the Schulenburg, Texarkana, Dallas, Shreveport, Jackson area have probably heard of BWI, Inc. We were black AND white, and you know what? Didn't mean a damn thing. Sophandros, people with your attitude are why it's not going to change any time soon. You expect something just for the sake of your color. I'm not talking about monetary compensation or anything, but you expect some sort of "understanding". Understanding what? That some morons may not like you? That you may be held back at some juncture? Such is life. Get over it. Happens to the best of us. Suck it up and drive the hell on, cause you know what? You aren't going to change anyone like that. They just have to die off. However, with your attitude, and don't take this the wrong way, you are creating a whole new breed. "I" know better, but I'm one person.

Kev, in our society, you benefit, whether consciously or not, from being a white male. That's both White Privilege and Male Privilege. I benefit, whether consciously or not, from being male because of Male Privilege. That's just how society is, and hiding from it, becoming defensive about it, or feeling guilty about it won't help matters.

My attitude, as you put it, is that we need to have more open and honest discussions about race, gender, sexuality, and religion in our society. I want to confront the elephant in the living room. Jesse and Al want to exploit that beast to support their own agendas (which is their wallets).

But back to privilege. What you described is not privilege or lack thereof. Peggy McIntosh had a good write-up on White Privilege, and there have been imitations for other sorts of Privilege in our society: Unpacking the Invisible Knapsack

Some things may upset you to read, and they may bother you, and I DO know what that's like because I've had to confront similar feelings when I came to grips with how sexist our society is. This is not to make you feel guilty; rather, it's to attempt to provide another way for you to possibly reach understanding.

Soph,
Would you agree that the idea of privilege is inherent with any majority population and not just whites?? For example as a white male, I represent 5% of the population here on St. Thomas. If I was to apply for a government job or any other job funded by our local government I would have absolutely no chance of getting it. Here, there is a inherent black privilege and more so native St. Thomaian black privilege that is not even extended to black Haitians, Dominicans or other down islanders as they are persona non grata around here.
I don't deny the existence of white privilege in this country but I would invite you to visit any African country and see how much luck you would have of getting a job over a local.

Yes, I would. I would also say that it is inherent with the groups that hold the power in that society.

But it goes deeper than just job interviews and the like. Take your example of me going to an African country. Because I am not an African (you'll note how I never use the term African American...), I will be treated differently, both overtly and covertly, by the populace. Hell, I see it here when I deal with some of the Africans here in Atlanta. The worst cab drivers I've dealt with, for example, have been African dudes because they feel that they are superior to those of us who are Americans. I'm not going to go into the entire story right now, but let's just say that I put one of them in his place when his preconceived notion of me was proved to be quite false.
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BlazerUnit Wrote:Reading linked story twice (and personally, there's something to be said for me reading anything affiliated with WorldNutDaily)--I couldn't see how this could be considered a hate crime. Should it come out that the accused were some semi-organized group that rallied around anti-White rhetoric or literature, that could certainly change.

Was Reginald Denny a victim of a hate crime?

Yes, he was. So was any crime directed at non-Blacks during those riots.
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Soph, yo do realize that when you say I benefit from "white privilege" you are essentially saying that I didn't really work for it, it just came to me by proxy, right? I reject the **** out of that notion. I served this country for 8 years. It's what got me where I'm at today. I also never saw being white as a positive in the military. We were ALL equal and this notion you carry on your shoulder only adds to the current problems. Instead of telling people in the inner city, "you can make it if you work hard enough", you use the tired excuse of "if you won't make it, it's because you're black". Tell Farrah Gray that. Tell Christopher Gardner that. Tell the inner-city blacks that are graduates of Augusta's A.R. Johnson and Davison Fine Arts H.S.'s(Magnet) that. Their color didn't make them successful. Their drive and determination did.
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RebelKev Wrote:Soph, yo do realize that when you say I benefit from "white privilege" you are essentially saying that I didn't really work for it, it just came to me by proxy, right? I reject the **** out of that notion. I served this country for 8 years. It's what got me where I'm at today. I also never saw being white as a positive in the military. We were ALL equal and this notion you carry on your shoulder only adds to the current problems. Instead of telling people in the inner city, "you can make it if you work hard enough", you use the tired excuse of "if you won't make it, it's because you're black". Tell Farrah Gray that. Tell Christopher Gardner that. Their color didn't make them successful. Their drive and determination did.

Again, you're showing that you don't understand the concept. No one is saying that you haven't worked for anything. Rather, the concept of privilege implies that there are cultural forces out there that don't impede you as much as they impede me or a woman or a minority woman, and those forces aren't being manipulated by anyone on a conscious level. It just is what it is. I know that I can get an apartment over the phone, for example, but when I show up, people are shocked to see what I look like. That doesn't generally happen to white guys because they sound like they are "supposed to look".

When you walk into a mechanic's shop and a woman walks into a mechanic's shop, guess who they're going to be less likely to pull a fast one over on?

I think that you reject the concept because you're afraid to admit what that says about our society. NOTE: It is NOT a criticism of you. Our society is what it is, and we are working to change it.

Before we go on, have you ever taken the Implicit Association Test? It's very interesting, and has a few versions. Basically, it indicates what we subconsciously associate with "good" and "bad" and shows where our subconscious preferences lie. You can take it here: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ It's an ongoing study, but the results have been rather interesting.

The reason that I bring this up is that you seem to be confusing overt, conscious racism with subconscious, cultural biases. The former are bad, while the latter are, IMO, mostly morally neutral. It's when we acknowledge that these things exist (the latter, that is), is when we can really start to attack the former.

Oh, and by the way (and to conclude a rambling post), you'll note that I provided an example earlier about how we both benefit from Male Privilege. Understand that this is not an indictment of you, but rather an indictment of society and work for change. That's all I'm saying, bro.
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Well, I can only go on personal experience. In the military, color means not a damn thing. When I ETS'd and moved to Atlanta, color meant not a damn thing. A friend of mine, Eric Felder, had f'n dreadlocks, but got a job with Sprint as an NTAC Engineer. Hell, he's the one that tested me before I was hired as an NTAC Engineer. When I came back to Augusta, doing Mach 3 mind you, and started contracting for the DoD, I have still yet to see it. In other words, I have yet to see color factor in to someone's hiring. If you know the job, you're hired. I'm thinking you should probably get out more or maybe move to Augusta. Jackson, however, is still racist as hell because of people that think like you and EZ. (Note, not all your thoughts, just this one)
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RebelKev Wrote:Well, I can only go on personal experience. In the military, color means not a damn thing. When I ETS'd and moved to Atlanta, color meant not a damn thing. A friend of mine, Eric Felder, had f'n dreadlocks, but got a job with Sprint as an NTAC Engineer. Hell, he's the one that tested me before I was hired as an NTAC Engineer. When I came back to Augusta, doing Mach 3 mind you, and started contracting for the DoD, I have still yet to see it. In other words, I have yet to see color factor in to someone's hiring. If you know the job, you're hired. I'm thinking you should probably get out more or maybe move to Augusta. Jackson, however, is still racist as hell because of people that think like you and EZ. (Note, not all your thoughts, just this one)

Again, you don't understand the concept, and that's why there is a disconnect here.

ON A CONSCIOUS LEVEL, color doesn't mean anything. In a perfect world, it never would.

And I'm not talking about hiring practices. Hell, I'll be the first to tell you that color does not and should not be a factor in hiring.

However, I can tell you that color is a factor with the way that people perceive other people, and make assumptions. And these are people who in their lives are NOT racists; rather, they are only reacting based on how society and social norms have trained them.

Shoot, man, I've had to catch myself when I have passed a judgment on a Black dude when I'm commuting to work or in a bar or something. That's just a part of the human condition.

But let me ask you something: Have you ever had someone walk up to you and say that the only reason that you're in a certain position is because of your race? I have, when I was in college. That same kid would not have confronted a white student with that statement, even though there was a pretty good chance that he could have found more kids who were there because of legacy or who had a parent employed by the school than a Black guy (once you take the football and basketball teams out of the equation, obviously) and he didn't confront me with it after we compared college board scores, our high schools, GPAs, etc.
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Sophandros Wrote:However, I can tell you that color is a factor with the way that people perceive other people, and make assumptions. And these are people who in their lives are NOT racists; rather, they are only reacting based on how society and social norms have trained them.

Shoot, man, I've had to catch myself when I have passed a judgment on a Black dude when I'm commuting to work or in a bar or something. That's just a part of the human condition.

Again, why is it "whitey's" fault that black people, who comprise 13% of the nation's population, commit most of the violent crimes in the nation, especially in urban areas? While it always effects everyone, apparently now this is just an "internal" problem and all others that criticize it are racists? You know me. I blame liberals who broke up the black family, which was the strongest years back, by offering entitlement programs. MLK is rolling over in his grave.

Quote:But let me ask you something: Have you ever had someone walk up to you and say that the only reason that you're in a certain position is because of your race? I have, when I was in college. That same kid would not have confronted a white student with that statement, even though there was a pretty good chance that he could have found more kids who were there because of legacy or who had a parent employed by the school than a Black guy (once you take the football and basketball teams out of the equation, obviously) and he didn't confront me with it after we compared college board scores, our high schools, GPAs, etc.

Well, I can't say that I have. Then again, my race wasn't a factor on determining the entrance to college. Look, I'm not the guy that says, "Hey man, I'm not a racist, I have a black friend". No, I have several. As well as Hispanic friends. "Crackers" as well. Kinda comes with the territory with the military. We look out for one another. Our bond is stronger than any of the other bull****.
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BlazerUnit Wrote:Reading linked story twice (and personally, there's something to be said for me reading anything affiliated with WorldNutDaily)--I couldn't see how this could be considered a hate crime. Should it come out that the accused were some semi-organized group that rallied around anti-White rhetoric or literature, that could certainly change.

Meanwhile, neither the Knox County District Attorney's Office nor its public defender's office believes there is anything to support the notion that Channon Christian or Christian Newsome were targeted because they were white. In fact, John Gill, the quoted rep from the DA's office (from the KnoxNews.com story) was upset that the case was being used as a political football in terms of race.


BlazerUnit whats up with that fro and dem duds young man? Whazsupwithit? Is that really what makes you a ladies man?

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Sophandros Wrote:However, I can tell you that color is a factor with the way that people perceive other people, and make assumptions. And these are people who in their lives are NOT racists; rather, they are only reacting based on how society and social norms have trained them.

Shoot, man, I've had to catch myself when I have passed a judgment on a Black dude when I'm commuting to work or in a bar or something. That's just a part of the human condition.

Again, why is it "whitey's" fault that black people, who comprise 13% of the nation's population, commit most of the violent crimes in the nation, especially in urban areas? While it always effects everyone, apparently now this is just an "internal" problem and all others that criticize it are racists? You know me. I blame liberals who broke up the black family, which was the strongest years back, by offering entitlement programs. MLK is rolling over in his grave.

Quote:But let me ask you something: Have you ever had someone walk up to you and say that the only reason that you're in a certain position is because of your race? I have, when I was in college. That same kid would not have confronted a white student with that statement, even though there was a pretty good chance that he could have found more kids who were there because of legacy or who had a parent employed by the school than a Black guy (once you take the football and basketball teams out of the equation, obviously) and he didn't confront me with it after we compared college board scores, our high schools, GPAs, etc.

Well, I can't say that I have. Then again, my race wasn't a factor on determining the entrance to college. Look, I'm not the guy that says, "Hey man, I'm not a racist, I have a black friend". No, I have several. As well as Hispanic friends. "Crackers" as well. Kinda comes with the territory with the military. We look out for one another. Our bond is stronger than any of the other bull****.

Where did I blame "whitey" for crime? In fact, where did I blame "whitey" for anything? All that I said was that our society is one in which people are often prejudged based on bull**** things like color.

And I didn't say anything about anyone being a racist. Again, please try to stay on topic here.

Regarding college admission, my race wasn't a factor in my admission, either. In fact, at most schools it isn't, but that's the false impression that a lot of people have about college admissions.

And it's good that your friend circle is the way that it is. Mine is the same way, for various reasons.

But for some reason the existence of privilege bugs you, even though it's not an indictment of you. Strange.
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RebelKev Wrote:Well, I can only go on personal experience. In the military, color means not a damn thing. When I ETS'd and moved to Atlanta, color meant not a damn thing. A friend of mine, Eric Felder, had f'n dreadlocks, but got a job with Sprint as an NTAC Engineer. Hell, he's the one that tested me before I was hired as an NTAC Engineer. When I came back to Augusta, doing Mach 3 mind you, and started contracting for the DoD, I have still yet to see it. In other words, I have yet to see color factor in to someone's hiring. If you know the job, you're hired. I'm thinking you should probably get out more or maybe move to Augusta. Jackson, however, is still racist as hell because of people that think like you and EZ. (Note, not all your thoughts, just this one)

Again, you don't understand the concept, and that's why there is a disconnect here.

ON A CONSCIOUS LEVEL, color doesn't mean anything. In a perfect world, it never would.

And I'm not talking about hiring practices. Hell, I'll be the first to tell you that color does not and should not be a factor in hiring.

However, I can tell you that color is a factor with the way that people perceive other people, and make assumptions. And these are people who in their lives are NOT racists; rather, they are only reacting based on how society and social norms have trained them.

Shoot, man, I've had to catch myself when I have passed a judgment on a Black dude when I'm commuting to work or in a bar or something. That's just a part of the human condition.

But let me ask you something: Have you ever had someone walk up to you and say that the only reason that you're in a certain position is because of your race? I have, when I was in college. That same kid would not have confronted a white student with that statement, even though there was a pretty good chance that he could have found more kids who were there because of legacy or who had a parent employed by the school than a Black guy (once you take the football and basketball teams out of the equation, obviously) and he didn't confront me with it after we compared college board scores, our high schools, GPAs, etc.
Most whites don't have the guts to tell black guys that, but they say it privately, and in most cases I would probably say it is true. I remember I was at a Chinese buffett here in Ft. Worth about 10 years ago, and some black guy sitting at a table next to me was going on and on about how people are starting to wake up and see that blacks have been denied jobs in higher places, blah blah blah. I just couldn't take it anymore and I turned to him and said, "the reason most black guys get the job is because of affirmative action--not because they are qualified for the job".

He looked at me and said, "What did you say!!??"

I said about 3dB louder, "The reason most black guys get those kinds of jobs is because of affirmative action and not because of they are qualified".

He got up and said, "Well should we all just go back to the plantation then?

I said, "No it should be a level playing field".

He said, "The reason this world is such a screwed up place is because of f**ked up people like you"!!

Then he stromed out. If he would of thrown a pitcher of water on me, I believe I was prepared to respond in kind but fortunately it never came to that. The federal government is on a mega kick to put blacks in fed contrator jobs at Raytheon, General Dynamics, Lockheed Martin, Collins Rockwell, FAA, FCC, etc. There blacks do get the job because of the color of their skin more than their skill set. Blacks get preferential treatment. This is racism and I don't think it is right. But a lot of blacks will tell you it is "payback" for white oppression and bigotry and this and that and blah blah blah, etc. Also, the federal government and the democrats are mistaken that blacks are whites are equal in every category. Blacks consistently score 200 points lower on their SAT scores. We are not idealistically equal in every aspect of life as the feds would try to invent us. This is a huge lie of our generation.
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Quote:However, I can tell you that color is a factor with the way that people perceive other people, and make assumptions. And these are people who in their lives are NOT racists; rather, they are only reacting based on how society and social norms have trained them.

Shoot, man, I've had to catch myself when I have passed a judgment on a Black dude when I'm commuting to work or in a bar or something. That's just a part of the human condition.

This is what I'm referring to. It's no one's fault but the black community that these observations are made. Even Jesse Jackson made a similar claim. Inner-city blacks have gained this reputation all by themselves. Even in Jackson, there are areas that cops will not patrol. You don't see that **** in black areas in Utica, Ms. It's no one's fault but their own and making it out to be "because of someone else", or "Whiteys fault", does nothing to address the issue.
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Quote:However, I can tell you that color is a factor with the way that people perceive other people, and make assumptions. And these are people who in their lives are NOT racists; rather, they are only reacting based on how society and social norms have trained them.

Shoot, man, I've had to catch myself when I have passed a judgment on a Black dude when I'm commuting to work or in a bar or something. That's just a part of the human condition.

This is what I'm referring to. It's no one's fault but the black community that these observations are made. Even Jesse Jackson made a similar claim. Inner-city blacks have gained this reputation all by themselves. Even in Jackson, there are areas that cops will not patrol. You don't see that **** in black areas in Utica, Ms. It's no one's fault but their own and making it out to be "because of someone else", or "Whiteys fault", does nothing to address the issue.

But Kev, the problem is this:

I'm not an inner city Black, and I've been stopped for Driving While Black.

I've been stopped for Walking While Black.

I've had to deal with a lot of other situations because of the color of my skin, like the times when I'm wearing a suit and people still treated me as if I was about to steal something.

Hell, I've had to catch **** from other Black people for years because of where I went to school and how I speak, while at the same time dealing with some truly racist fellow students while in the school.

Those are a few of the things that I'm talking about. I'm not blaming white people for that; actually, I don't blame any particular person or group for anything, which is what I've been trying to get through to you all night. All that I'm asking for is for people to treat me the same as everyone else.

BTW, did you take the IAT yet? It's an interesting study.
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RE: Would this be considered a hate crime?
How do you know you were stopped while driving black? Did the cop issue you a DWB ticket? Hell, I was stopped in Jackson in a black neighborhood, was I DWW?
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