Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:How many points to spend the night in the Lincoln bedroom? Or we have to wait until Hillary is in office?

You'll have to wait on Hillary for that one. It's not an option in the catalog I get every month.

Quote:There is conjecture that they went there to do that, however nothing definitive.

When it comes to something a Republican did...... Niner what kind of definitive proof do you need?


Now before you get all riled up I know I I'm always skeptical when something comes up against a good patriotic hard working Democrat.

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Quote:When it comes to something a Republican did...... Niner what kind of definitive proof do you need?


Now before you get all riled up I know I I'm always skeptical when something comes up against a good patriotic hard working Democrat.

.....and therein lies why you aren't taken seriously.

Machiavelli Wrote:

Quote:There is conjecture that they went there to do that, however nothing definitive.

When it comes to something a Republican did...... Niner what kind of definitive proof do you need?

Something other than conjecture. They were going to his room, though nothing is known as to why. There is conjecture by someone with an axe to grind, but we don't know.

Quote:Now before you get all riled up I know I I'm always skeptical when something comes up against a good patriotic hard working Democrat.

Exactly. If the situation were reversed you'd be looking for more evidence just like me. However if it were a dem, i'd be looking for more evidence as well.

I don't view dems through the prism of good vs. evil. Meaning I don't automatically assume that motives are sinister simply because someone is a dem. I look for more to base my opinion on.

That's the problem with politics today. So many take the tact of, because someone did something I disagree with that their motives are evil and they're a bad person.

"There were no WMD's, so Bush lied. The administration has a wiretap program that doesn't require a judge in some instances, therefore they're wanting to piss on the Bill of Rights and turn this country into a facist state. "

"Obama and Clinton voted against funding the troops, therefore they hate them and are cowards and appeasers." Ted Kennedy left that poor girl behind to drown, therefore he's....wait, bad example.

My first instinct is to give a person the benefit of the doubt.

The CONSTITUTION is not something you give a benefit of the doubt on. Everyone has certain unalienable rights. These rights are self evident. To me, that you give Bush administration certain "liberties" with the constitution speaks volumes.

As to the WMD argument. I was against the doctrine of pre-emption on principal. I don't have a bunch of time today to research the spin room today, but we could look back and see I had this argument back in 2004. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and Cheney tried to link them on numerous occasions.

Machiavelli Wrote:The CONSTITUTION is not something you give a benefit of the doubt on. Everyone has certain unalienable rights. These rights are self evident. To me, that you give Bush administration certain "liberties" with the constitution speaks volumes.

I'm surprised you can hear anything over the shrieks of your rants.

And presidents have always taken "liberties" with the constitution in times of war. Google FDR and internment camps if you don't believe me.

Quote:I don't have a bunch of time today to research the spin room today, but we could look back and see I had this argument back in 2004. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and Cheney tried to link them on numerous occasions.

Thank God for small favors.