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BTW, the only reason I would be bitching about Gore is if he didn't do anything about Iraq. That was one ***** I had about Clinton. Not Kosovo or Bosnia-Herzegovina. My problems lie with the hypocrisy from the left. I don't flip-flop like you Dogger and I don't decide which way we should defend this country by whomever is in office. I see right and wrong....and as of now, I see Iraq as the right course of action, as was Afghanistan.

You ever notice that Iran is surrounded?
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RebelKev Wrote:You ever notice that Iran is surrounded?

Are you saying that the strategy has always been to surround Iran, or at least that it has been part of the strategy? Mind If I split this into a new thread?
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Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:
RebelKev Wrote:You ever notice that Iran is surrounded?

Are you saying that the strategy has always been to surround Iran, or at least that it has been part of the strategy? Mind If I split this into a new thread?

I've always thought this, Iraq is in the perfect strategic location to project change and fight terror in the middle east. I think the terrorist flocking there to cause problems validates that. Before the war, the State Departments official "State sponsors of Terror" were Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria, Al-Qaeda is Sunni Terrorism and the two we've gone into were by in large sunni terrorist., while Iran/Syria are big Shia terror sponsors(hezzbollah).

Iraq has had alot of unintended consequences, but war is never perfect however one observation that I wonder sometimes if it wasn't intentional is the fact we have Shia radicals(al-sadr's thugs) killing Sunni radicals, presumably many would be terrorist? Of course there is plenty of collateral damage within that, but atleast its on their hands and not US hands?

The strategy page has had some interesting stuff on this and related strategy.
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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htterr/...70125.aspx
Bringing democracy to Iraq has forced the Islamic world to confront the terrorism monster they have created. Before Saddam was taken down, the Gulf Arabs depended on Saddam, as loathsome as he was, to keep Iran busy. Since 1979, Shia radicals have been running Iran, and supporting Islamic terrorism. But most Islamic terrorists are Sunnis who, as a matter of pride and principle, despise Shias, and Iranians. But with Saddam gone, the Iranians have gotten more ambitious.
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GGniner Wrote:
Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:[quote="RebelKev"]You ever notice that Iran is surrounded?

Are you saying that the strategy has always been to surround Iran, or at least that it has been part of the strategy? Mind If I split this into a new thread?

I've always thought this, Iraq is in the perfect strategic location to project change and fight terror in the middle east. I think the terrorist flocking there to cause problems validates that. Before the war, the State Departments official "State sponsors of Terror" were Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria, Al-Qaeda is Sunni Terrorism and the two we've gone into were by in large sunni terrorist., while Iran/Syria are big Shia terror sponsors(hezzbollah).

Iraq has had alot of unintended consequences, but war is never perfect however one observation that I wonder sometimes if it wasn't intentional is the fact we have Shia radicals(al-sadr's thugs) killing Sunni radicals, presumably many would be terrorist? Of course there is plenty of collateral damage within that, but atleast its on their hands and not US hands?

The strategy page has had some interesting stuff on this and related strategy.
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http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htterr/...70125.aspx
Bringing democracy to Iraq has forced the Islamic world to confront the terrorism monster they have created. Before Saddam was taken down, the Gulf Arabs depended on Saddam, as loathsome as he was, to keep Iran busy. Since 1979, Shia radicals have been running Iran, and supporting Islamic terrorism. But most Islamic terrorists are Sunnis who, as a matter of pride and principle, despise Shias, and Iranians. But with Saddam gone, the Iranians have gotten more ambitious.
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NIU007 Wrote:Although I was never a proponent of public timetables to get out of Iraq, it kind of makes you wonder. If we pull out, the terrorists will have no one left to fight except each other. Couldn't happen to a nicer group of people.
That is why we have to attack where their funding is coming from. They cant afford to come over here, go to school, and hi-jack airplanes all by theirselves.
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Quote:Iran/Syria are big Shia terror sponsors(hezzbollah).

This is where your typical conservative gets into trouble. When he tries to analyze a situation. Syria is predominantly Sunni you ninny. Syria was lock step with the Baath party. Do us all a favor. Read some books on the area. Friedman's "From Beirut to Jurasalem" would be a good start. Tell some of your friends what you have read. Share your enlightened wisdom with others. Stop painting with a broad brush. The Baath party in bed with Hizbollah. Your confusing Syria with Lebanon.
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Quote:Iran/Syria are big Shia terror sponsors(hezzbollah).

This is where your typical conservative gets into trouble. When he tries to analyze a situation. Syria is predominantly Sunni you ninny. Syria was lock step with the Baath party. Do us all a favor. Read some books on the area. Friedman's "From Beirut to Jurasalem" would be a good start. Tell some of your friends what you have read. Share your enlightened wisdom with others. Stop painting with a broad brush. The Baath party in bed with Hizbollah. Your confusing Syria with Lebanon.
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Well, I split this discussion off. Hope the title makes sense.
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Machiavelli Wrote:
Quote:Iran/Syria are big Shia terror sponsors(hezzbollah).

This is where your typical conservative gets into trouble. When he tries to analyze a situation. Syria is predominantly Sunni you ninny. Syria was lock step with the Baath party. Do us all a favor. Read some books on the area. Friedman's "From Beirut to Jurasalem" would be a good start. Tell some of your friends what you have read. Share your enlightened wisdom with others. Stop painting with a broad brush. The Baath party in bed with Hizbollah. Your confusing Syria with Lebanon.
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the elite minority(i.e. the Rulers), that is oppressing the majority like most dictatorships, is SHIA in Syria and they are in bed with Iran/Hezzbollah(also SHIA). What matters is what the government is doing, not the sheep who have no power.

Hezzbollah(shia) is a syrian creation and tool, paid for by Iran.
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Quote:the elite minority(i.e. the Rulers), that is oppressing the majority like most dictatorships, is SHIA in Syria and they are in bed with Iran/Hezzbollah(also SHIA). What matters is what the government is doing, not the sheep who have no power.

Hezzbollah(shia) is a syrian creation and tool, paid for by Iran.


WOW.............

A simple google search teletubbie.

http://www.iraqinews.com/people_al-assad.shtml

Read the highlight of Al-Baath party. He's the regional secetary of the party. It's secular but it's base is mostly Sunni.


It's Hizbollah (btw) and here is it's history.

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Quote:WOW.............

A simple google search teletubbie.

Ok Rosie, the Syrian baathist party is Shia ruled, unlike saddams party in iraq, they are different. Assad and his ruling party comes from the allawite sect which is a branch of Shiite islam(shia) which is oppressing the 75% sunni population. This is why they are allied with hizzbollah and sponsor terrorism. The State Depts. Site is down right now but all this stuff is on there.

one thing they are united on, whether the shia or Sunni, is the destruction of Israel and their anti-semitism(racism).
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Your pathetic and losing credibility. It's secular and far from Shia.
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http://www.cfr.org/publication/9085/syrias_leaders.html

[quote]The Assad family is part of the minority Alawite sect, a Shiite Muslim faction that
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Color by numbers...............


What does secular mean? Where's the Sunni led insurgency being supplied from?
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Mea Maxima Culpa.............................


http://www.answers.com/topic/hezbollah


This article states that Hizbollah does recieve support from Syria, but I guess only from the 90's on. What a screwed up area. Other interesting ponits from the article. Only four countries list Hizbollah as a terrorist organization. Hizbollah condemned the Al-Quadea 9-11 attacks on the civillian WTC. But remained neutral on the pentagon attack. They are three conflicting views on the origin of Hizbollah. The flow chart on their organization was interesting to me. Sudan, Egypt, and Saudi Arabia (which I suspected) have been very critical of Hizbollah in the past.


So GG it is what it is. I wouldn't have thought Syria was a close to Hizbollah as it obviously is. I was under the assumption that Syria is funding the Sunni Al-Quadea faction while Iran was funding the Al-Sadr Shia side and we were caught in the middle playing referee. I still think by a large degree that that this is the case but obviously Syria is involved with both. How freakin weird. So Saudi Arabia is funneling money through Syria to fund the Anbar insurgency. UUUGGGHHHHHH!!!!
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Machiavelli Wrote:Color by numbers...............


What does secular mean? Where's the Sunni led insurgency being supplied from?

I don't think there is any real "secular" or "moderate" power in the middle east right now, you always hear that the Fatah party is "moderate" or "secular" but they are hardly that, they've recently called for attacks on Israel

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?...tacks&only

check that out, there is an enemy within and its the media.

until some of those islamic nations start recognizing Israel as a Nation, which none do, I don't consider any of them as "moderate".
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throw a far-right idea out there, i don't agree with this but curious as to how muslims would react.......this is something that will never be done but never the less....

If things in the ME get bad enough, what happens if we do "operation sand to glass", except not turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot , just Mecca? Would/could there be a muslim religion without mecca? sure short term things may get rough, but long term?


eh, the mullah's would probably be out the next day with a new 'interpretation' of the Koran claiming it was predicted by Muhammed himself. and a new direction for them to pray towards 5 times a day........
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GGniner Wrote:throw a far-right idea out there, i don't agree with this but curious as to how muslims would react.......this is something that will never be done but never the less....

If things in the ME get bad enough, what happens if we do "operation sand to glass", except not turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot , just Mecca? Would/could there be a muslim religion without mecca? sure short term things may get rough, but long term?


eh, the mullah's would probably be out the next day with a new 'interpretation' of the Koran claiming it was predicted by Muhammed himself. and a new direction for them to pray towards 5 times a day........

Haven't been on here in a while, but I'm glad to see I returned to see GG completely jump the shark.

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GGniner Wrote:If things in the ME get bad enough, what happens if we do "operation sand to glass", except not turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot , just Mecca? Would/could there be a muslim religion without mecca? sure short term things may get rough, but long term?

Did tearing down the temple in Jerusalem stop the Jewish religion?
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Bourgeois_Rage Wrote:
GGniner Wrote:If things in the ME get bad enough, what happens if we do "operation sand to glass", except not turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot , just Mecca? Would/could there be a muslim religion without mecca? sure short term things may get rough, but long term?

Did tearing down the temple in Jerusalem stop the Jewish religion?

good point, but I'm not so sure Islam is different in regards to Mecca?

My gf is in her last semester of law school and writing a paper on what we'd do if the terrorist set off a bunch of nukes inside the US, which there are FBI reports claiming they are capable of doing. She's basing it on the internment of the japs and legality there, pretty interesting. It all got me thinking how we'd respond to a doomsday scenario, which isn't as far fetched as it sounds I've come to find out. The State Dept. even issued a warning the other day about nucleaur terrorism.
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