GGniner Wrote:? you just proved my point moron.

compare that to the lockstep voting of the south today.

Umm... you said that the South was 100% Democratic until the party "went extreme left"

My position is that it was Kennedy-Johnson's support for civil rights legislation which lost the deep south for the Democrats.

The Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964.

I showed you maps that showed the elections before and after the civil rights legislation. The change is clear, pivoting around 1964. Months after the Civil Rights Act, the Deep South went for Goldwater.

Unless you consider the Civil Rights Act "extreme left" its hard for your position to find support in the historical record. It did not take "a younger generation of Republicans moving south" for the Republicans to "make gains"...

You're entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Quote:I see you can not refute the racist dems such as Al Gore Sr. and Robert Byrd remained Democrats for the rest of their lives. I'm shocked! /sarc

Sure, many remained in the democratic party because they didn't want to lose their seniority on committees. The rest, like Byrd, grew to change their views. Byrd voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1968.

The point is, in the early 1960's, the Democratic Party as a whole took a decidedly pro-civil rights track, and African-American support for the party has a lot more to do with that than being "bought by the Great Society programs"

Quote:also, Hillary Clinton was a Goldwater Supporter at one time. in your black and white literal view of the world that makes her a racist.

Hillary Clinton sickens me.

RebelKev Wrote:However, I think some of you Republicans are dead wrong on this being "votes for Dems". I know many Hispanic Republicans or Conservatives. Many. The military is full of Hispanics that are great troops. Here's a deal, why don't we decrease the number of Middle-Easterners into this country, take the number decreased, and add that to the number of Hispanics allowed? Game? I damn sure know I am.

Wow. I actually agree with you on something.

Regarding the votes for Dems, I seem to recall the Hispanics being about 75% Democrats. Though I thought Hispanics tended to be more Catholic, who would more likely vote Repub based on the abortion issue. Haven't seen any numbers on this lately though.

In one straw man breath...

OUGwave Wrote:Remember, the national Democratic party did not control the south. Those were Democrats in name only. They even split from the party and ran their own ticket in 1948. Strom Thurmond was at the top of that ticket. He was welcomed with open arms into the Republican party.

Yes, "Democrats" voted against their Democratic President on civil rights legislation. Johnson signed that legislation knowing it was going to be the end of the Democratic party in the South for generations. And it was. Those "Democrats" fled to the modern Republican party.

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and then we get this from same straw man after pointing out the "dixiecrats" remained Dem by in large.

Quote:Sure, many remained in the democratic party because they didn't want to lose their seniority on committees. The rest, like Byrd, grew to change their views. Byrd voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1968.

Republicans supported the civil rights act in greater percentage than Dems in 1964. so why would racist like Byrd or Al Gore Sr. or Bill Clinton's mentor want to change parties.

and what about the 1976 Election? in 1976, 12 years AFTER the Civil Rights Act, Democrat Jimmy Carter solidly carried the South(More so than either the Dem or Rep carried the South in the elections you cite!).

Quote:Unless you consider the Civil Rights Act "extreme left" its hard for your position to find support in the historical record. It did not take "a younger generation of Republicans moving south" for the Republicans to "make gains"...

The reason the Democrats lost the South since then is because they became hostile to gun rights, pro-lifers, military, Christians, and a host of other reasons that have NOTHING to do with slavery, lynching or Civil Rights act, but were wrongly associated with these things by the Democrats. It wasn't until Reagan that voters in the South actually started registering republican, many still haven't.

Quote:You're entitled to your own opinion, you are not entitled to your own facts.

Nor are you.