RebelKev Wrote:

Brookes Owl Wrote:

Endzone2 Wrote:So when the ACLU goes on a tear to remove every last vestige of Christian symbol, thought, word or deed from the public, they aren't acting as bigots?

You don't actually believe that, do you?
Edit: A link, just in case you do.

I do, and the ACLU is a Communist organization.

Read the link. Specific examples of the ACLU defending the rights of Christians, and an excellent general description of why it exists. An excerpt:

Quote:As part of our justice mission, we work hard to protect the rights of free religious expression for all people, including Christians. For example, we recently defended the First Amendment rights of a Baptist minister to preach his message on public streets in southern Indiana. The ACLU intervened on behalf of a Christian valedictorian in a Michigan high school, which agreed to stop censoring religious yearbook entries, and supported the rights of Iowa students to distribute Christian literature at their school.

Brookes Owl Wrote:Read the link. Specific examples of the ACLU defending the rights of Christians, and an excellent general description of why it exists.

Well, if they were too blatant, even liberals would be able to get it. It's kinda like the method to boiling a frog.

RebelKev Wrote:

Brookes Owl Wrote:Read the link. Specific examples of the ACLU defending the rights of Christians, and an excellent general description of why it exists.

Well, if they were too blatant, even liberals would be able to get it. It's kinda like the method to boiling a frog.

Right. Lull 'em to sleep by helping out that preacher. Then BAM; slip In God We Trust to the edge of the new coins. lmfao

Brookes Owl Wrote:Right. Lull 'em to sleep by helping out that preacher. Then BAM; slip In God We Trust to the edge of the new coins. lmfao

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

RebelKev Wrote:

Brookes Owl Wrote:Right. Lull 'em to sleep by helping out that preacher. Then BAM; slip In God We Trust to the edge of the new coins. lmfao

I wouldn't expect you to understand.

Because I just defended the ACLU? Don't patronize me, Kev; make your point. I don't agree BY A LONG SHOT with everything the ACLU fights for. But Endzone made a very specific accusation (that you agreed with) and I provided concrete examples that disproved his claim. Do I think the ACLU goes too far? You bet. Do they also help people who need it? Yep. The fact that they were founded by a communist doesn't diminish that fact.

Brookes Owl Wrote:Because I just defended the ACLU? Don't patronize me, Kev; make your point. I don't agree BY A LONG SHOT with everything the ACLU fights for. But Endzone made a very specific accusation (that you agreed with) and I provided concrete examples that disproved his claim. Do I think the ACLU goes too far? You bet. Do they also help people who need it? Yep. The fact that they were founded by a communist doesn't diminish that fact.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. As for me, I won't let that one nut the squirrel found negate every thing else they have done/are doing to destroy this nation. I also won't let the fact that they helped Rush Limbaugh cloud my judgment.

They have actively worked to bring this country down. They have actively worked to turn this country into a Socialist country. I don't agree with EndZone on MANY things, and do my damnedest to find reasons not to agree with him, but if I truly believe something he says, I have no choice but to speak my mind on the situation.

Keep in mind, if you search this with my name you will find that I have been saying this WAYYYYY before there ever was a poster named EndZone.

RebelKev Wrote:

Brookes Owl Wrote:Because I just defended the ACLU? Don't patronize me, Kev; make your point. I don't agree BY A LONG SHOT with everything the ACLU fights for. But Endzone made a very specific accusation (that you agreed with) and I provided concrete examples that disproved his claim. Do I think the ACLU goes too far? You bet. Do they also help people who need it? Yep. The fact that they were founded by a communist doesn't diminish that fact.

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree. As for me, I won't let that one nut the squirrel found negate every thing else they have done/are doing to destroy this nation. I also won't let the fact that they helped Rush Limbaugh cloud my judgment.

They have actively worked to bring this country down. They have actively worked to turn this country into a Socialist country. I don't agree with EndZone on MANY things, and do my damnedest to find reasons not to agree with him, but if I truly believe something he says, I have no choice but to speak my mind on the situation.

Keep in mind, if you search this with my name you will find that I have been saying this WAYYYYY before there ever was a poster named EndZone.

OK by me; I appreciate your points.

Maybe there is hope for us yet*:

http://duggmirror.com/politics/Atheists_...ncreasing/


* Not necessarily in becoming atheist, but in believing evolution, and backing away from this extreme religious precipice the "religious right" has been running towards like a freight train.

I'm a little stunned to see just how low the number of religious people is in Western Europe, and just how fast that same group has grown in the US (at least in the young age group). In case you're wondering, yes, I fall smack dab in the middle of what he calls "Generation Next".

But the most stunning of all, to me, was that Italy... perhaps the "holiest" of all places in the world except Jerusalem... has a significantly lower number of religious people than the US.

Quote:Overall, the US looks a lot like Western Europe 30 or 40 years ago. At that time most Europeans still believed in a god, but younger generations were more atheist and agnostic than their elders. That trend has continued with religion steadily declining, generation by generation.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:Maybe there is hope for us yet*:

http://duggmirror.com/politics/Atheists_...ncreasing/


* Not necessarily in becoming atheist, but in believing evolution, and backing away from this extreme religious precipice the "religious right" has been running towards like a freight train.

I'm a little stunned to see just how low the number of religious people is in Western Europe, and just how fast that same group has grown in the US (at least in the young age group). In case you're wondering, yes, I fall smack dab in the middle of what he calls "Generation Next".

But the most stunning of all, to me, was that Italy... perhaps the "holiest" of all places in the world except Jerusalem... has a significantly lower number of religious people than the US.

.....and you think atheists are incapable of malice and that they don't have an agenda. lmfao

Um, ok GTS.

RebelKev Wrote:.....and you think atheists are incapable of malice and that they don't have an agenda. lmfao

Um, ok GTS.

Show me where I said that.

georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:

RebelKev Wrote:.....and you think atheists are incapable of malice and that they don't have an agenda. lmfao

Um, ok GTS.

Show me where I said that.

"Maybe there is hope for us yet*:

http://duggmirror.com/politics/Atheists_...ncreasing/ "


Maybe it's just me, but you seem to think the problems in this country lie at the feet of Christians, or religious people in general.

RebelKev Wrote:"Maybe there is hope for us yet*:

http://duggmirror.com/politics/Atheists_...ncreasing/ "


Maybe it's just me, but you seem to think the problems in this country lie at the feet of Christians, or religious people in general.

I didn't say all the problems in this country are the result of Christians, or religious people in general.... but they do have more than their fair share. Frankly the #1 culprit in this country is corporations who have sufficient power and funds to buy Congress and thus make their own laws. I could also accept GWBush as the #1 problem in this country right now.

I support the ACLU. I've seen both sides of the argument that the ACLU is alternately protecting citizens' freedoms and destroying America. I've found that the anti-ACLU side reeks of logical fallacies (ex. The ACLU defended NAMBLA, thus they must like the rape of little boys) and much of the reasoning seems like a conspiracy theory.

I think the ACLU does a nice job of protecting the freedoms of Americans, and I disagree with what they are doing on occasion, but they have a good mission. Also, you can't hang an entire organization because of a few people in it. That would be like me saying all Christians are evil because some preach hatred.