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Liquid Karma
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One could argue that, geographically speaking, hell is the southern part of heaven.
03-11-2002 04:55 PM
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Post: #22
 
Welcome DeacHead!
03-11-2002 05:17 PM
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nate jonesacc
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Post: #23
 
LK, Pac 10 whines too much about East Coast bias. Honestly, if they deserved it, they would get the PR that the East Coast gets. If a Pac 10 team wins it this year, they will get some PR. As of now, with the exception of Arizona, the last 13 or 14 NCAA champions have been more East than West. That stat came from the top of my head, so I may be wrong on that.
03-11-2002 05:24 PM
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Liquid Karma
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Ahhh, the ignorance of youth.

Son [pardon my condescension], you have some things to learn about how the world works.

Part of the reason teams from the west coast don't get the attention from the media back east has to do with these things called time zones. The Pac10 games are never on in prime time and thus are rarely seen by anyone east of the Rockies.

When you combine that with the fact that roughly 3/4 of the national media is located in the 2 easternmost time zones you get a widespread lack of coverage which leads to ignorant fans who don't know anything about hoops west of the MIssissippi.

The Pac 10 and other western conferences have proven annually in the tournament that perception is NOT reality. Granted, they aren't dropping a team in the final four every season like the ACC has(thanks in large part to Duke's dominant run), but they are putting 3 to 4 teams in the sweet 16 on an annual basis. Only 4 teams a year are able to lay claim to being a final four participant, so it's awefully stupid to measure the success of a conference on the national stage based on how many teams they put in the last weekend of the season.

I will be back later tonight to continue your education.
03-11-2002 05:30 PM
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JD Heel
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Enjoy yourselves this year, boys... next year, the whuppins shall return!

-JD
03-11-2002 05:33 PM
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nate jonesacc
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My point was, and still is, that ESPN would focus on the West Coast MUCH more if they could get some FF teams and some Championships. I'm not talking about showing games as much as the how the whole network is oriented. "Outside the Lines" and "The Life" are two recent examples. Both were based on Duke. They could have been based on Stanford or Arizona, but they just aren't putting out the numbers that a Duke/Maryland/North Carolina threesome is. Excluding this year, UK, NC and Duke have been DOMINANT in the past 11 years.
03-11-2002 05:47 PM
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I love Whiteville! It's a great small town. It's 40 minutes from Myrtle Beach and 50 minutes from Wilmington (one of the nicest towns in the South). You've also got Fayetteville about an hour away and numerous beaches within an hour away.

The surrounding areas suck though. I know great people who live in Columbus County that dont live in Whiteville...but Chadbourn, Clarkton, Hallsboro, Fair Bluff, Tabory City, etc.. are pretty much dismal.

I dont plan on living in Whiteville when I get older, because I really like big cities and like to be in the middle of things...but Whiteville is a great small town. But I understand...if you lived in Columbus County and you didn't live in Whiteville, there was alway an inferiority complex! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
03-11-2002 05:59 PM
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Big Pimpin Deac
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JD Heel:
Enjoy yourselves this year, boys... next year, the whuppins shall return!

-JD</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Which sport are we talking about JD? You lose half your team in football and your two best players in basketball. Oh, I forgot. Carolina is a women's soccer school. In that case, you're right.
03-12-2002 09:04 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by nate jonesacc:
My point was, and still is, that ESPN would focus on the West Coast MUCH more if they could get some FF teams and some Championships. I'm not talking about showing games as much as the how the whole network is oriented. "Outside the Lines" and "The Life" are two recent examples. Both were based on Duke. They could have been based on Stanford or Arizona, but they just aren't putting out the numbers that a Duke/Maryland/North Carolina threesome is. Excluding this year, UK, NC and Duke have been DOMINANT in the past 11 years.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">ESPN does not carry any Pac-10 games. If they did ESPN would pay a lot more attention to the Pac-10 teams. Why would ESPN hype a conference that is rarely on its station? You don't see Fox hyping the AFC or CBS hyping the NFC.

Also, I have yet to hear anyone in the Pac-10 complain about a lack of respect this season. They sent 6 of its 10 teams to the dance for crying out loud.

The time zone issue is a huge factor. Most games in the Pac-10 don't start until 10pm and fox sports south doesn't even air all of the games. Conferences on ESPN do not have this problem Take a look at Casey Jacobsen, he was lighting the Pac-10 up this season and very few people have even seen him play.

The Pac-10 as a confernce has been very successful over the past seven years in the NCAA tournament. Since 95, there has been 7 teams from the ACC, 6 from the SEC, 6 from the Big 10, 4 from the Pac-10, 2 from the Big East, and 1 from the Big 12 in the final four. Two of those Pac-10 teams were champions, which is equal or more than any other confernce. By the way, out of the seven final four teams from the ACC, UNC made up four of them.

For someone to say the Pac-10 does not produce final four teams and does not produce champions is ridiculous.
03-13-2002 03:55 PM
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JD Heel
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Post: #30
 
Big Pimpin,

Talkin' about both football and basketball.

The Heels are losing a lot of guys, but we've got a decent class coming in, and we still have most of the same guys on offense (except for the QB, where we could be better). Any defense we field next year should be able to keep y'all under 32, though. Oh, and need I remind you that we've won six straight at Groves Stadium....

In basketball, you are losing 6 players -- including your best player and 4 of your top 5 scorers. You're getting a good freshman in Eric Williams, but your class is nowhere near Carolina's. I think Howard is going to be a money player for you next year... but hopefully we should have quite a few in Jawad, Felton, May, McCants, etc.

I'm confident about my chances, but I guess we'll see you on the field (and the court).

-JD
03-13-2002 05:33 PM
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Liquid Karma
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How is a defense losing most of their starters going to be BETTER next year and prevent us from dropping another 32 on you?

And as far as recruiting classes go...

Your team is more than a good recruiting class away from competing with the middle teams in this conference again. You may be able to put a bandaid on for one season with Felton and achieve mediocrity, but the problems with that team are more deeply rooted in such things as bad coaching.
03-13-2002 05:40 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Liquid Karma:
32-31.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">17-14
03-13-2002 06:55 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Upper Deck Chevy:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Liquid Karma:
32-31.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">17-14</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">82-81

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03-13-2002 07:03 PM
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JD Heel
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Post: #34
 
LK,

The 32 that Wake dropped on us this past year was an aberration -- you saw a total defensive collapse like you will never see again. Duke's defense could have played Wake better than we did in that second half (and lo and behold, I think they did).

Remember that this is the same unit that held FSU to 9 points and Clemson to 3 points. When they showed up, they were awesome. They obviously didn't show up against Wake in the second half. I'm not blaming that solely on them, because Wake had a lot to do with that. But don't be fooled into believing that Wake dominated that game -- they came back with a monster effort and still almost lost on a field goal that we should have had at the end (the attempt, I mean).

Just because we lose a lot of guys doesn't mean our defense will be lacking. We have an experienced secondary, and we have some nice D-line guys with some potential. Linebacker is a real ?, but I think we'll be fine there.

As for basketball, let me just say that you will be (not so pleasantly) surprised with what you see out of Carolina next year. This "bandaid" you speak of will actually be one of the best point guards in that nation. And the "bad coaching" you talk about -- and I assume you are referring specifically to last year's AP coach of the year -- will implement what he's learned from a great season and a putrid one and turn out the best coaching effort of his short career.

-JD

<small>[ March 14, 2002, 03:10 AM: Message edited by: JD Heel ]</small>
03-14-2002 03:06 AM
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Big Pimpin Deac
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I love how you Heels lose a player the caliber of Durant and then automatically say that his replacement is better. That is kind of like the kid that brags to all of his buddies about the motorcycle he is going to get for Christmas. Then, when he doesn't get it, he says that he really wanted a red sweater more than the motorcycle. Oh, and need I remind you the we have pasted your powder blue candy asses in every sport this year, so don't give me any **** about streaks in Groves Stadium. We have our own little streak going in Kenan. Now to basketball, remember that Felton will not be in Chapel Hill long enough to even learn where the Bell Tower is, so enjoy his stay. You will also still have Doh next year. I know it's a tough time now for you Heels and you're trying to grasp for anything positive, but don't think that things will all of a sudden get better next year.
03-14-2002 08:54 AM
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JD Heel - I am willing to make a wager that we beat you guys in at least 2/3 of the regular season matchups we have with you next year.
03-14-2002 09:35 AM
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JD Heel
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First of all, does two games count as a "streak?" Compared to a number like six, I mean....

Check what I said on Stephens -- I said he could be better. How is that "automatically" saying that Stephens is better? Of course nobody knows how good Stephens is going to be. He was a much higher-rated recruit coming out of high school than Durant, but then we all know how high Curry was rated. I am basing my optimism on reports about how Stephens shredded our first-team defense (including Peppers, Sims, etc.) with the scout team offense last year in practice. That's impressive no matter how you slice it. Those scrimmages had the coaching staff so high on Stephens that many had tabbed him the starter over Durant even if he stayed here. I realize that's still not enough to tell what kind of game player Stephens will be, so we'll all just have to wait and see on that.

Somehow, it seems to me that you think any other coach could walk into Matt Doherty's situation this year and pull out a NCAA tournament bid. I agree that Matt made a lot of mistakes this year, and that we could have won a few more games. But, we had glaring weaknesses -- mainly, no point guard and no go-to player. What we had this past year was a bunch of role players. Players like Lang and Capel are much more effective when the defense is focused on other guys and forgets about them. We had nobody to step up for us when we needed big shots. No amount of coaching could make up for that.

Next year, we are bringing in more speed and athleticism (Lang and Capel are the epitome of "slow"). That should give us more options on defense, more than anything. Opposing teams shredded our defense this year because we couldn't keep up with them off the dribble. Watching Boone or anyone else try to guard Jason Williams made me cringe.

Plus, the offense should have more weapons -- guys that are used to scoring 40+ at times in high school. Felton and McCants have both proven that they are willing to step up for their respective teams and take the big shots when the game is on the line. They are both winners, and they will bring a winning attitude to this team (which we sorely need). Also, I'm excited about the prospects of Sean May, who I see as a Brand/Boozer type that could dominate in the paint. And, I look for Jawad to have a breakout year next year.

We could be infinitely better next year, or we could be marginally better -- who knows. All I know is that we will be better, and that's what has me the most excited about next season.

-JD
03-14-2002 10:08 AM
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Please don't cite the high school stats of a player playing in class 1A in South Carolina. Christ, I could drop 40 in a game against the competition he plays against. I'm not saying he isn't a great player, because he has shown so at summer camps and such. However, talking about Felton scoring 40 on the lowest level of basketball competition in the state is plain stupid.
03-14-2002 10:16 AM
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Post: #39
 
It's a great day in the neighborhood when a Pepperdine thread turns into a Deacon/Hole flamefest! You know what they say. The more things change, the more they stay the same!
03-14-2002 10:44 AM
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Call me crazy, but I think 45 points against any competition -- particularly in a state championship game -- is quite an accomplishment. When was the last time you "dropped" 45 on someone in a game?

Does 38 points in an all-star tournament ( <a href="http://www.bobgibbons.net/secure/NewsPub/News/Stories/2001/07/31/99661100912.html" target="_blank">http://www.bobgibbons.net/secure/NewsPub/News/Stories/2001/07/31/99661100912.html</a> ) sound better to you?

He doesn't always score the most points in a game, but the fact that his team usually wins speaks volumes to me. And, I think he's proven that he can score at any level.

-JD

<small>[ March 14, 2002, 11:13 AM: Message edited by: JD Heel ]</small>
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